• Hey guys! Have you heard? We now have popup
    Yes, Popups!
    messages for your forum posts. Learn more about it here!
  • To keep up with the hype driven by Sword and Shield's release, we are taking applications for new moderators in our Current Events: Sword and Shield as well as Anime and Manga sections.

    For more information, see this thread.We hope you all consider joining our team!
  • We hope you're enjoying Sword and Shield so far! So that everyone can enjoy it and not be spoiled, please keep the all story spoilers and any images from the games in the appropriate sections or in spoiler tags until January 3rd.

    Since spoiler tags are not allowed in signatures, please do not put images from the games in your signature either. You can list the names of new Pokémon if you want to list your team in your signature.

SPOILERS: Rumours/Fakes/Leaks Discussion Thread (V2)

Well-Known Member
Joined
Jul 25, 2017
Messages
590
Reaction score
993
Means like with ORAS, BW2 and the like, its just adding older pokemon not present into the current game pokedex such as Mantine for example. We can expect 20ish new forms at most and the rest will be older pokemon that didnt make the alola dex like last time I would imagine.
:p Don't expect USUM to add more alolan forms than SM did (18) ... TBH I think we'd be lucky to even get 10...but I'm still scared we aren't getting any at all :( The good thing about alolan forms being Johto pokemon (presumably) is that most of them have 2-stage families so even if we'd get as few as 10 alolan forms total, it still means we'd see like 5 families get a form
 
Well-Known Member
Joined
Aug 28, 2016
Messages
1,515
Reaction score
2,155
:p Don't expect USUM to add more alolan forms than SM did (18) ... TBH I think we'd be lucky to even get 10...but I'm still scared we aren't getting any at all :( The good thing about alolan forms being Johto pokemon (presumably) is that most of them have 2-stage families so even if we'd get as few as 10 alolan forms total, it still means we'd see like 5 families get a form
10 seems fair

If we get 5 new UB + a few new alt forms of whatever that would be ok by me honestly.
 
Well-Known Member
Joined
Aug 20, 2016
Messages
613
Reaction score
877
What if US/UM are just glorified “alternate versions” like they have been marketing them already? As in Sun/Moon are like X and US/UM are like Y. Basically there would be “version exclusives” between the two. So whenever we see a new Ultra Beast, Pokémon, or Form, it is really replacing one from Sun and Moon? UB-Burst And UB-Assembly for example could be this universes UB-02. Even stat wise it would fit well with Burst having high speed and special attack like Pheremosa and Assembly having high HP and Defence like Buzzwole.

This would als be the case of Alola forms so we wouldn’t get much, however the ones we do get could replace old ones this time around. For example, based on “true leaks” from Sun/Moon leak season, maybe we could get an Alolan Arbok and Dodrio with Arbok replacing Muk and Dodrio replacing Dugtrio

Also about the whole “G2 Alolan Forms” I don’t think G2 will get any Pandering until G8 whic could be a region close to or related to Kalos in someway with Kalos featuring a lot of G1 pandering while the new region featuring G2 pandering

Also I think Sun/Moon was literally the “vacation region” so a lot of the features we won’t see next gen including trials since they are part of Alola. Also a lot of trainers and characters are literally “on vacation in Alola”. Like Red and Colress and Dexio/Sinna, And the other cameos
 
Part Time Pokémon Master
Joined
Sep 8, 2016
Messages
350
Reaction score
501
What if US/UM are just glorified “alternate versions” like they have been marketing them already? As in Sun/Moon are like X and US/UM are like Y. Basically there would be “version exclusives” between the two. So whenever we see a new Ultra Beast, Pokémon, or Form, it is really replacing one from Sun and Moon? UB-Burst And UB-Assembly for example could be this universes UB-02. Even stat wise it would fit well with Burst having high speed and special attack like Pheremosa and Assembly having high HP and Defence like Buzzwole.

This would als be the case of Alola forms so we wouldn’t get much, however the ones we do get could replace old ones this time around. For example, based on “true leaks” from Sun/Moon leak season, maybe we could get an Alolan Arbok and Dodrio with Arbok replacing Muk and Dodrio replacing Dugtrio

Also about the whole “G2 Alolan Forms” I don’t think G2 will get any Pandering until G8 whic could be a region close to or related to Kalos in someway with Kalos featuring a lot of G1 pandering while the new region featuring G2 pandering

Also I think Sun/Moon was literally the “vacation region” so a lot of the features we won’t see next gen including trials since they are part of Alola. Also a lot of trainers and characters are literally “on vacation in Alola”. Like Red and Colress and Dexio/Sinna, And the other cameos
The only problem with your "glorified 'alternate versions'" hypothesis is that there was an Alolan Meowth in the USUM trailer. So there cannot be new alolan forms replacing old ones.
 
Well-Known Member
Joined
Aug 20, 2016
Messages
613
Reaction score
877
The only problem with your "glorified 'alternate versions'" hypothesis is that there was an Alolan Meowth in the USUM trailer. So there cannot be new alolan forms replacing old ones.
I never said all would be replaced. Only some. So there would only be a few new Alola forms and a few new Ultra Beasts, just like how in Sun you get Solgaleo and in Moon you get Lunala. Only some would be replaced by the new Pokemon
 
debates about Rugrats canon
Joined
Oct 18, 2012
Messages
5,892
Reaction score
15,392
What if US/UM are just glorified “alternate versions” like they have been marketing them already? As in Sun/Moon are like X and US/UM are like Y. Basically there would be “version exclusives” between the two. So whenever we see a new Ultra Beast, Pokémon, or Form, it is really replacing one from Sun and Moon? UB-Burst And UB-Assembly for example could be this universes UB-02. Even stat wise it would fit well with Burst having high speed and special attack like Pheremosa and Assembly having high HP and Defence like Buzzwole.

This would als be the case of Alola forms so we wouldn’t get much, however the ones we do get could replace old ones this time around. For example, based on “true leaks” from Sun/Moon leak season, maybe we could get an Alolan Arbok and Dodrio with Arbok replacing Muk and Dodrio replacing Dugtrio

Also about the whole “G2 Alolan Forms” I don’t think G2 will get any Pandering until G8 whic could be a region close to or related to Kalos in someway with Kalos featuring a lot of G1 pandering while the new region featuring G2 pandering

Also I think Sun/Moon was literally the “vacation region” so a lot of the features we won’t see next gen including trials since they are part of Alola. Also a lot of trainers and characters are literally “on vacation in Alola”. Like Red and Colress and Dexio/Sinna, And the other cameos
So, what you're saying is that they'll be basically the same as Sun & Moon but with some alterations and upgrades?

I uhh... hate to break it to you, but...
 
Nepgear is cute.
Joined
Jun 9, 2014
Messages
1,830
Reaction score
2,378
:p Don't expect USUM to add more alolan forms than SM did (18) ... TBH I think we'd be lucky to even get 10...but I'm still scared we aren't getting any at all :( The good thing about alolan forms being Johto pokemon (presumably) is that most of them have 2-stage families so even if we'd get as few as 10 alolan forms total, it still means we'd see like 5 families get a form
Personally, I can see TPCi advertising in the next trailer a concept similar to Alolan Forms, but would require interaction with the Virtual Console GS releases.

Game Freak/TPCi: "Get ready for the introduction of Faller Forms! Transferring certain Johto Pokémon to PokéBank has a chance of gaining new beneficial mutations in typing and moves!"

I can honestly see Game Freak pulling that off as an incentive to get GS for the Virtual Console. If this happens, I could see things like the following:
  • Faller Hoothoot & Noctowl: Psychic/Flying
    They are practically Psychic-types without being Psychic-types due to their moveset, so Ultra Wormhole Energy/Z-Power could enhance their psychic powers to a degree that its reflected in their typing.
  • Faller Snubbull & Granbull: Fairy/Normal
    They originally were pure normal in GS, and the fact that Granbull has one offensive Fairy-type move compared to Normal-type moves make me question why they didn't just add the Fairy-type onto it like they did with Jigglypuff. I can personally see the Police Mascot Granbull from SM become a Faller Form.
  • Faller Garifarig: Dark/Psychic
    The tail could be the part of Girafarig that mutates, but it could also be a darker side to Giragfarig like how mirror episodes in cartoons go.
  • Faller Sudowoodo: Grass
    Maybe Ultra Wormhole Energy could channel its potential as a Grass-type so that Sudowoodo doesn't have to pretend anymore.
Not sure about what the others could be, but I could see this as an explanation as to why GF hasn't revealed any Alolan Forms for Johto Pokémon yet.
 
Part Time Pokémon Master
Joined
Sep 8, 2016
Messages
350
Reaction score
501
I never said all would be replaced. Only some. So there would only be a few new Alola forms and a few new Ultra Beasts, just like how in Sun you get Solgaleo and in Moon you get Lunala. Only some would be replaced by the new Pokemon
I understand what you're saying. I thought about this myself when it leaked earlier that there would only be another 100 pokemon added to the alola dex. I thought what if they cheated their way around this and switched out pokemon and forms so that we can get more new ones with the limited space we have in the dex. Especially since you could send over the forms that aren't in USUM from SM. Then I went through the trailers and saw the Alolan Meowth, Mantine, and Meinfoo. That just makes me hesitant to believe that this is what they are going to do. I could be wrong and you could be right, but I'm not sure right now. We could both be wrong and they get rid of other Pokemon to make room (like the Dragonite family, randomly).

Personally, I can see TPCi advertising in the next trailer a concept similar to Alolan Forms, but would require interaction with the Virtual Console GS releases.

Game Freak/TPCi: "Get ready for the introduction of Faller Forms! Transferring certain Johto Pokémon to PokéBank has a chance of gaining new beneficial mutations in typing and moves!"

I can honestly see Game Freak pulling that off as an incentive to get GS for the Virtual Console. If this happens, I could see things like the following:
  • Faller Hoothoot & Noctowl: Psychic/Flying
    They are practically Psychic-types without being Psychic-types due to their moveset, so Ultra Wormhole Energy/Z-Power could enhance their psychic powers to a degree that its reflected in their typing.
  • Faller Snubbull & Granbull: Fairy/Normal
    They originally were pure normal in GS, and the fact that Granbull has one offensive Fairy-type move compared to Normal-type moves make me question why they didn't just add the Fairy-type onto it like they did with Jigglypuff. I can personally see the Police Mascot Granbull from SM become a Faller Form.
  • Faller Garifarig: Dark/Psychic
    The tail could be the part of Girafarig that mutates, but it could also be a darker side to Giragfarig like how mirror episodes in cartoons go.
  • Faller Sudowoodo: Grass
    Maybe Ultra Wormhole Energy could channel its potential as a Grass-type so that Sudowoodo doesn't have to pretend anymore.
Not sure about what the others could be, but I could see this as an explanation as to why GF hasn't revealed any Alolan Forms for Johto Pokémon yet.
I don't see this working out if only because I could foresee a lot of backlash about this. I think if they were to do this they would have to have a specific method to getting the "faller" form pokemon. If it's random it could upset pokemon who want a specific form of there pokemon for whatever limited competitive set. Like hypothetically speaking if I wanted a headbutt Noctowl but mine randomly became Psychic/Flying that could ruin that set (bad example I know.) I'm just thinking if they were going to do that then I think they'd have to find a way to make those forms certain instead of random. Like if you send a Garifarig to bank with a certain move or an item (that would encode it to evolve a certain way in USUM). I would suggest doing that.
 
Cosmic Pikachu
Joined
Sep 1, 2016
Messages
295
Reaction score
499
What if US/UM are just glorified “alternate versions” like they have been marketing them already? As in Sun/Moon are like X and US/UM are like Y. Basically there would be “version exclusives” between the two. So whenever we see a new Ultra Beast, Pokémon, or Form, it is really replacing one from Sun and Moon? UB-Burst And UB-Assembly for example could be this universes UB-02. Even stat wise it would fit well with Burst having high speed and special attack like Pheremosa and Assembly having high HP and Defence like Buzzwole.

This would als be the case of Alola forms so we wouldn’t get much, however the ones we do get could replace old ones this time around. For example, based on “true leaks” from Sun/Moon leak season, maybe we could get an Alolan Arbok and Dodrio with Arbok replacing Muk and Dodrio replacing Dugtrio

Also about the whole “G2 Alolan Forms” I don’t think G2 will get any Pandering until G8 whic could be a region close to or related to Kalos in someway with Kalos featuring a lot of G1 pandering while the new region featuring G2 pandering

Also I think Sun/Moon was literally the “vacation region” so a lot of the features we won’t see next gen including trials since they are part of Alola. Also a lot of trainers and characters are literally “on vacation in Alola”. Like Red and Colress and Dexio/Sinna, And the other cameos
 
Nepgear is cute.
Joined
Jun 9, 2014
Messages
1,830
Reaction score
2,378
I understand what you're saying. I thought about this myself when it leaked earlier that there would only be another 100 pokemon added to the alola dex. I thought what if they cheated their way around this and switched out pokemon and forms so that we can get more new ones with the limited space we have in the dex. Especially since you could send over the forms that aren't in USUM from SM. Then I went through the trailers and saw the Alolan Meowth, Mantine, and Meinfoo. That just makes me hesitant to believe that this is what they are going to do. I could be wrong and you could be right, but I'm not sure right now. We could both be wrong and they get rid of other Pokemon to make room (like the Dragonite family, randomly).



I don't see this working out if only because I could foresee a lot of backlash about this. I think if they were to do this they would have to have a specific method to getting the "faller" form pokemon. If it's random it could upset pokemon who want a specific form of there pokemon for whatever limited competitive set. Like hypothetically speaking if I wanted a headbutt Noctowl but mine randomly became Psychic/Flying that could ruin that set (bad example I know.) I'm just thinking if they were going to do that then I think they'd have to find a way to make those forms certain instead of random. Like if you send a Garifarig to bank with a certain move or an item (that would encode it to evolve a certain way in USUM). I would suggest doing that.
I see your point. Still, the idea behind Faller Forms is something I can see Game Freak doing as a good marketing tactic. Maybe they could do something like "If you deposit 50 of the same Pokémon into the Bank along with an Ultra Beast, you can an Ultra Wormhole token to use on certain Johto Pokémon!" as opposed to being random like I proposed.

I know that sound tedious, but it's Game Freak we're talking about here! They aren't known for making access to cool stuff that simple. :p
 
Well-Known Member
Joined
Aug 20, 2016
Messages
613
Reaction score
877
So, what you're saying is that they'll be basically the same as Sun & Moon but with some alterations and upgrades?

I uhh... hate to break it to you, but...
Isn't that what US/UM is? They have been advertising it as literally "Alternate Versions". This isn't a sequel it is more like Emerald and Platinum

Personally, I can see TPCi advertising in the next trailer a concept similar to Alolan Forms, but would require interaction with the Virtual Console GS releases.

Game Freak/TPCi: "Get ready for the introduction of Faller Forms! Transferring certain Johto Pokémon to PokéBank has a chance of gaining new beneficial mutations in typing and moves!"

I can honestly see Game Freak pulling that off as an incentive to get GS for the Virtual Console. If this happens, I could see things like the following:
  • Faller Hoothoot & Noctowl: Psychic/Flying
    They are practically Psychic-types without being Psychic-types due to their moveset, so Ultra Wormhole Energy/Z-Power could enhance their psychic powers to a degree that its reflected in their typing.
  • Faller Snubbull & Granbull: Fairy/Normal
    They originally were pure normal in GS, and the fact that Granbull has one offensive Fairy-type move compared to Normal-type moves make me question why they didn't just add the Fairy-type onto it like they did with Jigglypuff. I can personally see the Police Mascot Granbull from SM become a Faller Form.
  • Faller Garifarig: Dark/Psychic
    The tail could be the part of Girafarig that mutates, but it could also be a darker side to Giragfarig like how mirror episodes in cartoons go.
  • Faller Sudowoodo: Grass
    Maybe Ultra Wormhole Energy could channel its potential as a Grass-type so that Sudowoodo doesn't have to pretend anymore.
Not sure about what the others could be, but I could see this as an explanation as to why GF hasn't revealed any Alolan Forms for Johto Pokémon yet.
Like I mentioned earlier, idk if we will get any Johto pandering in US/UM, I think they might wait for G8. This however is a really cool idea. Maybe instead of transferring though, it could work like back in the old games: If you have a certain Pokemon game in your gba slot (If you have downloaded a certain gba game on your 3DS), certain things will happen, certain Pokemon will appear, etc, etc, just like how they did it in the old games.

I understand what you're saying. I thought about this myself when it leaked earlier that there would only be another 100 pokemon added to the alola dex. I thought what if they cheated their way around this and switched out pokemon and forms so that we can get more new ones with the limited space we have in the dex. Especially since you could send over the forms that aren't in USUM from SM. Then I went through the trailers and saw the Alolan Meowth, Mantine, and Meinfoo. That just makes me hesitant to believe that this is what they are going to do. I could be wrong and you could be right, but I'm not sure right now. We could both be wrong and they get rid of other Pokemon to make room (like the Dragonite family, randomly).
Well they did cut out the part in the trailer that showed Nihilego coming out of the portal, so maybe like other people said, it would be a new UB taking its place. It also would sort of make sense because US/UM comes out less than a year from Sun/Moon, so they wouldn't want to make Sun/Moon "outdated" so certain switchouts will let Sun/Moon have its own "exclusives".
 
debates about Rugrats canon
Joined
Oct 18, 2012
Messages
5,892
Reaction score
15,392
Isn't that what US/UM is? They have been advertising it as literally "Alternate Versions". This isn't a sequel it is more like Emerald and Platinum
Right. I just found it a little odd that you were suggesting what already seems to be the case.
 
Onduru ruragittan disukaa
Joined
Feb 7, 2010
Messages
5,521
Reaction score
559
Personally, I can see TPCi advertising in the next trailer a concept similar to Alolan Forms, but would require interaction with the Virtual Console GS releases.

Game Freak/TPCi: "Get ready for the introduction of Faller Forms! Transferring certain Johto Pokémon to PokéBank has a chance of gaining new beneficial mutations in typing and moves!"

I can honestly see Game Freak pulling that off as an incentive to get GS for the Virtual Console. If this happens, I could see things like the following:
  • Faller Hoothoot & Noctowl: Psychic/Flying
    They are practically Psychic-types without being Psychic-types due to their moveset, so Ultra Wormhole Energy/Z-Power could enhance their psychic powers to a degree that its reflected in their typing.
  • Faller Snubbull & Granbull: Fairy/Normal
    They originally were pure normal in GS, and the fact that Granbull has one offensive Fairy-type move compared to Normal-type moves make me question why they didn't just add the Fairy-type onto it like they did with Jigglypuff. I can personally see the Police Mascot Granbull from SM become a Faller Form.
  • Faller Garifarig: Dark/Psychic
    The tail could be the part of Girafarig that mutates, but it could also be a darker side to Giragfarig like how mirror episodes in cartoons go.
  • Faller Sudowoodo: Grass
    Maybe Ultra Wormhole Energy could channel its potential as a Grass-type so that Sudowoodo doesn't have to pretend anymore.
Not sure about what the others could be, but I could see this as an explanation as to why GF hasn't revealed any Alolan Forms for Johto Pokémon yet.
You know, this is a pretty cool concept---Pokemon being mutated by Ultra Space.

I think since the idea of fallers are "alternate dimension", I feel like the Faller forms would sort of play with that idea. Like perhaps the Faller Sudowoodo is the other dimension's version of Sudowoodo, which is a tree that mimics a rock. Or for a bit of meta-commentary Girafarig resembles the beta G/S Girafarig, basically a "what-if" Pokemon.
 
Joined
Sep 23, 2016
Messages
349
Reaction score
246
Just a random thought regarding new forms of Gen 2 PKMN... Does anybody think the Blue Granbull statue in the police station means anything? I know it is a long shot since it is already in the Alola Dex, but I feel like it was never explained.
 
Onduru ruragittan disukaa
Joined
Feb 7, 2010
Messages
5,521
Reaction score
559
Just a random thought regarding new forms of Gen 2 PKMN... Does anybody think the Blue Granbull statue in the police station means anything? I know it is a long shot since it is already in the Alola Dex, but I feel like it was never explained.
Probably just a parody of Japan's police mascots, who I'm guessing are usually blue? There's that one from Ace Attorney for reference in case you don't know what I'm talking about.

Here in America I can't imagine the police having a mascot due to how they're viewed differently---though I guess there's the D.A.R.E. Lion sort of? McGruff the Crime Dog?
 
Top