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SPOILERS: Rumours/Fakes/Leaks Discussion Thread (V2)

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They could keep the Cell quest as it is (maybe change some locations) but make it compulsory to progress in the post-game. So there will come a point during the post-game where you will need to have completed it.
That actually reminds me about that one leak saying we'd have to battle grunts for the cores and cells. If Game Freak did something like your idea or the idea in that leak, that'd be dope.
 
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Hmm...the original USUM leak with "RR Giovanni" said he was "dad af".

The player's mom is from Kanto and has a Meowth...

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But I'd like to point out the mom is pretty young looking (late 20s?) while judging by Red Giovanni would be far older. I don't know if they'd do a Giovanni gets a teenager pregnant and abandons her plot though.
I sorta saw it as the leaker was calling Giovanni hot.

Where is Silver’s mom?

Uh-oh.

Or maybe Giovanni is Lillie’s true father. Who worked with Lusamine’s brother, Mohn (which more logically explains their shared physical traits, rn the idea of Papa Mohn seems kinda incesty), many years ago, and let Mohn take all of the credit for their research because he didn’t want to draw attention to himself. Until one day, they ran an experiment during which they both fell into an Ultra Wormhole...

Notice how SM never actually outright state that the Aetherkids’ dad was Mohn... :eek:

And people always talk about how similar Gladion is to Silver... :eek::eek::eek:

And why else would Giovanni suddenly want to abduct Lusamine????? Open your eyes, BMGF!!! And lay gaze upon the truth!
Not gonna lie, this has me laughing right now.

If anybody is curious, I think this is the rest of it:

1: New Mega Evolutions: Mega Delcatty (Fairy Type), Mega Beartic, Mega Ninjask (Ninjasknite is exclusive to Ultra Sun), Mega Chimecho (Chimechonite is exclusive to Ultra Moon), Mega Farfetch'd (Fighting/Flying Type) and Mega Girafarig (Ice/Psychic)

2 - In Ultra Sun, the elite four is Hala, Olivia, a dragon specialist names Ryuki and a new Ice Type specialist named Nebis.
In Ultra Moon, it is a new Psychic Type specialist named Akira, Ryuki, Acerola and Kahili.

3 - Alolan Oddish is the only new Alolan Form.

4 - Now, Battle Tree looks like a World Tournament (Probably PWT) and it presents even more characters. Option "Final Roun" can let you connect with old games and battle old heroes. You also can build their team from the Hall of Fames of the following games: VC Red and Green, VC Yellow, VC Gold and Silver and also HGSS, ORAS, DPPt, BW and also B2W2 and XY.

5 - There are six new UBs tho two of them are mythical Pokémon.
Bahjakizo is a Fire/Ghost and Codename is UB: Burst
Dibwalln is a Rock/Steel and Codename is UB: Lay
KawaET is a Poison type and Codename is UB: Poison
Jintoburubu is a Ice/Water and Codename is UB: Freeae
Matsugenega is Fairy/Ground and Codename is UB: Eyelashes (Matsuge means Eyelash and Nega means Wish)
Chisakaiju is UB: Pet and is Normal Type. (Literally a kana corruption "Small Monster")

This seems to be the thread that started it, but the OP doesn’t provide any source for the information.

Some problems: If we’re taking the more recent leaks as confirmed, then we know Molayne is one of the Elite Four so it’s wrong about that. And then as I said previously, the TCG seems to imply that there will be only two more UBs, not three. And there’s Megas, lol, not to mention the wank that is the “connect with old games” feature. Plus, crobatair told us that there were talks on the Chinese forums about there being more Alola Forms than just Oddish.

So take all of that for what you will.
Another thing that sticks out to me from that is Ninjask and Chimecho's supposed Mega Stones being version exclusives. I don't think they'd return to that after dropping it in ORAS.
 
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I think that one problem with that new leak is that it says that the Poison type Ultra Beast is UB Poison while the Japanese name for UB Adhesive is UB Sticky. I believe that might be enough to debunk the leak.
 
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I think that one problem with that new leak is that it says that the Poison type Ultra Beast is UB Poison while the Japanese name for UB Adhesive is UB Sticky. I believe that might be enough to debunk the leak.
Yep, this leak seems like some sort of wish list imo. (Especially the "rebuilding teams from old games" part) And it says Alolan Oddish is the only alolan form, what about Gloom, Vileplume, and Bellossom? Right now I'm just focusing on the RR leak and ones related to it at this point. Of course, anything is possible, but this one seems like a dud.
 
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Not gonna lie, this has me laughing right now.
But what scares me is that I may only be half-joking

On my way home yesterday, I did start to wonder if the “dad af” remark might mean anything more than it would seem to. Giovanni being a father is somewhat of an obscure detail and has never been a very important part of his character, especially if Silver isn’t involved in the RR story. But if him being a parent actually is a relevant detail, then it would make sense for the leaker to comment on that. And then there was the question of why Giovanni would have ever have any particular interest in Lusamine or her family.

Three other points to consider:

- In the story trailer, we see a clip of Gladion saying, “Mother, if you disappear, too—!” This line of dialogue is new to USUM, so it could imply that there will be an increased focus on the Aether family’s history and specifically, the disappearance of Gladion and Lillie’s father.

- People have always been kinda fat-shamey about Mohn being Lusamine’s lover. Now, I never liked that attitude, and simply liked to think that Lusamine was more open-minded about beauty and fashion before she lost herself in grief, but I will admit that it is at least, from a general societal view, an odd pairing for somebody as conventionally attractive as Lusamine. Giovanni, on the other hand, is more conventionally handsome. But more than that, it is kind of strange to use Mohn’s blonde hair and green eyes as proof that he is the father of Gladion and Lillie, because that was the same evidence that we used to deduce that Gladion and Lillie were siblings, and Lusamine has those exact traits as well. While it is certainly very far from impossible for two unrelated people to look close enough to be related and form a couple, it is still somewhat conspicuous that Lusamine and Mohn could pass for relatives just as easily as Gladion and Lillie were able to before their relation was confirmed.

- Another thing that people commented on after SM’s release was the lack of closure concerning Mohn and the rest of his family. (This never bothered me very much, personally.) But what if that’s because they were just setting up Mohn as a red herring? Letting us know that Gladion and Lillie lost their father, and that it drove Lusamine into ruin, and making us want closure, all while carefully avoiding ever designating Mohn specifically as their father? What if they figured we would take the bait? And now that we have that in mind, they take USUM as the opportunity to deliver that closure with a dedicated storyline - but with a twist!

On top of all of that, the twist in SM that Lillie’s father is the guy who tends to your bean farm and lost his memories? Weird, and kind of random. However... a twist that her father is not only somebody significant to us, but is actually the head of Team Rocket? Jaw-dropping, whatever else you might think of it.
 
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True but the wishlist list has 1 miss and I find the last one unlikely especially when before the league the Hau battle will likely be the same, but no one knows though so its still up in the air if that leak was right or got some hit/misses atm its possible they guessed 2 right although you are right this "Mysterious person" wasn't shown or promoted at all in any trailers and its close to release so that's very likely fake but at least 3 and 4 of the leak were right.
the wishlist has no misses yet; the one thing marked as wrong leaves out the leaker's qualifier of "but that won't happen :( " meaning that they knew it wasn't gone. this is contrasted with the Chinese 2.0 leak that has a mix of subjective information ("Lillie will surprise you"), piggybacked information (Rainbow), and information that isn't proven (1 year later; which we all know seems incredibly unlikely at this point).
 
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Gladion said that his father had confirmed the existence of UBs. I'd find it forced if all of a sudden Giovanni turned out to have been an Aether scientist all along.

Also, being Lusamine's husband wouldn't exactly explain kidnapping her. Giovanni seems to be looking for something she has.

I'd try to create coherent speculation if I didn't know about all the other leaders turning this plot into a farce.
 
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Seems he's just referring to the Serena and Ash figures.

But what scares me is that I may only be half-joking

On my way home yesterday, I did start to wonder if the “dad af” remark might mean anything more than it would seem to. Giovanni being a father is somewhat of an obscure detail and has never been a very important part of his character, especially if Silver isn’t involved in the RR story. But if him being a parent actually is a relevant detail, then it would make sense for the leaker to comment on that. And then there was the question of why Giovanni would have ever have any particular interest in Lusamine or her family.

Three other points to consider:

- In the story trailer, we see a clip of Gladion saying, “Mother, if you disappear, too—!” This line of dialogue is new to USUM, so it could imply that there will be an increased focus on the Aether family’s history and specifically, the disappearance of Gladion and Lillie’s father.

- People have always been kinda fat-shamey about Mohn being Lusamine’s lover. Now, I never liked that attitude, and simply liked to think that Lusamine was more open-minded about beauty and fashion before she lost herself in grief, but I will admit that it is at least, from a general societal view, an odd pairing for somebody as conventionally attractive as Lusamine. Giovanni, on the other hand, is more conventionally handsome. But more than that, it is kind of strange to use Mohn’s blonde hair and green eyes as proof that he is the father of Gladion and Lillie, because that was the same evidence that we used to deduce that Gladion and Lillie were siblings, and Lusamine has those exact traits as well. While it is certainly very far from impossible for two unrelated people to look close enough to be related and form a couple, it is still somewhat conspicuous that Lusamine and Mohn could pass for relatives just as easily as Gladion and Lillie were able to before their relation was confirmed.

- Another thing that people commented on after SM’s release was the lack of closure concerning Mohn and the rest of his family. (This never bothered me very much, personally.) But what if that’s because they were just setting up Mohn as a red herring? Letting us know that Gladion and Lillie lost their father, and that it drove Lusamine into ruin, and making us want closure, all while carefully avoiding ever designating Mohn specifically as their father? What if they figured we would take the bait? And now that we have that in mind, they take USUM as the opportunity to deliver that closure with a dedicated storyline - but with a twist!

On top of all of that, the twist in SM that Lillie’s father is the guy who tends to your bean farm and lost his memories? Weird, and kind of random. However... a twist that her father is not only somebody significant to us, but is actually the head of Team Rocket? Jaw-dropping, whatever else you might think of it.
It sounded farfetched at first, but I understand now. Though only problem is Gladion mentioning his father confirming the existence of UBs, like Silktree Unown Seer said.
 
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I am interested in seeing how they'll handled the rumored "Leaders from universes who won".

Like, Giovanni would probably more or less just keep being a mob boss, but that's interesting to think about like Cyrus turning the whole world into emotionless beings and just getting bored, or Lysandre reduces the population to the "chosen ones" and then they just end up fucking over the world the same way the larger population used to.

It'd be kind of interesting if they're more or less tragic characters who just live in a sucky world.
 
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Paul is a trustworthy guy that has access to stuff we don't.
Sure, but he hypes stuff up that turned out to be nothing.
like why post big news coming if it's nothing to do with ultra sun and moon? he can say news coming, but not "big news"
he did it before too.
 
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Is it likely Alolan Oddish and its evolutions are the only Alolan Forms ?
 
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the wishlist has no misses yet; the one thing marked as wrong leaves out the leaker's qualifier of "but that won't happen :( " meaning that they knew it wasn't gone. this is contrasted with the Chinese 2.0 leak that has a mix of subjective information ("Lillie will surprise you"), piggybacked information (Rainbow), and information that isn't proven (1 year later; which we all know seems incredibly unlikely at this point).
It was wrong its not surprising that 1-2 are made up while the rest is true no leak is perfect also its obvious she'll surprise fans as she usually does just end it here.
 
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It was wrong its not surprising that 1-2 are made up while the rest is true no leak is perfect also its obvious she'll surprise fans as she usually does just end it here.
It's not REALLY wrong tho. Subtext is key in this kind of thing. The wishlist isn't written out like the other leaks. It's not written with things to come, but rather the way someone would write stuff they want. Leaving out the context of "but that won't happen" changes the original texts meaning. That line at this point is neither right nor wrong at face value. Once again context and subtext is what make that line important. I would even go as far as to say it shouldn't be highlighted as being flat out wrong, but should be marked as a neutral line of text. Even still without that line of text the wishlist hasn't gotten anything else wrong. Things are still to be revealed and it's unlikely at this point that it'll get anything truly wrong out right.
 
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Not to mention that when a leak is composed of only four things (such as Chinese 2.0) and gets one or two things wrong, it is a much more significant blow.
 
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What is going on today? RR is real? No....really?

Even with all this I honestly still don't see the all previous leaders teaming up. I have too much respect for Cyrus' intelligence to think he would work with someone like Ghetsis who is so obviously on such a bad power trip he constantly tries to manipulate everyone around him. And I still think despite everything Maxi and Archie would never work with Giovanni let alone Ghetsis and Cyrus who have such obviously selfies goals when Maxi and Archie are both far more altruistic even if they didn't think through the consensuses of their actions very well.

All this is to say we have proof TR is back in some capacity but I'm still not buying the leaks wholesale.
 
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