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Rumours/Fakes/Leaks Discussion Thread

Do you like fakes/leaks season?

  • I love it!

    Votes: 227 52.2%
  • Yeah

    Votes: 81 18.6%
  • Doesn't bother me

    Votes: 76 17.5%
  • No

    Votes: 20 4.6%
  • Hate it.

    Votes: 31 7.1%

  • Total voters
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TerraTF

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If this:
Aug - Z-Moves
Sep - Exclusive Z-Moves
Oct - Z-Forms

Then:
Nov - ??? (I hope that they reveal a big mystery for us to ponder till the 18th/23rd)
If we get Z-Forms in October then we likely won't get the starter2's until very late October or Early November. I could see the early October reveal being more exclusive Z-Moves with hints towards Z-Forms.
 

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The main page of that particular CoroCoro showed Rockruff and komala and komala is very likely to get an evolution. The corner of that page though, grouped the starters and Rockruff together and asked "what will they evolve into" in the same issue it was mentioned Rockruff has a secret and then the starters have secrets too. So I think it will most likely be split forms and maybe it'll be time based instead of version exclusive. Then there is also this photo I posted here... It groups together alchemy and Pokemon and everything and I have a feeling that type=Null could be a combination of the starters and maybe we will get a type=void that is either ghost, dark, psychic, or fighting type and is a combination of the leaked starter evolutions with a Reshirahm wing on its head instead of a Zekrom. Also a point of interest. Zekrom is often associated with darkness, lighting, and night so maybe type=null is a chimera of the night starters
Reason why it's likely if the starters had split forms, they would be version exclusives. We only had one other pokemon that had day and night evolutions other than Rockruff, and that's Eevee. It becomes Espeon and Umbreon because it absorbs solar and lunar energy just like what Rockruff uses to evolve. However Lycanroc's entries clearly state that there's an abundance of solar energy in Sun thanks to Solgaleo, and Lunar energy in Moon thanks to Lunala. If the starters also are able to absord solar and lunar energy to change, then they'll only be able to turn into specific form using specific abundance of energies that are in specific versions. In other words, version exclusive forms make sense.
 

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The main page of that particular CoroCoro showed Rockruff and komala and komala is very likely to get an evolution. The corner of that page though, grouped the starters and Rockruff together and asked "what will they evolve into" in the same issue it was mentioned Rockruff has a secret and then the starters have secrets too. So I think it will most likely be split forms and maybe it'll be time based instead of version exclusive. Then there is also this photo I posted here... It groups together alchemy and Pokemon and everything and I have a feeling that type=Null could be a combination of the starters and maybe we will get a type=void that is either ghost, dark, psychic, or fighting type and is a combination of the leaked starter evolutions with a Reshirahm wing on its head instead of a Zekrom. Also a point of interest. Zekrom is often associated with darkness, lighting, and night so maybe type=null is a chimera of the night starters
I think there's a possibility of this happening. It seems like corocoro is implying that the starters have split forms. We'll probably find out if it's true when the next corocoro leaks, or maybe on October 4.
 

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I know it's already been said but seeing how marketable the starters are I just can't see them being distributed amongst versions. Fair enough if they make Rockruff's version exclusive because it's some random Pokémon you can catch and is no different from any other version exclusive in the eyes of a child. Whereas the starters are meant to be your partners and should be distributed equally to all players.

Also the Chinese Leaker and the Riddler haven't even gave it a second look.
 

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Yeah, the riddler's making me think the starters's secret ain't alternate versions.
 

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I know it's already been said but seeing how marketable the starters are I just can't see them being distributed amongst versions. Fair enough if they make Rockruff's version exclusive because it's some random Pokémon you can catch and is no different from any other version exclusive in the eyes of a child. Whereas the starters are meant to be your partners and should be distributed equally to all players.

Also the Chinese Leaker and the Riddler haven't even gave it a second look.
But didn't the Chinese leaker only mention one form of rockruff's evolution? It's possible that he was playing moon version, but then again he mentioned passimian so...
 
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But he never flat out denied split forms.
True, but the picture that shows all the stuff he's said so far has no split screen for their final forms like with Lycanroc and Oricorio. That doesn't rule it out entirely, though. If there are alternate forms, I hope they have decent type combos.
 

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True, but the picture that shows all the stuff he's said so far has no split screen for their final forms like with Lycanroc and Oricorio. That doesn't rule it out entirely, though. If there are alternate forms, I hope they have decent type combos.
Well before Lycanroc was revealed, it wasn't split in two, so maybe he doesn't want to spoil it yet by splitting the final evolution boxes
 

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True, but the picture that shows all the stuff he's said so far has no split screen for their final forms like with Lycanroc and Oricorio. That doesn't rule it out entirely, though. If there are alternate forms, I hope they have decent type combos.
Of course they're not on there, split forms haven't been revealed yet. He did the same for Rockruff too. Also if they do follow suit to Rockruff's split, they'll keep the same typing on both. So Fire/Dark, Grass/Flying, and Water/Fairy
 

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Gotcha. Guess it's just wishful thinking so I don't have to trade between versions to get the ones I want =P
 

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I think the starter evos having split forms would be fun. The starters havent had anything like that before. I dont really see why its a bad idea. I dont hate all of them personally, Im alright with Popplio's and Rowlet's however I would be very interested in seeing alternate forms for them too. The only one I dont like is Litten's and even if I did like it, Id still be interested in seeing its evo get a different form.
 

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I think the starter evos having split forms would be fun. The starters havent had anything like that before. I dont really see why its a bad idea. I dont hate all of them personally, Im alright with Popplio's and Rowlet's however I would be very interested in seeing alternate forms for them too. The only one I dont like is Litten's and even if I did like it, Id still be interested in seeing its evo get a different form.
I agree it would be fun and a very cool change of pace for the usual starters. What worries most, and this I get too, is that they are, like Lycanroc, version exclusives. Specially if you already pre-order a version that ends up not having the final form you wanted the most.
 

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The version-exclusive factor wouldn't be a problem if communicating with another player (preferably not just locally) unlocked the ability to switch to the other "time zone", much like how B2W2 allowed us to switch between Black City and White Forest.
 

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The version-exclusive factor wouldn't be a problem if communicating with another player (preferably not just locally) unlocked the ability to switch to the other "time zone", much like how B2W2 allowed us to switch between Black City and White Forest.
I hadn't thought of that I have to admit. But the problem is that if they did it like in B2W2 you probably would only be able to change it post game. Which wouldn't satisfy most people.
 

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I hadn't thought of that I have to admit. But the problem is that if they did it like in B2W2 you probably would only be able to change it post game. Which wouldn't satisfy most people.
You're thinking of the difficulty settings. Black City and White Forest were interchangeable from the beginning, despite the areas themselves being restricted to the post-game.
 

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Of course they're not on there, split forms haven't been revealed yet. He did the same for Rockruff too. Also if they do follow suit to Rockruff's split, they'll keep the same typing on both. So Fire/Dark, Grass/Flying, and Water/Fairy

Umm...not really. The translation states they don't share the secret in terms of differences, but its still very possible for the secret itself to be the same in nature, just with differences between them and Rockruff. As such, I expect, for the starters, who have two evolutionary stages at all times, they will have type changes to reflect the Day or Night theme.

Rockruff had no type change, because he was more or less, I think, a preview for the starter's true power, being the first to demonstrate the concept of "Version Exclusive Evolutions", which is pretty much a new Evolution Method added to the many we already have.

Differences between Rockruff and the Starters' secret:

Rockruff:
1. Has one Evo (for what we know so far)
2. Does not change or gain a additional type

The Starters:
1. Each Alolan Starters has two evolutionary stages
2. May change/gain a additional type to their primary one

There you have their differences, yet the secret they have, is the same, but is not shared because of said differences. Also, I tend to believe this rumor as true, because if anyone paid attention to this E3's Treehouse Live segment, Gamefreak mentioned that the reason they picked the titles "Sun" and "Moon" was because of Alola having a life-theme/being full of life. Now, what is Life associated with a lot? Evolution. And Rockruff, I believe, was just serving to be a preview for the Starters' hidden evolutionary power.

I agree it would be fun and a very cool change of pace for the usual starters. What worries most, and this I get too, is that they are, like Lycanroc, version exclusives. Specially if you already pre-order a version that ends up not having the final form you wanted the most.

I can't see why its such a hassle for people not to breed/train their starters' final evolutionary forms in their respective versions and trade with someone else that has the opposite in today's society? Sure, in the NDS and earlier days, trading was a hassle, I agree, but these days, with the N3DS, this should be a thing of the past. No longer does someone need to get outside literally and trade. They can do all their stuff right in their very homes through the internet.

(of course, it sucks for those that don't have/or don't use the internet)

Exclusivity has always been a part of the games, whether someone likes it or not. It was only a matter of time, if this rumor is true of course, you would get Version Exclusive Evolutions. Heck, I even will take the bet that there will be Version Exclusive Z-Crystals too. No longer are the games just about a exclusive Legendary Pokémon or exclusive species of Pokémon. The types of exclusives is growing, just like how X and Y had exclusive Mega Stones each.

That aside for the moment, while its true that the Starters and Rockruff do not share the secret in terms of having the exact same thing, its to note that in the past, CoroCoro didn't only mention Rockruff hiding a secret in its body, but later enhanced that quote with saying they were going to feature Rockruff"s "Secret" Evolution. That is why most people are theorizing about the Starters have the same secret, but likely with several differences. I mean, why else would CoroCoro mention the words "Secret Evolution" for Rockruff in the first place?

For me, I think that quote was to foreshadow the newest Evolutionary Method, and Rockruff was to show it off in the next issue, which it did.
 
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Then there is also this photo I posted here... It groups together alchemy and Pokemon and everything and I have a feeling that type=Null could be a combination of the starters and maybe we will get a type=void that is either ghost, dark, psychic, or fighting type and is a combination of the leaked starter evolutions with a Reshirahm wing on its head instead of a Zekrom. Also a point of interest. Zekrom is often associated with darkness, lighting, and night so maybe type=null is a chimera of the night starters

I have several problems with this. To start with, I've previously already mentioned how that is not the symbol for lead. I have searched absolutely everywhere, and that symbol is never used for lead. Different symbols for lead are listed here.
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Also, about the night starters + Type:Null theory: No. I have to be frank and just say no. Firstly, look at that aquatic tail. It is not only extremely un-Popplio-like, it is also vertical, when mammal flukes are exclusively horizontal. Secondly, look at the hind legs. They are very generic, plus they have hexagonal scales on them, which, if anything, would imply a Zygarde connection. If a part of a monster was supposed to say "fire" as the fin says "water" and the talons "grass" (which is also a massive stretch, although they could be bug, but then that would have nothing to do with Rowlet, anyway), it would either be red/orange or invoke a sense of flames, such as flowing fur (think Arcanine or Flareon).

Also, to my mind, Type:Null seems like a one-off case. They certainly wouldn't make it version exclusive after giving so much news about it already. One synthetic chimera Pokemon seems special enough, two's a bit excessive, especially since they've described it as something that was made strong enough to take on a legendary.
 
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