SPOILERS: Rumours/Fakes/Leaks Discussion Thread (V2)

[Ambrose7]

It seems you can interact with many over world Pokemon. Guess this is what was misinterpreted as "Walking Pokemon".

 

[Leafstorm001]

Isn't it weird that Archen and Tortuga are version exclusives? So are catchable in he wild or just the fossils?

 

[Ambrose7]

Isn't weird that Archen and Tortuga are version exclusives? So are catchable in he wild or just the fossils?

Isn't it same for the sinnoh fossils too?

 

[Leafstorm001]

Isn't it same for the sinnoh fossils too?

My memory's kinda fuzzy, were the fossils version exclusive in Sun and Moon?

 

[Mjmannella]

Yes, they were.

 

[CharizardMen99]

So,riddler posted something else?

or still nothing new?

 

[lavandula]

So,riddler posted something else?

or still nothing new?

He said that the team working on USUM consisted of 80 people, which was half of Sun Moon.

And that Japanese players should use the Roto Loto to get items, it's very beneficial.

 

[Esserise]

Seems as though Bellossom is in the Dex:

(Look at the pattern beneath the player’s picture)

So that almost certainly means it isn’t getting an Alola Form, so either

> Alolan Oddish is real, but it’s not going to extend to Bellossom (hilarious troll move considering the desire for Gen 2 Alolans)

> The Grass/Poison line is Bellsprout and someone in the rumor circle got it wrong

> Or the whole thing is fake

He said that the team working on USUM consisted of 80 people, which was half of Sun Moon.

Although we learned that from the interviews yesterday.

 

[gingerninja23]

I hope the riddler talks more of this Alolan form and what it could possibly be and any other cool last minute info.

 

[Plumeria]

Man, I just want Bellossom to be in the dex, Alolan form or not! It's the most Alola-fitting Pokémon imo.

 

[PkmnTrainerV]

Seems as though Bellossom is in the Dex:

(Look at the pattern beneath the player’s picture)

So that almost certainly means it isn’t getting an Alola Form, so either

> Alolan Oddish is real, but it’s not going to extend to Bellossom (hilarious troll move considering the desire for Gen 2 Alolans)

> The Grass/Poison line is Bellsprout and someone in the rumor circle got it wrong

> Or the whole thing is fake



Although we learned that from the interviews yesterday.

A fourth, and unlikely possibility:
>Bellosson does get a new form, but without major changes (think Alolan Meowth/Diglett/Geodude lines)

I personally lean towards the possibility that the entire thing is fake, but I thought I'd point out the possibility that there may be an Alolan form without major changes, which has happened before (Meowth was literally a palette swap and Diglett had a single hair on its head, also Geodude and Graveler just get facial hair, but Golem displays more changes).

 

[Saternoir]

He said that the team working on USUM consisted of 80 people, which was half of Sun Moon.

This was said in an interview too (posted here)

 

[Esserise]

A fourth, and unlikely possibility:
>Bellosson does get a new form, but without major changes (think Alolan Meowth/Diglett/Geodude lines)

I personally lean towards the possibility that the entire thing is fake, but I thought I'd point out the possibility that there may be an Alolan form without major changes, which has happened before (Meowth was literally a palette swap and Diglett had a single hair on its head, also Geodude and Graveler just get facial hair, but Golem displays more changes).

That is true, and indeed the pattern on the card is a bit different from regular Bellossom (compare the leaf skirt), but that could just be stylization.

Personally I am leaning toward the leak being true, but mainly because "RR" and Giovanni returning is mentioned even in the original wishlist leak, which has held up reasonably well so far and in my opinion, has a convincing basis. Plus, we know that there is more they've yet to announce (in yesterday's Nintendo Life interview, Iwao alluded to a feature that they aren't able to talk about yet - I think that could be the Festival Rental Plaza, plus there are still those two vacant "coming soon" sections on the Japanese site), and they have started mentioning there being some big new post-game storyline. I'm not so sure that would simply be a refined Anabel episode, because the purpose of that plot was to let us catch the UBs, which we can already do in USUM by way of the Ultra Wormhole soaring. Add on top of that the smaller stuff like Masuda's Team Rocket recruitment retweet and the picture of him with the villains' aces, as well as all of the villain team logos appearing as decorations in the Photo Club, and it starts to look a little suspicious.

I'd started to doubt the wishlist and the Chinese 2.0 leak, but that was primarily because we'd seen nothing about any Team Rainbow at all. However, I hadn't considered the possibility that it would be a post-game thing, which is what the Rainbow Rocket stuff is suggesting.

 

[TheMonster6893]

I'm not sure I fully see Bellossom in that picture. Yeah I get where people are coming from, but the only one that clearly stands out is Staryu. That in mind I'm still not sure where I stand on the new Alolan forms in general. I really want them to be true, but I just don't know. I Believe that the Riddler is legit and it seems that a few of the rumors we've gotten could be true too. The USUM wishlist seems to be checking off all that's in the games so far. The problem I have is that it seems weird that no merch has hinted at new Alolan forms what so ever. With the new version exclusive flier that's going around you'd think at least 2 new forms would be exclusive. I suppose maybe the new forms could just be in the games generally and aren't version exclusives, but that seems weird to me. Plus the tcg hasn't even hinted on bit about there being new forms either. Granted they haven't shown the new UBs yet either, but it all seems so weird they'd wait this long to show a huge part of what makes SM so cool. I'll just keep my hopes in check for now and if the rumors are real leaks then I can be happy lol

 

[Esserise]

Plus the tcg hasn't even hinted on bit about there being new forms either.

Does the TCG make a habit of foreshadowing stuff from upcoming games?

 

[TheMonster6893]

Does the TCG make a habit of foreshadowing stuff from upcoming games?

Honestly not 100% sure, but I feel like we've gotten some stuff at least. Actually Mareanie was leaked by tcg merch wasn't it? Either way idk. Maybe the tcg thing isn't the best example. Either way I just find the lack of hinting at new Alolan forms very odd. Seems weird that they'd ignore them after so long only to bring them up again with almost no time before the games launch.

 

[lavandula]

Plot twist, that picture is Alolan Jynx with hula skirt....
Not really, lol.
Way more likely to be Bellossom with a different skirt.

Looks like these are the version exclusives for USUM so far.

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Yes, the Japanese reads version exclusives.

 

[Garren]

Huh...

Just realized that leak from /vp/ back before the games were revealed mentions Giovanni and uses the abbreviation "RR" to refer to him. Probably been mentioned but that seems to be Rainbow Rocket.

 

[Esserise]

If Molayne is going to replace one of the E4, who should it be? My preference would be that Acerola gets dropped. We've had a lot of Ghost users in previous Elite Fours, but not a lot of Rock or Flying users, so I don't want to lose Olivia or Kahili. Plus, if it's still down to a matter of Nanu not giving a shit, Molayne would make sense as an alternative to Acerola since he's a former Ula'ula Trial Captain.

Huh...

Just realized that leak from /vp/ back before the games were revealed mentions Giovanni and uses the abbreviation "RR" to refer to him. Probably been mentioned but that seems to be Rainbow Rocket.

Which I find pretty convincing, but some have argued that it may have been a typo (intending to be "TR", with T being right next to R on the keyboard, which, fair enough - one of the major SM leaks had a significant typo in it as well), or a codename or prototype name for the Recon Squad (but based on the context of the sentence, this seems... far less likely).

 

[Soki]

Finally updated the OP again (sorry I have a bit of a lack of time lately) and included the Rainbow Rocket leak, the screenshot from 4chan and the Insider Information Leak (under other 4chan leaks).

Moved the Maria Leaks and John Gamefreak leaks to the fakes list. Though their information isn't outright confirmed fake yet, I think we can sort of say for sure at this point that Ultra Evolution is not gonna be a thing, that the story isn't going to revolve around a wasp and a scorpion Ultra Beast, and that we ain't also getting a Prism Corps. Also the fact that John Gamefreak said there would be no Island Challenge is enough for me to confirm the whole thing as fake.

As for my opinion on the RR leak:
A Battle Facility in the Festival Plaza? I sure hope not, I'd like to visit the place as less as possible ^^; The idea of the facility sounds fun though, I'm always in for doing battles with rental Pokémon. I can see one new Alolan Form and Molayne being Elite Four though. With Molayne almost having no role at all in SuMo I wouldn't be surprised if he has something bigger to do this time.

What ruins this leak for me is the Rainbow Rocket thing which imo is just too ridiculous to be true. We already have a third team added to the games in the form of the Ultra Recon Squad and now you're telling me we'll also have another team that consists of all the previous main villains? Who all have quite varying goals but are now working together to kidnap someone for...reasons? I mean...I guess this could be that huge post-story episode thing they're talking about? But it's still so very out there that I just can't see it happening in any way.