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Rumour thread (SPOILERS - ALLEGED LEAKS)

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This guy said there will be a poison type evolution named toxeon, and that minccino would be a fairy type.
Source...?

Regardless, I think it's safe to say we won't get another Eeveelution this gen. I don't see why they'd reveal a new one after a short revolving around them.
 

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I wonder why he is avoiding to answer certain questions? I thought he knew what he was talking about. Also, he is saying that there will be another eeveelution named Toxeon when only one was advertised. If another was going to appear, it would appear in the Pikachu short, but it won't.
 
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This guy said there will be a poison type evolution named toxeon, and that minccino would be a fairy type.
Source...?

Regardless, I think it's safe to say we won't get another Eeveelution this gen. I don't see why they'd reveal a new one after a short revolving around them.

I actually believe there will be. As they say on VP muh muh muh patterns. It actually makes sense to only announce one as to hype people up and then leave a second as a nice surprise.

But I think it'll be a dragon type rather then poison
 

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I missed that part.

Still, all of this seems to be way too much what fans want to be completely true.
 

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I really doubt the silhouette/site has anything to do with XY, mainly because we have an XY site already. Creating a new page just to announce "the scoop of the century" seems silly to me.
Though it could still be Pokemon related. If it's known to be a collaboration, perhaps it's another Pokemon spin-off?

The leaker specifically said that this was Mewtwo's Y form. This implies that there will be a second alternate form. It's very similar to another rumor. Also, only one alternate form was advertised, so I doubt that there will be another.
When I think about it, it's possible that Mewtwo could have two new forms in opposite thematic directions ... it could be that either M16 only showcases the one, or there's a possibility the movie contains both but at different times of the plot (with the "Y form" filling sort of an eleventh-hour-superpower role).

(Loose analogy: In Digimon, the first time Tai tried to get Agumon to evolve past Champion level he wound up with Skullgreymon by accident; Agumon's proper Ultimate evolution later turned out to be Metalgreymon. Haven't followed Digimon in ages though - let me know if I got any names wrong.)

However, isn't M16 out already in Japan? If the movie featured two new forms we'd know.
 
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The Y form is supposed to be the new form that we know of. He's saying that there will be an "X" form without talking about it. I'm sure that this "second form" doesn't exist, and I'm sure that the leaker probably isn't revealing anything that is useful. Why make another movie to show another Mewtwo form when they could've used this movie?
 
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IAMTHELEAKER said:
Fairy Wind is 60 power and has the same effects as Ancient Power, Silver Wind and Ominous Wind.
If this were true, then Fairy Wind being doubly super effective against Hydreigon would mean that Gardevoir would OHKO it with Fairy Power (the minimum damage would be 192, which is well above 152HP). In the trailers, the damage dealt was 96 and then 100. The only way this can rumor could be accurate is if Gardevoir were significantly disadvantaged by way of lowering its level.

Why would they do that? They could have just used a different dragon if they didn't want to imply that Dark was weak to Fairy. Besides, Sylveon OHKOed Salamence with Moon Blast despite the lack of a quadruple weakness. I do believe that Dark is weak to Fairy since MageLeif has proven to be reliable and a deeper analysis of the damage calculation also supports it (unless the calculation has been tweaked in XY), but I'd wager that Fairy Wind's power is no higher than 30.

IAMTHELEAKER said:
Fairy is immune from dragon types, and is resistant to ghost, dark, normal, and fighting types.

Normal, Ghost, Psychic, Steel are resistant to Fairy Types.
So overdone. MageLeif only said that Fairy is immune to Dragon and is negated by Psychic and Fire. I believe that there are other interactions he neglected to mention, but this many? And why is Fire missing?

IAMTHELEAKER said:
That wasn't a mistake. It isn't very clear what type they are, I assumed bug as they used 3 bug type but they also used 3 poison types and two flying types. Their room isn't very type specific either and they reference both bugs and poison is speech. I assumed they were bug because of what they wear. I suppose they may be Poison though.
She references both Bug and Poison and uses an equal number of Pokémon of each type, and yet he still pegs her as a Bug specialist? I could believe this if the other E4 members were dual-type specialists, but he didn't say that.

IAMTHELEAKER said:
Mewtwo has two forms. Y form is the one shown already, it has very high speed.
This URL implies that it's the X form.
 
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I did some digging and apparently the recent rumors came from some guest commenter on PokeJungle, who is claiming that he/she is a game tester for Nintendo?

At least they didn't say their dad works for Game Freak. lol.
 

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Fairy Wind having ≤ 30 power would be unusual; few non-multi-hit moves are in that range. I wonder what effects it has.
 

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Fairy Wind having ≤ 30 power would be unusual; few non-multi-hit moves are in that range. I wonder what effects it has.
It could just be Fairy's equivalent of Bubble. It's an unusual choice for Gardevoir, but Flabébé also used it.
 

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This "IAMTHELEAKER" fellow from Pokejungle also claimed that he knew the gym type "order" and gym leader "names": Viola (Bug), Danica (Fairy), Clemont (Electric), Grant (Rock), Jet (Flying), Petunia (Grass), Blaise (Fire), and Lilith (Dark). This order contradicts MageLeif's announcement of the fourth gym being Fighting type. When the poster was asked why there was a contradiction, s/he replied that MageLeif was incorrect about the type; Grant used a Fighting pokemon in the gym battle but his main specialty was Rock. Although gym leaders using pokemon with types outside their specialty had been done before, it would have been strange for MageLeif, who revealed this tidbit of information simultaneously with many of the other "rumors" that eventually became facts, to erroneously announce a type that would not receive a gym in these games.

It's rather easy to discredit this person's claims since so much of what s/he posted contradicts MageLeif's information, most of which has been confirmed in the past. I know that the community has been immersing themselves in this user's "insider information" with excitement as they are eagerly anticipating for my X/Y news, but this is a prime example in which the adage "don't trust everything you read on the internet" should be adhered to. It is during the last few months prior to the release of the next generation of Pokemon games when "informants" and "game testers" swarm the internet in troves. One should use common sense before accepting any rumor as a fact.

Using this incident as an example, the same leaker posted on Pokejungle yesterday that a Poison-type Eeveelution would be introduced in Gen VI. If that were the case, then why wasn't this Eeveelution shown in "Eevee and Friends"? You'd think that a special focused on Eevee's evolutions would have featured any additional branches to the Eevee evolutionary tree as of Gen VI, and this hypothetical pokemon would have been announced simultaneously with Sylveon back in February.
 
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Using this incident as an example, the same leaker posted on Pokejungle yesterday that a Poison-type Eeveelution would be introduced in Gen VI. If that were the case, then why wasn't this Eeveelution shown in "Eevee and Friends"? You'd think that a special focused on Eevee's evolutions would have featured any additional branches to the Eevee evolutionary tree as of Gen VI, and this hypothetical pokemon would have been announced simultaneously with Sylveon back in February.
By this logic, there shouldn't be a second Mewtwo form, and yet MageLeif says there will be. However, they're being very secretive about Mewtwo while there is nothing to suggest that they're planning something for Eevee.
 

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Regardless, I think it's safe to say we won't get another Eeveelution this gen. I don't see why they'd reveal a new one after a short revolving around them.

I actually believe there will be. As they say on VP muh muh muh patterns. It actually makes sense to only announce one as to hype people up and then leave a second as a nice surprise.

But I think it'll be a dragon type rather then poison
I don't think there will be another eeveelution, as of now, there is nothing pointing to Sylveon not being the only new one in Generation VI, revealing one months before the other makes absolutely no sense. Why can't people be satisfied with just one? There are 8 eeveelutions already.

 

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I don't think it's necessarily that, it's just once again people are making assumptions that they can't back up. Sure, if there is another, it's weird if they haven't promoted it alongside Sylveon, but at the same time, Sylveon was the "1st Fairy-type" revealed, it's hype was warranted. But is there anything stating there won't be another? No. So people need to stop acting like they can say for certain. We certainly have MANY scenarios where people have claimed things can't be true but were (Um, hello MEWTWO FORME!?), and we can't say at all whether something or not will or won't happen because we don't know.

Let's not forget a generation isn't just pre-release hype. There is many things they can do throughout the generation to promote other Pokémon. If there was a new eeveelution, there are many things that could happen through the generation to give it more popularity. Let's not act like just because a Pokémon was revealed beforehand, it makes them more popular and/or important.
 

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Except I am not claiming anything "for certain", there is an "I don't think" right in the beginning of my post, in case you didn't notice. Also, a second new form for Mewtwo would make way more sense than a new eeveelution, because unlike Sylveon, they are still hiding basically everything about Mewtwo, for some unknown reason. Saying that there will be a second new eeveelution in Generation VI, as of now, is nothing but wishful thinking, there is nothing pointing to that, IMO. ^^

Hmm, you know, now I am wondering if Umbreon, a Pokémon of a recently revealed type back in Generation II, was revealed months before Espeon? Perhaps it was?
 

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Hmm, you know, now I am wondering if Umbreon, a Pokémon of a recently revealed type back in Generation II, was revealed months before Espeon? Perhaps it was?
Neither Espeon nor Umbreon was revealed prior to Gold and Silver's release. The same goes for Leafeon and Glaceon.
 

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I don't think it's necessarily that, it's just once again people are making assumptions that they can't back up. Sure, if there is another, it's weird if they haven't promoted it alongside Sylveon, but at the same time, Sylveon was the "1st Fairy-type" revealed, it's hype was warranted. But is there anything stating there won't be another? No. So people need to stop acting like they can say for certain. We certainly have MANY scenarios where people have claimed things can't be true but were (Um, hello MEWTWO FORME!?), and we can't say at all whether something or not will or won't happen because we don't know.

Let's not forget a generation isn't just pre-release hype. There is many things they can do throughout the generation to promote other Pokémon. If there was a new eeveelution, there are many things that could happen through the generation to give it more popularity. Let's not act like just because a Pokémon was revealed beforehand, it makes them more popular and/or important.

I could not have said it any better myself.

I think people should just really have an open mind when it comes to things like this, especially with how unpredictable things have been this generation. I guess we'll just have to wait and see.
 

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I don't know why you are so defensive against the idea of Syvleon being the only new eeveelution, "people" aren't being close minded, "people" are just saying that there isn't anything backing up a new eeveelution besides Sylveon, so it is wishful thinking. Is it impossible to happen? Of course not, but as Rainbow said, it is safe to assume that it will not, at least until they reveal further information about the games.

Neither Espeon nor Umbreon was revealed prior to Gold and Silver's release. The same goes for Leafeon and Glaceon.

Okay, thanks.
 

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I don't know why you are so defensive against the idea of Syvleon being the only new eeveelution, "people" aren't being close minded, "people" are just saying that there isn't anything backing up a new eeveelution besides Sylveon, so it is wishful thinking. Is it impossible to happen? Of course not, but as Rainbow said, it is safe to assume that it will not, at least until they reveal further information about the games.

Neither Espeon nor Umbreon was revealed prior to Gold and Silver's release. The same goes for Leafeon and Glaceon.

Okay, thanks.

Just to say I wasn't aiming my post at you, because it's been something that's going on on most forums these last few weeks/months, and for me, while I always like a new eeveelution, I'm also leaning towards there not being another. But like I said, just because there isn't any evidence to show there will be one, doesn't mean there won't. Of course it's wishful thinking on many peoples part, but also, it's wishful thinking for some that there won't be another. I'm just saying there is noway to know until the games are out and we should focus on other topics instead of going round and round on something we don't need to.
 
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