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Rumours/Fakes/Leaks Discussion Thread

Do you like fakes/leaks season?

  • I love it!

    Votes: 227 52.2%
  • Yeah

    Votes: 81 18.6%
  • Doesn't bother me

    Votes: 76 17.5%
  • No

    Votes: 20 4.6%
  • Hate it.

    Votes: 31 7.1%

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Matleo

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I hope that we get nice type combos and abilities for the starters what ever they planed it better be good.
 

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People say this every gen, and it never ends up being true. Game Freak is if anything growing more and more creative with their designs each passing generation.
i agree i'm loving all the new designs they actually have originality and life to them!!!
 

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One leak mentioned that rockruff as 3 evo similar to Eevee in RBY and this leak was out before rockruff's evo were revealed. I think that leak isn't fake as rockruff's evo are version exclusive similar to Eevee's. If it really is true then we might get a third game.
It also mentioned that there is a easter egg in the game where you find a cave which you can't get past as of right now and it says that it is related to Kalos.
 

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rockruff's evo are version exclusive similar to Eevee's.
I don't think Eevee has ever been version exclusive. In games where it was available, you always picked up one and then evolved it into one of 3 (now 8) forms depending on the game you were playing (or if you wanted to even use one in the first place).
 

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Eevee's evolutions never were version exclusive, in RBY you could buy the three stones in Celadon, in GSC the day/night system allowed to get Espeon and Umbreon, in DPPl the Ice Rock and Moss Rock are both available to evolve Eevee into Leafeon or Glaceon. And each time the previous evolutions were still available along with the new ones. If Rockruff was to be similar to Eevee then it wouldn't have been version exclusive, that leak is most likely fake by now.
 

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They could be referring to the fact you could only get one Eevee in RBY and thus have to trade to get all the Eeveelutions, but version has no impact on that specifically and you could get any of the three Eeveelutions in either game.
 

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I can't see why its such a hassle for people not to breed/train their starters' final evolutionary forms in their respective versions and trade with someone else that has the opposite in today's society? Sure, in the NDS and earlier days, trading was a hassle, I agree, but these days, with the N3DS, this should be a thing of the past. No longer does someone need to get outside literally and trade. They can do all their stuff right in their very homes through the internet.

(of course, it sucks for those that don't have/or don't use the internet)

But some people hold sentiments with the starters. A player is mostly Forms a 'bond' or an emotional attachment with their starter Pokemon.

The players want to raise their OWN Pokemon and not get their fully evolved/trained/bred stage from the GTS. They want to see it grow before their own eyes. This is the spirit which encourages players to keep their starter at comparatively higher level than the others.

So, if people raise their starter Pokemon, they should have full right to control its evolution.
 

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But some people hold sentiments with the starters. A player is mostly Forms a 'bond' or an emotional attachment with their starter Pokemon.

The players want to raise their OWN Pokemon and not get their fully evolved/trained/bred stage from the GTS. They want to see it grow before their own eyes. This is the spirit which encourages players to keep their starter at comparatively higher level than the others.

So, if people raise their starter Pokemon, they should have full right to control its evolution.

I get that and understand, but in the end, if the rumor pans out, its likely going to be Version Exclusive , so trading/breeding will be a must either way. This is how it works with every exclusive pretty much, along with Trade Evolutions. Really, some people tend to make this into a larger problem, while in fact, its easy to solve.

Also, by the way, I wasn't talking about the GTS, knowing how infamous it is. When I mentioned "trading", I was speaking about online trades done with good friends, not with absolute strangers, or the types that tend to screw people over, or that demand the impossible, like asking for Mythicals. As such, I never used the GTS, and never will because of that nonsense. When I trade things, I do it with real-life/online friends or close collegues. That way, you can make good arrangements with one another. It never failed for me.

That said, I can understand if no one has any friends in real-life, but then again, if someone is a member of Pokémon fan-sites, that one can ask people on the forums if they are willing to assist and help them. Also, if the rumor pans out, I will hope, for everyone's wants, the evolutions, if true, are Day/Night triggered rather than being Version-exclusive.


That aside for a moment...while the Starters and Rockruff do not share the secret in terms of having the exact same thing, its to note that in the past, CoroCoro mentioned Rockruff hiding a secret in its body, and later enhanced that quote with saying they were going to feature Rockruff"s "Secret" Evolution. That is why most people are theorizing about the Starters having a similar secret. I mean, why else would CoroCoro mention the words "Secret Evolution" for Rockruff?

For me, I think that quote was to foreshadow the newest Evolutionary Method, and Rockruff was to show it off in the next issue, which it did.
 
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One thing it makes an enourmous difference about this Version Exclusive evo is: How it works. Is the evolution result triggered by game of origin (like Wurmple, for exemple, whose evolution is fixed anyway, and you can't change if it will evolves to Cascoon or Silcoon), or will it be triggered by the game of evolution (like Vivilion, whose pattern depends of the game it is evolved on)

In the first case, for the starters I feel it is bad, you will not be able to get that form with your ID/OT, will not be able to evolve your own starter to that form. But in the second case (that is what I am hoping for), if I own moon and trade it to a friend with sun, they could evolve me the form I want. And it will still have my ID/OT and stuff. Althought I don't like Version Exclusive evolution, in this second case it will be not that hard for people to get the form they want.
 

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One thing it makes an enourmous difference about this Version Exclusive evo is: How it works. Is the evolution result triggered by game of origin (like Wurmple, for exemple, whose evolution is fixed anyway, and you can't change if it will evolves to Cascoon or Silcoon), or will it be triggered by the game of evolution (like Vivilion, whose pattern depends of the game it is evolved on)

In the first case, for the starters I feel it is bad, you will not be able to get that form with your ID/OT, will not be able to evolve your own starter to that form. But in the second case (that is what I am hoping for), if I own moon and trade it to a friend with sun, they could evolve me the form I want. And it will still have my ID/OT and stuff. Althought I don't like Version Exclusive evolution, in this second case it will be not that hard for people to get the form they want.
The best way to do split starters, if we get them at all, is to do a Day Form and a Night Form. Makes no sense for them to be tied to Secret ID like Wurmple is and definitely not country of origin like Vivillon is.
 

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The best way to do split starters, if we get them at all, is to do a Day Form and a Night Form. Makes no sense for them to be tied to Secret ID like Wurmple is and definitely not country of origin like Vivillon is.
That's not what I said. I compared them to Wurmple and Vivilion, but not in the means of evolution but how it was defined to which form/pokémon it evolved in the case of them being Version Exclusives.

"Wurmple" case: The Starter will evolve to the form of the version it was catched/breed. Exemple: Popplio will evolve to Moon form if you get it on Moon. If you trade this Popplio to Sun, it will still evolve to Moon form. You can't change by any means the result of its evolution, like Wurmple.

"Vivillon" case: The Starter will evolve to the form of the version it evolved on. Exemple: Popplio was catch in Moon, and it will evolve to Moon form if you don't trade it, but if it was trade to a Sun version, it will evolve to Sun form there. The form will be tied to where it evolved, like Vivillon patterns that are definited by the country of the game it evolved on, and non from the game it originated from.
 

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Umm...not really. The translation states they don't share the secret in terms of differences, but its still very possible for the secret itself to be the same in nature, just with differences between them and Rockruff. As such, I expect, for the starters, who have two evolutionary stages at all times, they will have type changes to reflect the Day or Night theme.

Rockruff had no type change, because he was more or less, I think, a preview for the starter's true power, being the first to demonstrate the concept of "Version Exclusive Evolutions", which is pretty much a new Evolution Method added to the many we already have.

Differences between Rockruff and the Starters' secret:

Rockruff:
1. Has one Evo (for what we know so far)
2. Does not change or gain a additional type

The Starters:
1. Each Alolan Starters has two evolutionary stages
2. May change/gain a additional type to their primary one

There you have their differences, yet the secret they have, is the same, but is not shared because of said differences. Also, I tend to believe this rumor as true, because if anyone paid attention to this E3's Treehouse Live segment, Gamefreak mentioned that the reason they picked the titles "Sun" and "Moon" was because of Alola having a life-theme/being full of life. Now, what is Life associated with a lot? Evolution. And Rockruff, I believe, was just serving to be a preview for the Starters' hidden evolutionary power.

I think you might be looking to far into it. To limit one pokemon's potential to make the starters look better in comparison seems unlikely. I'm pretty the the biggest difference between the form would be just looks abilities and stats.
If you ever seen TheOneIntegral's theory video about the theme of Sun and Moon being beat vs humanoid, making the concept starters we see as the moon version forms, and the sun version forms being more beastial, or in which case 80% percent of the communities personal tastes in pokemon. Last night I actually did come up with designs for the supposed beastial forms last night, and while I personally think they don't have nearly as much personality as the concepts, these are probably what you would expect from sun version forms.


View: http://imgur.com/a/pDUUD
 

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I think you might be looking to far into it. To limit one pokemon's potential to make the starters look better in comparison seems unlikely. I'm pretty the the biggest difference between the form would be just looks abilities and stats.
If you ever seen TheOneIntegral's theory video about the theme of Sun and Moon being beat vs humanoid, making the concept starters we see as the moon version forms, and the sun version forms being more beastial, or in which case 80% percent of the communities personal tastes in pokemon. Last night I actually did come up with designs for the supposed beastial forms last night, and while I personally think they don't have nearly as much personality as the concepts, these are probably what you would expect from sun version forms.


View: http://imgur.com/a/pDUUD

Popplio3 Midday form looks more like it's dressed up at night going to sleep. Suitable for a Midnight form.
And these forms look fit for a mid-evo, not final. Props for the effort and creativity.
 

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I think you might be looking to far into it. To limit one pokemon's potential to make the starters look better in comparison seems unlikely. I'm pretty the the biggest difference between the form would be just looks abilities and stats.
If you ever seen TheOneIntegral's theory video about the theme of Sun and Moon being beat vs humanoid, making the concept starters we see as the moon version forms, and the sun version forms being more beastial, or in which case 80% percent of the communities personal tastes in pokemon. Last night I actually did come up with designs for the supposed beastial forms last night, and while I personally think they don't have nearly as much personality as the concepts, these are probably what you would expect from sun version forms.


View: http://imgur.com/a/pDUUD


Maybe I'm looking into too much, or maybe not, but its still fairly reasonable. That said, no, I disagree. it doesn't limit a Pokémon's potential at all, if they get type changes or not. It just makes sense to do, and differ it from Rockruff's same-type evolution forms. It just comes back to whether people want to train and breed their starters and trade them for the other (and I mean through usual trading, not through the GTS) .

Because if the starters had the same exact bestial/humanoid theme like Rockruff, along with the Version Exclusivity, the quote of them sharing the exact same secret pretty much applies except for the difference that one party has one Evo stage, whereas the other has two Evo Stages. Of course, that is just my thinking, seeing as a lot of people are constantly pointing out that the secret isn't "shared". If so, the secret can still be the same in nature. Its not really that far-fetched.
 
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Popplio3 Midday form looks more like it's dressed up at night going to sleep. Suitable for a Midnight form.
And these forms look fit for a mid-evo, not final. Props for the effort and creativity.
It was suppose to be a jester themed sea lion.
 

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"Vivillon" case: The Starter will evolve to the form of the version it evolved on. Exemple: Popplio was catch in Moon, and it will evolve to Moon form if you don't trade it, but if it was trade to a Sun version, it will evolve to Sun form there. The form will be tied to where it evolved, like Vivillon patterns that are definited by the country of the game it evolved on, and non from the game it originated from.

Except that Vivillon's pattern isn't defined by the region where it evolves, but by the region it is generated in. Try to evolve some Scatterbug received from the Wonder Trade and you'll see.
 

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It was suppose to be a jester themed sea lion.

I got that, but the pyjama idea seems fitting too, now that I think about it.

The design seemed a bit underdesigned to me, though. Which is still way better than overdesigned, but it did seem a bit... nondescript. Don't get me wrong though, the silhouette was good.
 

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I got that, but the pyjama idea seems fitting too, now that I think about it.

The design seemed a bit underdesigned to me, though. Which is still way better than overdesigned, but it did seem a bit... nondescript. Don't get me wrong though, the silhouette was good.
Meh I had a feeling this is what people wanted, but staying in the realms of being recognizable as the same pokemon
 

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Meh I had a feeling this is what people wanted, but staying in the realms of being recognizable as the same pokemon

In terms of design, doing what the masses expect/want (or more accurately, think they want) usually isn't a good way of going about it. Just look at Luchalitten, lol. But I can see why you'd do that.
 
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