Rumours/Fakes/Leaks Discussion Thread (V2)

[Desdar300]

Those look more like beyblades than figurines.
Unlikely because of the M20 distribution, but it could be Marshadow. The movie will have already come and gone by then, but it could still be promoted due to popularity.

Marshadow has already gotten one and these are coming out in October.

 

[Pyrax]

Marshadow has already gotten one and these are coming out in October.

Maybe the Armoured Solgaleo/Lunala, then?

 

[Desdar300]

Maybe the Armoured Solgaleo/Lunala, then?

View: https://twitter.com/AutobotTesla/status/881050305743523840

From what it says the monsters featured here are important to the plot and are listed as the following
Lusamine's Nihilego
Guzma's Golisopod
Mascot Pikachu
Gladion's Silvally
The only one missing is Lillie ( and no the Solgaleo and Lunala aren't connected to her)

 

[jeisu]

View: https://twitter.com/AutobotTesla/status/881050305743523840

From what it says the monsters featured here are important to the plot and are listed as the following
Lusamine's Nihilego
Guzma's Golisopod
Mascot Pikachu
Gladion's Silvally
The only one missing is Lillie ( and no the Solgaleo and Lunala aren't connected to her)

Then it could be her Cosmog or Cosmoem? Or, if you want to involve the anime, it could be her Alolan Vulpix, possibly.

 

[Desdar300]

Then it could be her Cosmog or Cosmoem? Or, if you want to involve the anime, it could be her Alolan Vulpix, possibly.

Nope, because both of Nebby's final evos already there and if it was Vulpix then there'd be no reason to hide it.
Since this comes out in October that leaves them with enough time to show off a new marketable form of a Pokémon

 

[Silktree]

Is this really USUM-related when it shows the regular mascots instead of the new ones?

Either way, the Pokemon doesn't have to be Lillie's given "mascot" Pikachu and the legendaries.

 

[SinnohEevee]

What's Jigglypuff there for?

 

[DoctorWhy]

I mean, I doubt they would hide it unless it was something at least mildly new. I'm gonna guess either a new regional variant or Lycanroc form, maybe?

 

[Desdar300]

Is this really USUM-related when it shows the regular mascots instead of the new ones?

Either way, the Pokemon doesn't have to be Lillie's given "mascot" Pikachu and the legendaries.

Yeah, mainly because it comes out a month before the games and if it was something we've already seen then they wouldn't need to play up the mystery.

 

[Silktree]

This wouldn't be the first time a placeholder was used for no good reason. Here's one example; you can even tell that one placeholder was for Arceus and another one was for Pikachu and Spiky-eared Pichu. I'm pretty sure that the third one was just for Arceus in another pose.

I am not saying that this is another case like that, but it's a possibility.

 

[IncineROAR]

by the admin Paul Ryan himself.

lol

Not overkill, a challenge worthy of my years of training. Seriously, while the trials were a bit more challenging than the gym circuit in XY, I want a gym learning curve of GSC or the RBY Elite 4. Granted, I was 20 years younger but I had to work and grind and the payoff was great. I understand Pokemon, at its heart, is aimed at younger players but some kind of challenge would be nice.

I wish there was an "easy/normal" mode and a "challenge" mode for the games. I wonder how many of players of this game are actually younger kids, as opposed to fans that have been involved in the series for years.

 

[PkmnTrainerV]

With so many bosses, people will just get overlevelled and complain how the gyms are now easy.

 

[Soki]

Update:

• Added the links to the last two recent 'leaks' to the OP. From now on will just be doing that until info in them has been confirmed. Typing them all up and adding all the images is just too much effort for leaks that have a way too high chance of being fake ^^;
  
• Updated the Anonymous 4chan leak with more drawings, and made a summary of all the posts so it's a bit easier to read and debunk/confirm:

Spoiler

NOTE: A lot of this info was posted under the OP. Since the OP is anonymous, it's possible that not all of this info is written by the OP.

Story

• Ultra Sun/Moon are like Platinum; most is basically the same but with a few details redone and the store progressing towards Necrozma.
• Necrozma has been circulating Earth to gather enough energy to go back to Ultra Space, since it was summoned to Earth by accident by AZ thousands of years ago. It has become partially a Pokémon for living on Earth for thousands of years, so it wants to contact it’s co-Ultra Beasts in Ultra Space to invade Earth and make it a part of Ultra Space.
• Since Solgaleo/Lunala are the only ones that can open portals, Necrozma infects either and controls them against their will to use them to gather all Ultra Beasts to Earth for an invastion.
• Lillie does not go to Kanto at the end of the game and Lusamine doesn’t end up unconscious.

Gameplay

• Gyms are now present in the open lots in the original games and are needed to complete the main story.
• Island Trials are now post-game quests. The Trial sites are still there, excluding Ilima’s trial site which is now on Ten-Carat Hill. The Jungle is now a legendary site for one of the beast trio. Other trials are still there along with Mina and Acerola.
• The Pokémon that appeared in the trailer (such as Mimikyu and Togedemaru) are not Island Trials, they give exclusive Z-Crystals.
• Kahuna’s are still in the game and hold their Grand Trials post-game.
• You’ll have to battle Aether grunts/admins to collect Zygarde Cells and Cores. Collecting these is now required to finish the main story.
• There’s cutscenes for Zygarde vs Guzzlord, Solgaleo/Lunala vs Necrozma, and Ultra Beasts vs Island Guardians.
• The Island Guardians will be required to catch through the main story.
• You will have to defeat Aether Admins on give islands with Ultra Beasts: Faba/Kartana on Melemele, Helga/Pheromosa on Akala, Lest/Xurxitree on Ula Ula, Wicke/Buzzwole on Poni, and Aris/Celesteela in Aether Paradise.
• The National Dex is present ingame from the start. The original SM dex is expanded.
• Mega Stones can be bought and move tutors are present in the Battle Frontier.
• All Aether Admins (except Aris) can be battled post-game, just like Plumeria, Kukui, and Guzma. Gym Leaders and Trial Captains are available in the Battle Tree, Battle Cave, and the Battle Frontier.

Locations

• There are more places to visit, but no new island. The recurring islands have an expanded layout and have more new areas to explore.
• Victory Road is expanded through Lanakila Mountain's interior passage.
• The golf course is now open to public and has a mini golf game with Kahili.
• The guy from the Fossil Restoration Center has built his park, called Archaic Grove. You can mine for fossils in a cave in it and restore them.
• Lanakila and the volcano are further expanded with interior maps and Pokémon.
• There’s a portal to Ultra Space in Resolution Cave and we get to explore more of Ultra Space (an expanded version like the Distortion World).
• We don’t return to Kalos and the S.S. Anne also doesn’t come back.
• Most routes and mountains have enhanced background details.

Features

• There will be a smaller Battle Frontier, which will be similar to the BF of Platinum, only short by two Battle Facilities. It has a Battle Palace, Battle Hall and Battle Park, and also includes Battle Royale. It’s a sort of resort and it will have new characters
• There will be a Battle Cave added alongside the Battle Tree. It’s exactly like the Battle Tree but is underground and rental battles have returned.
• Mega Evolution does come back in a sense, in the form of Umbra Evolution. It’s a combination of Z-Moves and Mega Evolution, though Umbra Evolution is only applicable to Solgaleo and Lunala. A specific Z-Crystal which originated from Necrozma is given and activates when the Z-Crystal is twisted. Solgaleo and Lunala then Umbra Evolve into Ultra Solgaleo/Lunala by letting Necrozma attach itself to its host through the Z-Crystal.
• When Solgaleo and Lunala Umbra Evolve, Prism Armor is distributed to both, stats are upgraded, and they get their own Z-Moves (Ultra Sunsteel Strike and Ultra Moongeist Beam). They must have the moves Unstreel Strike or Moongeist Beam in their moveset to trigger the Z-Crystal.
• Poké Pelago is now added to the Rotom Dex as an option on the bottom screen, and Rotom replaces the position of Mohn.
• We can still defend our Champion title.
• Walking Pokémon does not return.
• Festival Plaza is not improved aesthetically but more items will be available through it.
• The Pikachu Park is merely a commemoration for Pikachu. It’s a place where you can leave your Pikachu and its happiness and level will increase once. It’s like a daycare exclusive for Pikachu. There are also minigames you can play in it for items.
• Customization is further enhanced with more clothing options. There are version exclusive clothes, like a Solgaleo tee for Sun and Lunala tee for Moon. There’s also a few new clothing options similar to past protagonists, like May’s bandana, Red’s FRLG top, Team Aqua/Magma shirt, etc.
• The Poké Finder has not changed but more Pokémon will appear in certain places that were not native in the original games.

Characters

Changes to Sun/Moon characters:

• Most character from Sun and Moon are completely similar, except for Lillie, Plumeria, Guzma and Lusamine.
• Lillie’s role in the game is quite similar, the only difference being that she finds Cosmog herself and hasn’t run away from Aether Paradise with it. You can battle her now, during the main story once with the third starter and an Alolan Vulpix, and again with her full team at the Aether Foundation post-game.
• Guzma has left Team Skull to Plumeria and is now a Pokémon Trainer on his own. He’s sort of a spy between the two teams.
• Gladion’s role is exactly the same as it was in the original (part of team skull, runaway from his mother). He gets a redesign and helps you tackle Ultra Beasts in the later game.
• Mohn now plays a role in the story.
• Sina and Dexio are undercover for the Aether Foundation and return in their Heroes of Kalos outfits. They’re the ones who help you throughout the Aether Foundation raid and give info on Zygarde and where to get its cores.
• Ryuki is a Dragon-type user and is the last Gym Leader in the game. He plays in a band with a few other members and disbands it right after you defeat the Gym. He goes solo to challenge the Elite Four after this and you battle him again soon after you defeat the Champion, defending your title. He becoming a Dragon-type Trial Captain postgame.
• Colress is still in the Battle Tree and retains his role in the main store by giving you Flame Charge. He now stays at the hotel on that route afterwards.
• Most Gym Leaders are are old Trial Captains.

Returning old character:

• A new feature called the Battle Cave will feature new returning characters: Eusine, Karen, Zinnia, Steven, Phoebe, Crasher Wake, Cheren, Bianca, Az, and Diantha.
• Diantha is redesigned with a coat and glasses, and Cheren and Bianca not wear summer outfits. Crasher Wake does not get a redesign.
• Characters that do not return: Lance, Cyrus.
• The Elite Four retains the same members, but the League now has a champion, a returning female character.

New characters:

• The Aether Foundation has some new Admins: Lest, Helga, and Aris. Lest and Helga are twins, one with pink hair and the other with blue hair.
• One of the Gym Leaders is Petunia, a Bug-type specialist. She’s the second Gym Leader.
• Another Gym Leader is Akamu, a Ground-type users.

Pokémon

• The Johto starters don’t get any special treatment.
• We don’t get starters, but we do get Lugia, Ho-oh and the beast trio post-game.
• There are no new Megas.
• Necrozma does not get a third form.
• Gloom now appears in Lush Jungle, Zorua in Paniola Ranch, Krabby in those sand whirls where Sandygast usually appears.
• Buizel is in the game.
• Rare Pokemon such as Dhelmise and Mimikyu are still rare, encounter rates are not changed.

Alola Forms

• Wobbuffet (Psychic/Ghost). It’s purple in color, with the black thing on its back now completely taking control. The black thing is ‘hugging’ its host.
• Smoochum/Jynx (Grass/Fairy)
• Remoraid/Octillery (Water/Fire). Alolan Octillery is a slimmer and taller Octillery with blue and yellow colors. It has fins on the side of its head like the handles of a turret (?). Remoraid is colored red and yellow.
• Ursaring (Normal/Psychic). It has cape-like fur on its back ans is mainly beige in color, with purple tattoo-like symbols on its chest, like a sort of face.
• Phanpy (Grass), Donphan (Grass/Steel). Phanpy is colored light yellow, almost faded yellow and has pigtails for ears, which are colored brown with a green tip. Donphan is light green colored with faded gray trunks. It has a huge dent on its back for riders. Its ears are larger than before and half of it is covered in leaves, dragging them across the ground. Alolan Donphan is significantly taller than the regular one.
• Marill/Azumarill (Water/Psychic). Azumarill is very light blue in color while its tummy and inner ears are light pink. It uses its tail as a ‘staff’ and releases water orbs from it. The tail glows in different light colors.
• Shuckle (Bug/Grass). Resides in an old green-colored coconut with brown patches. Shuckle itself is colored white. When it retracts its head and arms, vines and leaves fill the coconut holes instead to secure protection.
• Ponyta/Rapidash (Water). They now have mermaid tails, similar to a Hippocampus, and is used as a Ride Pokémon. It’s also a signature Pokémon.
• Dunsparce (Dragon/Fairy)
• There are no other Alola Forms.

If I missed some info, do notify me. Since the OP is anonymous it's a bit hard to spot which posts are his so probably missed some stuff ^^;

 

[Boss1708]

The one thing that makes me doubt this leak is Trials being postgame. If anything, Trials should be main game and gyms postgame, because... Why would a guy that just became the Champion of Alola... want to do Trials in the postgame? They are a rite of passage sort of thing, and being the Champion kinda defeats their purpose of showing your value. You have already proved yourself by being the new Poemon League Champion xD

But it is still plausible for GF to just ignore in-game logic and lore in favor of having more postgame I guess.

 

[Silktree]

With so many bosses, people will just get overlevelled and complain how the gyms are now easy.

8 Bosses with 3-4 Pokemon only give so many experience points; regular opponents with an average of two Pokemon are much more influential since there are probably around 200 of them. And considering that the SM Elite Four are 10 levels lower than the XY ones, Game Freak can afford a steeper level curve.

Totem battles might be incorporated into gyms (as prerequisites) and the Kahunas could just be the Elite Four, so the net effect would just be four more bosses prior to the league.

 

[Soki]

I agree with Meta Boss, it makes zero sense to save the Trials for postgame, there's simply no point in doing them anymore by then. It would indeed make more sense if gyms are postgame, or if both trials and gyms can be done at the same time (which would be overkill imo but you never know).

Now that I've finally had the time to actually read through this leak, there's a bunch of other things that make me seriously doubt it too:

1. You are required to catch the Island Guardians through the main story.

Being required to defeat OR catch the Guardians is one thing, but having to specifically catch all of them before you're allowed to proceed the story? I very much doubt that, or they should be made a lot easier to catch this time, but still: what would be the point of that? Having to catch the main legendary to help you defeat whatever evil you have to defeat I can understand, but catching all four Island Guardians for that purpose seems pretty useless. And the Guardians are already the protectors of the islands, they're more than capable of protecting them against evil without sitting in a Poké Ball most of the time. So it's just....pointless.

2. You’ll have to battle Aether grunts/admins to collect Zygarde Cells and Cores. Collecting these is now required to finish the main story.

Are you seriously trying to tell me that we now have to defeat 100 Aether grunts/admins to collect the cells? First of all, this would be a major change of how you find the cells and I just doubt that very much. Second of all, I doubt GF is stupid enough to force you to beat 100 grunts to collect those cells before you can proceed the story. This thing should absolutely stay an optional side quest.

3. Umbra Evolution lets Solgaleo/Lunala evolve into Ultra Solgaleo/Lunala.

They must've thought that the name 'Ultra Evolution' would sound too fake, but this sounds more fake tbh. Why call it Umbra Evolution, but name the formes Ultra Solgaleo/Lunala? A Mega Evolving Charizard gives Mega Charizard, and the Alola Form of Vulpix is Alolan Vulpix. This is how GF names things, I doubt they'd start using confusing naming now.

4. The Pikachu Park is merely a commemoration for Pikachu. It’s a place where you can leave your Pikachu and its happiness and level will increase once. It’s like a daycare exclusive for Pikachu. There are also minigames you can play in it for items.

They made a whole new location just for that? I doubt that very much.

5. Ryuki is a Dragon-type user and is the last Gym Leader in the game. He plays in a band with a few other members and disbands it right after you defeat the Gym. He goes solo to challenge the Elite Four after this and you battle him again soon after you defeat the Champion, defending your title. He becoming a Dragon-type Trial Captain postgame.

Giving Ryuki a bigger role in the game is one thing, giving him almost all the roles he could get is just overkill.

6. Island Trials are now post-game quests. The Trial sites are still there, excluding Ilima’s trial site which is now on Ten-Carat Hill. The Jungle is now a legendary site for one of the beast trio. Other trials are still there along with Mina and Acerola.

Meanwhile, the leak also says "Most Gym Leaders are old Trial Captains.". So...the Trial Captains are now both Gym Leaders and do the Trials in the post-game? They got some serious busy lives then, I doubt it.

7. There will be a Battle Cave added alongside the Battle Tree. It’s exactly like the Battle Tree but is underground and rental battles have returned.

So...it's the Battle Tree but with rental battles added? What exactly is the point of this? And this is added next to a Battle Frontier too? Seriously?

And then there's these:

• The golf course is now open to public and has a mini golf game with Kahili.
• The guy from the Fossil Restoration Center has built his park, called Archaic Grove. You can mine for fossils in a cave in it and restore them.
• Lanakila and the volcano are further expanded with interior maps and Pokémon.
• We can explore Ultra Space.
• There will be a Battle Frontier.

Which is all stuff that pretty much everyone is asking for, so of course it will not be true

 

[PkmnTrainerV]

8 Bosses with 3-4 Pokemon only give so many experience points; regular opponents with an average of two Pokemon are much more influential since there are probably around 200 of them. And considering that the SM Elite Four are 10 levels lower than the XY ones, Game Freak can afford a steeper level curve.

That was written in response to people who want both trials and gyms 15 bosses with 3-4 Pokemon give a lot of exp.

 

[StandbyForBattle]

@Soki What about the other leaks mentioning that "Mega Evolution has been renamed to Z-Forms and is activated by the new function of the bracelet", I don't think it's likely but Maybe they referring Mega Evolution working differently in the Alola Region, since they mega stone are hard to obtain in Alola (which is a reason why Mega Stones are a post-game thing only). Also this is from last month, but someone did some sort of Z-Mega Theory: /vp/ - "Z-Megas" and the New Ring - Pokémon - 4chan, Does that mean anything?

 

[PyroFarukon]

Perhaps the Trials are part of the Gym now, this way the Gym Leader could be a Trial Captain and hand down both the Z-Crystal and the Gym Badge after a battle where the Totem Pokemon could be on the Gym Leader's team.

 

[IncineROAR]

I have so many Zygarde's from my run throughs with XY, that I don't need to collect all 100 cells/cores. I transfer in one Zygarde and the job is halfway complete.