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Rumour thread (SPOILERS - ALLEGED LEAKS)

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WindBlast

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Everyone, thank you so much for the clarification. I'm going to reserve my judgment until the full dex is up.
 

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That's such an alarmist analysis for Freeze Dry. Dragons have way more stacked up against it this generation (a new SE, an immunity, some weird mist thing), yet no one seems ready to retire them yet.

Because there hasn't been anything that really sticks out and makes them seem less impressive. Fairies didn't give too many options that wowed and the weird mist thing seems to have too many drawbacks and if it's a weather condition, is easily circumvented.

I haven't been able to track all the new info, so I'm sorry if this has been asked before, but how do we know that there are only 69 new pokemon while there are still 30 empty spaces in the dex? Any clarification would be highly appreciated.

Everyone's assuming that because Chespin is #650 and Zygarde is #719 that the National dex can't pull a Sinnoh dex in Platinum (AKA having regular Pokemon AFTER the legendaries, with more legendaries to follow) Victini already broke the mold and we've had countless other examples of regular 'mons and other legendaries being sprinkled in weird places at the end of a regional dex (Dragonite +Tyranitar lines, Phione, Victini, etc.) That being said, I don't think we're getting anymore non-DLC event Pokemon, besides one more regular 'mon to meet the 70 new Pokemon. And that'll most likely be the Ground/Fairy everyone's been looking for. (The Mew of this generation will probably be DLC like Mew, Celebi, Jirachi, Shaymin and Victini were before it...)

Also, could the OP get updated with every Kalos-mon's National dex #, please?

Except it's the national dex that has the full listing, and no non-legendary Pokémon follow the mascots in their respective generation. Sinnoh didn't have any normal Pokémon after them, it was Cresselia and the events. Same with Gen 1, 2, 3 and 5. Platinum is also a regional dex, not a national one, and Victini has constantly been proven to be the exception, and is a legendary itself.
 
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I haven't been able to track all the new info, so I'm sorry if this has been asked before, but how do we know that there are only 69 new pokemon while there are still 30 empty spaces in the dex? Any clarification would be highly appreciated.

Everyone's assuming that because Chespin is #650 and Zygarde is #719 that the National dex can't pull a Sinnoh dex in Platinum (AKA having regular Pokemon AFTER the legendaries, with more legendaries to follow) Victini already broke the mold and we've had countless other examples of regular 'mons and other legendaries being sprinkled in weird places at the end of a regional dex (Dragonite +Tyranitar lines, Phione, Victini, etc.) That being said, I don't think we're getting anymore non-DLC event Pokemon, besides one more regular 'mon to meet the 70 new Pokemon. And that'll most likely be the Ground/Fairy everyone's been looking for. (The Mew of this generation will probably be DLC like Mew, Celebi, Jirachi, Shaymin and Victini were before it...)

Also, could the OP get updated with every Kalos-mon's National dex #, please?

They will wait for fans reactions. We would never get Dusknoir and Gliscor without it.

Who said that there will be DLC anyway? No one confirms this yet from what I heard all the way!

Gen. I DLC:
Mew

Gen. II DLC:
Celebi

Gen. III DLC:
Deoxys
Jirachi
Ho-Oh
Lugia
Mew

Gen. IV DLC:
Darkrai
Shaymin
Arceus

Gen. V DLC:
Keldeo
Meloetta
Genesect
Victini

To think generation 6 won't have DLC when it's an integral part of "catching them all" is fine, but there most likely will be at least two or three DLC 'mons...
 

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Alright all of this seems legit but we should wait for release to fully confirm (or deny some of) these leaks.
 

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They are part of the Platinum Expansion. Pretty sure they were only added to the game after an update.

Wut? They both were in DP from the beginning, but getting a Gligar or Dusclops to evolve required RSE.
 

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If they are basing the legends on Nordic mythos, then by all means an ice wolf is needed. Fenrir, anyone?
 

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Anyone else noticed that if we get a Dragon/Steel pokemon it will have two Weakness (Ground and Fighting), 4 Normal Damages (Fairy, Fire, Ice and Dragon) and 12 Resistances? That ignoring it could have levitate being immune to Ground. It would be OP, now i know why it won't happen.

Both Steel/Fairy and Steel/Flying are better defensively then Steel/Dragon. And we already have all three.
 

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Anyone else noticed that if we get a Dragon/Steel pokemon it will have two Weakness (Ground and Fighting), 4 Normal Damages (Fairy, Fire, Ice and Dragon) and 12 Resistances? That ignoring it could have levitate being immune to Ground. It would be OP, now i know why it won't happen.

Both Steel/Fairy and Steel/Flying are better defensively then Steel/Dragon. And we already have all three.

But you can't compare them offensively. Dragon are the best offensive type.
 

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Fenrir is a great idea for a Pokemon. And it makes sense, at least to me. I'm not familiar with many Nordic myths, but I am familiar with Fenrir's legend and whatnot. If they've based the legendaries of this gen after such myths, then I would like to see more along those lines, even if they're just commonplace Pokemon. I do like mythology, but never got a chance to study it, so it would be cool to see other Pokemon (namely the ice wolf) based off of more of these legends.

But anyway, I do hope they pull a Platinum stunt if the remaining spaces in the dex are not-so-golden oldies, since I do feel we've been fairly shortchanged with the new Mons. So I'm still hoping that the missing spaces are newbies, and that the current national dex number isn't totally accurate (wishful thinking, I know, but I can dream, right?).
 

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Can anyone help me with the image where the Water Elite FOur Member is shown in full, not only its face, like the one I have as my avatar?
 

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Anyone else noticed that if we get a Dragon/Steel pokemon it will have two Weakness (Ground and Fighting), 4 Normal Damages (Fairy, Fire, Ice and Dragon) and 12 Resistances? That ignoring it could have levitate being immune to Ground. It would be OP, now i know why it won't happen.

Both Steel/Fairy and Steel/Flying are better defensively then Steel/Dragon. And we already have all three.

But you can't compare them offensively. Dragon are the best offensive type.

Not any more. (And that was probably fighting. There were just more powerfully designed Dragon Pokemon.)

They got put down hard by Fairy. Neither Flying nor Fairy have an immunity stopping them. (Of course, most Fairy Pokemon look like they will suck competitively this Gen. But that's not commenting on the type itself.)

Both Steel/Fairy and Steel/Flying can hit a total of 6 types with Super Effective STABS. Dragon can only hit 4.
 

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I don't understand the sentiment that it's better for Florges to be pure Fairy instead of Fairy/Grass because it has too many weaknesses or a 4x weakness to Poison or whatever. Do the people saying stuff like this not realize that Grass/Fairy has SIX resistances (Water, Grass, Fighting, Dark, Electric, Ground), almost all of them useful, AND an immunity (Dragon)? That's pretty good trade-off, IMO.
 

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We do have the Eagle, an legendary to represent the deers and Jörmungandr (the snake). We are missing, between the important mythological creatures, Níðhöggr (the Dragon), Ratatöskr (the Squirrel), something based on some of the 6 Wolves, Draugr (the undead creature) and Hafgufa (the sea monster).

They would be cool :)

Edit: sorry wrong snake name :p
 

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But anyway, I do hope they pull a Platinum stunt if the remaining spaces in the dex are not-so-golden oldies, since I do feel we've been fairly shortchanged with the new Mons. So I'm still hoping that the missing spaces are newbies, and that the current national dex number isn't totally accurate (wishful thinking, I know, but I can dream, right?).

I totally, 100% agree.
 

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I don't understand the sentiment that it's better for Florges to be pure Fairy instead of Fairy/Grass because it has too many weaknesses or a 4x weakness to Poison or whatever. Do the people saying stuff like this not realize that Grass/Fairy has SIX resistances (Water, Grass, Fighting, Dark, Electric, Ground), almost all of them useful, AND an immunity (Dragon)? That's pretty good trade-off, IMO.

I disagree.

Adding more weaknesses, Obviously, just increases your chance of getting hit by a SE attack.

How much does it matter if you can swap into a resisted move if your opponent can just out speed and hit you with a different SE attack first? (Florges be slow).
Not to mention Poison moves will blow it over, whether it's from a Poison Pokemon or not. Florges isn't taking many Poison Jabs from OU Pokemon.

Now for a speedy sweeper, you generally want a lot of resistances so you can hop into more attacks, then precede to out speed and sweep your opponent. That's not Florges.

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Basically if Florges was fast, having the extra STABs and resistances from Grass would be worth it to operate as a sweeper or revenge killer.
 

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I don't understand the sentiment that it's better for Florges to be pure Fairy instead of Fairy/Grass because it has too many weaknesses or a 4x weakness to Poison or whatever. Do the people saying stuff like this not realize that Grass/Fairy has SIX resistances (Water, Grass, Fighting, Dark, Electric, Ground), almost all of them useful, AND an immunity (Dragon)? That's pretty good trade-off, IMO.
Sadly, there are types that are simply cursed with a stigma. Grass is one of them.
 

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I don't understand the sentiment that it's better for Florges to be pure Fairy instead of Fairy/Grass because it has too many weaknesses or a 4x weakness to Poison or whatever. Do the people saying stuff like this not realize that Grass/Fairy has SIX resistances (Water, Grass, Fighting, Dark, Electric, Ground), almost all of them useful, AND an immunity (Dragon)? That's pretty good trade-off, IMO.

Fairy
2x Weaknesses: Steel, Poison
0.5x: Fight, Bug, Dark
0x: Dragon

Fairy/Grass
4x Weakness: Poison
2x Weakness: Steel, Fire, Ice, Flying
0.5x Weakness: Fighting, Dark, Electric, Ground, Water, Grass
0x Weakness: Dragon, Spore/Powder/Seed moves

An immunity to Spore/Leech Seed and three more resistances at the cost of a 4x weakness to Poison and three additional weaknesses isn't much of a tradeoff, IMO.
 

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We do have the Eagle, an legendary to represent the deers and Jörmungandr (the snake). We are missing, between the important mythological creatures, Níðhöggr (the Dragon), Ratatöskr (the Squirrel), something based on some of the 6 Wolves, Draugr (the undead creature) and Hafgufa (the sea monster).

They would be cool :)

Edit: sorry wrong snake name :p

I doubt it.

If this trio really are based on the inhabitants of Yggdrasil, which I am not very convinced on, then it would only be those three. GF doesn't always get keep track of every detail. I doubt there will be a squirrel and dragon Pokemon to represent the last ones. And I doubt an ice wolf too.
 
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