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SPOILERS: Rumours/Fakes/Leaks Discussion Thread (V2)

Discussion in 'Current Event: Pokémon Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon' started by Soki, Jun 6, 2017.

  1. RJB1987

    RJB1987 Cosmic Pikachu

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    See, I guess I’m coming from a different place - I started with Gen 1 back when they first came to the US, Gen 3 being the last games I purchased for years - almost a decade. I bought a 3DS and ORAS/XY only a few months before SM came out. I found ORAS great but XY lackluster. And that’s okay. SM has me excited again for the series and I had a blast playing them.

    I haven’t been with the series with every iteration of the games over the years, so I don’t have nostalgia goggles or anything for two gens I didn’t play and one that I did but wasn’t around for the hype. So to me, compared to Gens 1-3, SM were a huge improvement and I enjoyed the story...

    There’s also a few things we need to keep in mind. 1) at the end of the day, these games are geared towards children. Young children. Us older players are not and will not be their target demographic for features/content. And 2) while the games have been highly successful here in the West, we are not the home market for these games nor are our wants going to be the first GameFreak hears. Also, there is a precedent in the gaming community-at-large where fans complain, publishers change something, and it isn’t good. There are many changes or decisions I’d make if I were making Pokémon games, but I’m not.

    And I’m sorry, the fan base does come off as entitled and pathetic when they complain about a game and say they’re not going to buy it when they haven’t played it. Yes, GameFreak is a company and in the interest of turning a profit, however, that doesn’t mean some fans don’t take ownership of the franchise and think their opinion is the only one that matters. That’s obnoxious.
     
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  2. Esserise

    Esserise You ain’t a myth no more to me

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    I do think that would be the ideal, although it would require them to first slow down their rate of release. Which I don’t think would be a bad idea at all - I don’t even think that Gen 6 needed to end as soon as it did, but I understand how the combination of the anniversary and the Switch might have made things awkward. At least, I’m hoping that was the main culprit for the breakneck pace of the 3DS era. I’d like to see a four-year-at-minimum generation on the Switch, but I’m not holding my breath for anything yet.
     
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  3. RJB1987

    RJB1987 Cosmic Pikachu

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    That I can agree too - the games need a slightly longer generation cycle. Granted, it’s probably faster and cheaper to produce games now than it was 20 years ago... but yes. The anniversary and the Switch launch forced Gamefreaks’ hand
     
  4. Zweilous

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    I'm not going to argue over whether fans are being obnoxious over their complaints, but I will ask this in regards to your point: Why would you buy a game that doesn't seem to appeal to you? You wouldn't buy a new vacuum cleaner if you think it's going to break in the middle of cleaning the rug, so why would you buy a game that you think may not be enjoyable for you? The thing is, we do have a datamine that has laid the game pretty much bare for all to see, we have the dialogue and story script, we have the gameplay videos and streams, and what new features it has to offer, and from what those fans are getting it's not appealing to them. The product that GF is trying to sell is not doing a good job of selling itself, and because of that they don't feel the product is worth picking up. You may not agree with them on that notion and think the product is at least worth the look, but at the same time it's their right as costumers to not pay for it if they don't see it as worth putting $40 down for.
     
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    My response to GF's recent games: Developers want to appeal to the audience of mobile games for a more casual experience.The issue with doing that, which they've obviously done for gen 6-7. "No post game content, stream rolling through the story, characters that talk to you for maybe 10 minutes, or the whole game and still be extremely underdeveloped or forced" all these things lead to strong negatives. But because the majority of buyers are indifferent to these things the devs don't get the valuable critical reviews that they need.

    It's not just "Hey I dislike these things" it's more of if they continue it's really going to effect the franchise as a whole, especially on the switch. Sure, it's too early to tell what's going to happen. But it is just as ridiculous to say "Well they've made some questionable mistakes but the switch is going to change all that". Like scrapping kalos, the "remake" of oras was really just another take on the hoenn region. It wasn't anything like FrLg, or HG and SS. Yet they called them remakes. Or because of Pokemon Go and the 20th anniversary there was so many empty holes in the story of alola

    To break it down:

    XY and Sun and Moon felt unfinished. More so than any other game except maybe Diamond and Pearl.
    -parts of the fanbase are indifferent to the dev decisions that ultimately can effect the game quality. Kalos, and the rushed alola region.
    -these mistakes are never even addressed in game reviews. Because all they do is play through the story, and then put the game down and review it from the experience. Never going deep enough for valid critism besides "too much water"
    -pokemon has much more potential than sitting in the corner of the room collecting dust after you complete the story. Sure there's more things to do but really there isn't enough anymore, especially with switch coming down the line.
     
  6. Soki

    Soki Beep Boop Staff Coordinator

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    Well, we have at last one rumor ponting to the Switch version of Pokémon coming in 2018 alongside with the new VIII generation.
    This thread must continue...
     
  8. Soki

    Soki Beep Boop Staff Coordinator

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    Actually no, you're looking for this thread: Generation 8 Rumours/Fakes/Leaks :p

    Keeping this one open in case someone still wants to discuss the leaks we got or for the small chance there's still some USUM leaks coming up. But y'all do keep in mind to please only use this thread for that, we have plenty of other threads for every other kind of discussion. If this thread dies due to no more rumors happening, then just let it die.
     
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  9. SpiritWater

    SpiritWater Flowing...

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    It was an interesting leak season for USUM. Some really wild predictions that came true and some others that were too wild.
     
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    And apparently new Alolan Forms were too wild to be true.
     
  11. A Wild Luxray

    A Wild Luxray Hear me roar!

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    That's it for this leak season. See you all next year when we likely get close to the beginning of the 8th generation of Pokemon.