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Rumour thread (SPOILERS - ALLEGED LEAKS)

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If Eevee gets another evolution aside from Sylveon, I think it would be a Dragon-type since it's a formerly Special type and Dragons and Fairies oppose each other in Pokémon.
 

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Is Mawile a robot, too, because it's a Steel type? The Steel type means that the Pokémon are armored with metal or a similarly hard substance, or they are made out of metal.
 

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Are they? So if you opened up a Magnemite or any other robot Pokemon there would be like organs n' blood n' stuff? Though I get what you mean, Pokemon is dumb and has no logic or has just a little logic. I guess Steel Eeveelution could resemble a robot, but I just find it silly that a furry little dog thing suddenly evolves into a chunk of metal, like how does that evolution actually happen? Do you use a stone? Do you give your Eevee to some kind of a scientist and it will modify your Eevee into a Mechaeon though actually that would be pretty cool. Though I just think a Steel-type Eeveelution would just be a grey dog with metal spikes or whatevs.

They are, obviously. I'd say that the only (arguably) non-living Pokémon are the Ghost-type ones. I don't know how an Eevee would evolve into a robot thing, but hey, perhaps it could be an Eevee modified by scientists, like Genesect? That said, not all Steel-type Pokémon are robots, I think things like Registeel and Mawile just have bodies made of Steel instead of being mechanical creatures.

Everyone loves them, this is clear.

Can you please speak for yourself. I don't like Eevee or its evolutions (except for Espeon... a bit) and I am pretty sure I am not the only one.
 

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Well be that as it may, if we have gotten two eeveelutions every time a new generation of Pokemon games are released, I don't see a specific reason why we wouldn't get two now. I'm hoping for a poison type Eeveelution though!
 

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The reason is that they advertised one Eeveelution already, and if there was another, it would be stupid to not advertise the other one in the Pikachu short.
 

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If Eevee gets another evolution aside from Sylveon, I think it would be a Dragon-type since it's a formerly Special type and Dragons and Fairies oppose each other in Pokémon.

The Fairy type cannot be considered either a Physical or Special type because it was introduced after the Physical/Special split that occurred in Gen 4, so I cannot see why it would be a dragon.

Is Mawile a robot, too, because it's a Steel type? The Steel type means that the Pokémon are armored with metal or a similarly hard substance, or they are made out of metal.

Being made of metal =/= robot

Robots have their own distinct features, would a Pokemon based on a knight's armor automatically be considered a robot because it happens to be based on something made of metal? The answer is obviously no.
 

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Is Mawile a robot, too, because it's a Steel type? The Steel type means that the Pokémon are armored with metal or a similarly hard substance, or they are made out of metal.

Being made of metal =/= robot

Robots have their own distinct features, would a Pokemon based on a knight's armor automatically be considered a robot because it happens to be based on something made of metal? The answer is obviously no.

What did you think that I was implying? If it was an eeveelution, then of course it wouldn't be a robot. Eevees evolve in order to adapt to their environment, so why would it become a robot? Also, there isn't anything that you could accurately classify as a robot except arguable the Magnemite line.
 
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The reason is that they advertised one Eeveelution already, and if there was another, it would be stupid to not advertise the other one in the Pikachu short.

That's a good point, but why would they break out of their tradition? Eeveelutions are very marketable, so why wouldn't they design two of them again? The reason why it didn't appear on the film though was mostly because the only thing we know about the fairy type is that they are super effective against dragons, nothing else. While some people might speculate a dragon type Eeveelution, I expect an Eeveelution that is super effective against fairy types, and those weaknesses haven't been confirmed, afaik. The ones that are speculated though are steel and poison, so both are viable options.

Then there's the fact that Sylveon is pretty much the mascot of the fairy type, and fairy type needs promotion in the lime light, so Sylveon is the way to go. Having another Eeveelution steal even a bit of Sylveon's spotlight is a no-no, since Gamefreak is trying to hype the new typing, as well as keep fairy type a bit of a mystery on what else it is strong against or weak against, so people will be more eager to find out. We haven't had a new typing in a while, so this is a big deal, plus some old Pokemon are getting retyped too, so whoah, what a massive treat.

Though maybe you're right, but that would be ridiculous to not design a counterpart for Sylveon, when they have designed counterparts to in every generation (afaik I'm not that knowledgeable I'm just speaking out of my ass). Though I wouldn't really care if they didn't release another Eeveelution to balance Sylveon, since I'm very indifferent about 'em, but if it's a poison type, gimme gimme.
 

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Being made of metal =/= robot

Robots have their own distinct features, would a Pokemon based on a knight's armor automatically be considered a robot because it happens to be based on something made of metal? The answer is obviously no.

... Lol.
 

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The reason is that they advertised one Eeveelution already, and if there was another, it would be stupid to not advertise the other one in the Pikachu short.

That's a good point, but why would they break out of their tradition? Eeveelutions are very marketable, so why wouldn't they design two of them again? The reason why it didn't appear on the film though was mostly because the only thing we know about the fairy type is that they are super effective against dragons, nothing else. While some people might speculate a dragon type Eeveelution, I expect an Eeveelution that is super effective against fairy types, and those weaknesses haven't been confirmed, afaik. The ones that are speculated though are steel and poison, so both are viable options.

Then there's the fact that Sylveon is pretty much the mascot of the fairy type, and fairy type needs promotion in the lime light, so Sylveon is the way to go. Having another Eeveelution steal even a bit of Sylveon's spotlight is a no-no, since Gamefreak is trying to hype the new typing, as well as keep fairy type a bit of a mystery on what else it is strong against or weak against, so people will be more eager to find out. We haven't had a new typing in a while, so this is a big deal, plus some old Pokemon are getting retyped too, so whoah, what a massive treat.

Though maybe you're right, but that would be ridiculous to not design a counterpart for Sylveon, when they have designed counterparts to in every generation (afaik I'm not that knowledgeable I'm just speaking out of my ass). Though I wouldn't really care if they didn't release another Eeveelution to balance Sylveon, since I'm very indifferent about 'em, but if it's a poison type, gimme gimme.

Remember, that could also be the reason of why they may not make an Eeveelution. It's because of the massive advertising of Sylveon and that they introduced the fairy-type. If they introduced another Eeveelution at the last moment, nobody would care or it could steal the spotlight.
 

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The reason is that they advertised one Eeveelution already, and if there was another, it would be stupid to not advertise the other one in the Pikachu short.

That's a good point, but why would they break out of their tradition? Eeveelutions are very marketable, so why wouldn't they design two of them again? The reason why it didn't appear on the film though was mostly because the only thing we know about the fairy type is that they are super effective against dragons, nothing else. While some people might speculate a dragon type Eeveelution, I expect an Eeveelution that is super effective against fairy types, and those weaknesses haven't been confirmed, afaik. The ones that are speculated though are steel and poison, so both are viable options.

Then there's the fact that Sylveon is pretty much the mascot of the fairy type, and fairy type needs promotion in the lime light, so Sylveon is the way to go. Having another Eeveelution steal even a bit of Sylveon's spotlight is a no-no, since Gamefreak is trying to hype the new typing, as well as keep fairy type a bit of a mystery on what else it is strong against or weak against, so people will be more eager to find out. We haven't had a new typing in a while, so this is a big deal, plus some old Pokemon are getting retyped too, so whoah, what a massive treat.

Though maybe you're right, but that would be ridiculous to not design a counterpart for Sylveon, when they have designed counterparts to in every generation (afaik I'm not that knowledgeable I'm just speaking out of my ass). Though I wouldn't really care if they didn't release another Eeveelution to balance Sylveon, since I'm very indifferent about 'em, but if it's a poison type, gimme gimme.

Remember, that could also be the reason of why they may not make an Eeveelution. It's because of the massive advertising of Sylveon and that they introduced the fairy-type. If they introduced another Eeveelution at the last moment, nobody would care or it could steal the spotlight.

Ah, a very good point, but all the movies, the anime and all the other stuff showcased is advertising. The game itself doesn't advertise itself WHUT that doesn't even make sense. In game, you can have an Eeveelution that is not showcased steal a spotlight of Sylveon, who cares. And honestly, everyone is interested in seeing new Eeveelutions, and nobody would not-care if they introduced another, of course people care about Eeveelutions, even if they don't care.

But yeah there might not be a second Eeveelution for Pokemon X&Y, you might be correct, but I might be correct as well thinking that there will be.
 

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Is Mawile a robot, too, because it's a Steel type? The Steel type means that the Pokémon are armored with metal or a similarly hard substance, or they are made out of metal.

Being made of metal =/= robot

Robots have their own distinct features, would a Pokemon based on a knight's armor automatically be considered a robot because it happens to be based on something made of metal? The answer is obviously no.

What did you think that I was implying? If it was an eeveelution, then of course it wouldn't be a robot. Eevees evolve in order to adapt to their environment, so why would it become a robot? Also, there isn't anything that you could accurately classify as a robot except arguable the Magnemite line.

What if in the Pokemon world, there are scientists who conduct experiments on Eevee to discover new Eeveelutions, such as having it react to technological implants or interact with something technological. ever think of that?
 

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Well be that as it may, if we have gotten two eeveelutions every time a new generation of Pokemon games are released, I don't see a specific reason why we wouldn't get two now. I'm hoping for a poison type Eeveelution though!

We have gotten upgraded 3rd versions for a long time, but that didn't stop Game Freak from making two sequels instead in Generation V. The fact they introduced two eeveelutions in Generations II and IV doesn't necessarily they will do the same now. Also, the first eeveelutions were a trio, not a pair, so they may have decided to change things a bit and introduce only one this time.

The Fairy type cannot be considered either a Physical or Special type because it was introduced after the Physical/Special split that occurred in Gen 4, so I cannot see why it would be a dragon.
I get what you mean, but the Fairy-type is clearly the exception to the rule, since as you said, it is a type introduced after the Physical/Special split. Before Sylveon, every eeveelution was from a previously Special-based type and the only one left is the Dragon-type, so if I had to guess the type of the supposed second Generation IV eeveelution, I would certainly say Dragon-type.
 

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@Gurk Wasn't this the only time an Eeveelution was advertised like this, though? Or am i forgetting another Eeveelution that was advertised?

@Robo-Floatzel Are implants really "robotic" to you? How would implants also imply that it would be a Steel-type in the first place? Also, modern technology is likely to use electrical power!
 

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Are implants really "robotic" to you? How would implants also imply that it would be a Steel-type in the first place? Also, modern technology is likely to use electrical power!

You were the one who, earlier in the thread, said this:

Eevees evolve in order to adapt to their environment, so why would it become a robot? Also, there isn't anything that you could accurately classify as a robot except arguable the Magnemite line.

What's wrong with it using electrical power, is it because Jolteon was already made and a Steel type Eeveelution should just be a fox wearing armor and nothing more? It doesn't NEED to have electric-type attacks, there is no rule that says that all robot-based Pokemon have to be Electric/Steel types like Magnemite is, just look at the Porygon family for instance, they're robotic Pokemon and all three of them are Normal types, the Klink family is no different. Also, Eevee doesn't need to evolve specifically based on it's environment, the Pokedex says it has unstable genetics, which implies that, while Eevee can mutate based on changes in it's enviromnent, it can also mutate based on genetic engineering and alterations to it's biology as well.
 

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The Fairy type cannot be considered either a Physical or Special type because it was introduced after the Physical/Special split that occurred in Gen 4, so I cannot see why it would be a dragon.
I get what you mean, but the Fairy-type is clearly the exception to the rule, since as you said, it is a type introduced after the Physical/Special split. Before Sylveon, every eeveelution was from a previously Special-based type and the only one left is the Dragon-type, so if I had to guess the type of the supposed second Generation IV eeveelution, I would certainly say Dragon-type.[/FONT]

Generation VI you mean ?

Otherwise, I'm pretty sure if the Fairy type was introduced before Gen IV, it would have been a Special-type. I don't see fairies being too physical. I'm sure most of Fairy-type moves will be Special.
 

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You were the one who, earlier in the thread, said this:

Eevees evolve in order to adapt to their environment, so why would it become a robot? Also, there isn't anything that you could accurately classify as a robot except arguable the Magnemite line.

What's wrong with it using electrical power, is it because Jolteon was already made and a Steel type Eeveelution should just be a fox wearing armor and nothing more? It doesn't NEED to have electric-type attacks, there is no rule that says that all robot-based Pokemon have to be Electric/Steel types like Magnemite is, just look at the Porygon family for instance, they're robotic Pokemon and all three of them are Normal types, the Klink family is no different. Also, Eevee doesn't need to evolve specifically based on it's environment, the Pokedex says it has unstable genetics, which implies that, while Eevee can mutate based on changes in it's enviromnent, it can also mutate based on genetic engineering and alterations to it's biology as well.

That doesn't mean that Eevee would become a robot by having implants inserted into its body. Porygon isn't a robot: it's an artificial Pokémon created from scratch. It's like a computer program. Also, the Klink family isn't composed of robots! Also, would you expect any scientists in the Pokémon world to genetically engineer a Pokémon that is already genetically unstable? The Pokédex says that changes in Eevee's environment would cause it to evolve.
 

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Generation VI you mean ?

Otherwise, I'm pretty sure if the Fairy type was introduced before Gen IV, it would have been a Special-type. I don't see fairies being too physical. I'm sure most of Fairy-type moves will be Special.

Yes, Generation VI. :c I agree, Fairy-type seems more special than physical. Then again, the same could be said about the Ghost-type, yet it was physical before Gen IV.
 

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I think that there is a little chance that we will get another Eeveelution beside Sylveon.
Between every Generation's Eeveelution there is a relation between them.

I would like to say that there are three different cases that can serve as an argument for having another Eeveelution in Gen.6 :

1)First one:

First of all, all of them have been released in pair in every Gen.

2)Second one:
In Gen.1 if you see, according to the regional Dex order: Vaporeon is weak to Jolteon, which is weak to Flareon.
Also in Gen.2 Espeon is weak against Umbreon.
The same in Gen.4 where Leafeon is weak against Glaceon.

Now if Sylveon is the first Eeveelution in the Kalos Dex Order, this means that the other eeveelution is Super-effective against Sylveon.
According to the latest Information(Laker) that I saw here, Sylveon was weak to Steel, Poison and Ice.
So if Sylveon is the first Eeveelution in the Kalos Dex Order, we can have another Steel-Type or Poison-Type Eeveelution.

If Sylveon is the second Eeveelution in the Kalos Dex Order, this means that the other one is weak against Sulveon and Fairy-Type.
So there could be a Dragon-Type Eeveelution or a Fighting-Type one.

3)Third one:

If we see between the all Eeveelution together, they're weak or super-effective against each-other:

- Vaporeon -weak against Leafeon and Flareon, s-effective against Flareon.
- Jolteon - weak against ground-type and Leafeon, s-effective against Vaporeon (flying and steel type).
- Flareon - weak against ground-type and Vaporeon, s-effective against Glaceon and Leafeon.(also Steel and bug).
- Espeon - weak against bug, ghost and Umbreon, s-effective against fighting.
- Umbreon - weak against fighting and bug, s-effective against Espeon.
- Leafeon - weak against Flareon and Glaceon, s-effective against Jolteon.
- Glaceon - weak against fighting and Flareon and steel, s-effective against Leafeon.
So there is a possibility for having a new Fighting-Type, Steel-Type or Ground-Type eeveelution.

I also found an "old" image. I don't now if it is a fan-made-work or sth else, but I want you to see that :

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After I saw this I think that, if this can be true, there will be a Ground or Fighting or Dragon Type Eeveelution.
 

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You were the one who, earlier in the thread, said this:

Eevees evolve in order to adapt to their environment, so why would it become a robot? Also, there isn't anything that you could accurately classify as a robot except arguable the Magnemite line.

What's wrong with it using electrical power, is it because Jolteon was already made and a Steel type Eeveelution should just be a fox wearing armor and nothing more? It doesn't NEED to have electric-type attacks, there is no rule that says that all robot-based Pokemon have to be Electric/Steel types like Magnemite is, just look at the Porygon family for instance, they're robotic Pokemon and all three of them are Normal types, the Klink family is no different. Also, Eevee doesn't need to evolve specifically based on it's environment, the Pokedex says it has unstable genetics, which implies that, while Eevee can mutate based on changes in it's enviromnent, it can also mutate based on genetic engineering and alterations to it's biology as well.

That doesn't mean that Eevee would become a robot by having implants inserted into its body. Porygon isn't a robot: it's an artificial Pokémon created from scratch. It's like a computer program. Also, the Klink family isn't composed of robots! Also, would you expect any scientists in the Pokémon world to genetically engineer a Pokémon that is already genetically unstable? The Pokédex says that changes in Eevee's environment would cause it to evolve.

Robots or Artificial Inteligence, Porygon can be considered either one of them. And Klink is a bunch of gears, which are common in mechanical devices. Also, the villain team may have involvement, after all, science created Mewtwo and Genesect, so are they not allowed to make an artificial evolution of Eevee?

Also, is it just me or do you like disagreeing with everything I say.
 
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