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Rumours/Fakes/Leaks Discussion Thread

Do you like fakes/leaks season?

  • I love it!

    Votes: 227 52.2%
  • Yeah

    Votes: 81 18.6%
  • Doesn't bother me

    Votes: 76 17.5%
  • No

    Votes: 20 4.6%
  • Hate it.

    Votes: 31 7.1%

  • Total voters
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shion

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woah, this has grown a lot. Why didn't the alarm work?
Can someone help me catch up?
 

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woah, this has grown a lot. Why didn't the alarm work?
Can someone help me catch up?

Depends on when you were here last:p Best thing you can do is to read the OP, it's up to date except for the new 4chan rumors on the last few pages. Not gonna add any more 4chan rumors until we get some evidence for them, or else that OP is gonna take a whole page D: And the chance that they're fake is way too big.
 

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It seems fake, but it has an gimmicky concept that I wouldn't be surprised if Pokemon decided to do this.
Seems plausible but meh. Gamefreak never done this before lol, low probs
 

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That's true as well, as I've done these same calculations with bw/dp and it was very inconsistent. Although I feel like xy is more reliable because of international releases, gamefreak's reveal method and marketing is rather unpredictable. I really hope "larger but not by much" means 110+ rather than <90.

I actually typed up a prediction the other day for how many Pokemon we (probably) have so far. Some of it is my own gut feelings on how I think Pokemon are going to evolve though. I also included the three most credible leaks from the first post in this thread....and I included two fossil lines because I think it makes more sense to assume there will be more fossils than to assume their won't be at this point. (the last four gens have all had two fossil lines)

Rowlet
Evo 1
Evo 2
Litten
Evo 1
Evo 2
Popplio
Evo 1
Evo 2
Rockruff
Lycanroc
Komala
Evo 1
Yungoos
Gumshoos
Pikipek
Evo 1
Evo 2
Grubbin
Charjabug
Vikavolt
Prevo 1
Drampa
Bruxish
Cutiefly
Evo 1
Evo 2
Togedemaru
Salandit
Evo 1
Mimikyu
Stufful
Bewear
Wimpod
Evo 1
Bounsweet
Evo 1
Comfey
Evo 1
Mudbray
Mudsdale
Oricorio
Minior
Evo 1
Fomantis
Lurantis
Wishwashi
Sandygast
Palossand
Pyukumuku
Evo 1
Morelull
Evo 1
Prevo 1
Turtonator
Crawbrawler
Type: Null
Jangmo-o
Evo 1
Evo 2
Prevo 1
Passimian
Prevo 1
Oranguru
Snowman #1
Snowman #2
Breeding Cat #1
Breeding Cat #2
Toucan
Yukie/Kirsi
Dolphin
Fossil A #1
Fossil A #2
Fossil B #1
Fossil B #2
Tapu Koko
Tapu
Tapu
Tapu
Solgaleo
Lunala
Marshadow
Magearna
Mythical #2
Mythical #3

In total that's 85 Pokemon. That's probably not all of them....there might still be Pokemon that haven't been mentioned by the leakers....but I think that's a decent guess for now. I don't think I made any unreasonable guesses.

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Some of my reasoning:

* I gave Cutiefly two evolutions because (imo) the evolution we saw doesn't look fully evolved.

* Size isn't the only reason I think Drampa will have a prevolution. There's also the fact that it's name includes "Grandpa" which is a reference to age. Which makes me think it's likely that it will have a child/youth-like form.

* Pyukumuku evolving is something I'm not that sure about but I decided to give it an evolution for now. In it's defence I think Bruxish and Wishiwashi are very likely to be single stage Pokemon. So if Pyukumuku was also single stage than that would be three single stage water types...which might be a bit much. (not a great theory but whatever)

* Pokemon like Wimpod, Bounsweet, Comfey, Morelull, Komala, Minior and Salandit are Pokemon I expect to evolve but I'm not sure whether they'll evolve once or twice. So I left them at just once to be safe.

* I have to admit, giving Turtonator a prevolution is more of a gut feeling than anything else. It doesn't look like a single stage Pokemon. (imo)

* Crawbrawler doesn't look like it'll evolve to me and Hala uses one in his battle at level 15 so I can't see it having a prevolution either. That's why I think it's going to be a single stage Pokemon.

* Oranguru looks like it'll have a prevolution. I know we've had adult looking Pokemon pop out of eggs in the past but the majority of those Pokemon are from earlier gens. I only gave Passimian a prevolution because it's a counterpart to Oranguru. Though I was considering the possibility that when the Chinese leaker said "Rugby Monkey" they were actually referencing Passimians prevolution which possibly had less well defined lemur traits so they called it a monkey. (That's just a theory though and probably not a very good one)

It also wouldn't be unusual for them to reveal the fully evolved version exclusives first, since Reuniclus and Gothitelle were the only Pokemon from their lines revealed before the release of the 5th gen games.

* I gave Jangmo-o two evolutions going off the idea that it's the pseudo legendary.

* Aside from Magearna it's likely that we'll get at least two more mythicals. It's possible that we could get three more (like what happened in 5th gen) but I left it at Magearna+two more to be safe.

* The Snowmen, Breeding Cat, Toucan, Dolphin and Yukie/Kirsi Pokemon have been included from various credible leaks. I didn't give them evolutions unless it was stated (by the credible leaks) that they would have them.

* I think it's reasonable to include fossil Pokemon because the last four gens have had them. So it's more likely than not right now.
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It seems fake, but it has an gimmicky concept that I wouldn't be surprised if Pokemon decided to do this.

I would be very surprised. GF likes to keep a certain degree of continuity when introducing new evolutions of old Pokemon. That's why all of them came with brand new evolutionary methods that weren't possible in previous generations even when old methods would've made sense (Leafeon and the leaf stone for example). I don't see them suddenly changing their mind and retconning the fact the sun stone or the moon stone didn't work on those Pokemon before.

P.S. Yes I know about Piloswine and Lickitung being able to learn Ancient Power and Rollout before Gen IV but that was most likely an oversight rather than a retcon.
 

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I would be very surprised. GF likes to keep a certain degree of continuity when introducing new evolutions of old Pokemon. That's why all of them came with brand new evolutionary methods that weren't possible in previous generations even when old methods would've made sense (Leafeon and the leaf stone for example). I don't see them suddenly changing their mind and retconning the fact the sun stone or the moon stone didn't work on those Pokemon before. P.S. Yes I know about Piloswine and Lickitung being able to learn Ancient Power and Rollout before Gen IV but that was most likely an oversight rather than a retcon.

To be fair they could just throw out something silly like the influence of Solgaleo/Lunala allows X Pokemon to evolve using a Sun/Moon stone when they couldn't before.

They've already pulled that card for Lycanroc.
 

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Why do people think that Comfey will evolve? I think that it'll be like Klefki.

Actually that's another of the Pokemon I'm not so sure about evolving. (I probably should have included that in my prediction)

I could see it going either way right now but I'm kinda leaning towards it evolving.
 

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To be fair they could just throw out something silly like the influence of Solgaleo/Lunala allows X Pokemon to evolve using a Sun/Moon stone when they couldn't before.

They've already pulled that card for Lycanroc.

Yeah but that would still be a retcon. They would obviously have to keep the new evolutions in future generations (set far from Alola) so that wouldn't explain why we weren't able to get them before.
 

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I think they are really true, so there are no version exclusive evolutions for starters.
http://i.********/vp/1474854386082.png
 

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That possible Pokedex is awesome, thanks for your great work. My only really strong rebuttal to any of your points is that Hawaii is relatively new, geologically speaking - it's five million years old - so it has very few fossils and therefore I'm not expecting Alola to have fossil Pokemon.
 

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Just because Hawaii has few fossils, doesn't mean that Alola will have no fossils. Game Freak haven't always used the real-world location for inspiration for Pokemon in the region.
 

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I think they are really true, so there are no version exclusive evolutions for starters.
http://i.********/vp/1474854386082.png

Though that does reference the very credible chinese leaks, I'm wondering if they were good guesses as well. Rockruff -> werewolf I mean rockruff is a canid so why not? Marshadow --> unique type combo well.. any legendary pokemon name can sound like that should have a unique type combo. The diamond is an easy guess... GF really does like the idea of collectible stones.

"your goal is to actually create one" not true (as of now). e4 - not necessarily we have kahunas but not e4 and they only appear after you complete all trials on each specific island, rather than complete them in general.

So I think it is mostly accurate.

Really though what builds the most credibility in this leak is Litten's design that features Mallow. Perhaps this was an artist who was fired at an early stage and got the details 80% or what they were at the time before the release.

Exactly - France has no lions, New York has no monkeys, Hawaii has no koalas.

Not in the wild, anyway.

I think they take what it means to be a region a bit more loosely than what we're used to. Despite those exemptions the starters (less so with Greninja, but he is the Japanese equivalent of a rogue and besides the French have been fascinated with the Japanese since the beginnings of Impressionism), Honedge and his line, Aromatisse, Slurpuff, Meowstic, Bunnelby, Fletchling, Flabebe, Sylveon, Dedenne, Furfrou, and Klefki are all very French. Carbink and Hawlucha are spanish in origin, but European I guess.

Oshawott+ evos, Braviary, Mandibuzz, Bouffalant, Patrat, Lilipup, Deerling+Sawsbuck, Ducklet, Swanna, Emolga, Scolipede line, Excadrill, Cinccino (chinchillas are from south america), beartic, are very american (even if some are from the western parts of the country/continent). It seems like the Pokemon company was using New York's melting pot cliche to blend the various parts of North America into one, sort of like showing what the Americas have to offer.
 
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Though that does reference the very credible chinese leaks

It doesn't just reference the Chinese leak; it *is* the Chinese leak, just restated and paired with the Starter evolution pictures.

Just because Hawaii has few fossils, doesn't mean that Alola will have no fossils. Game Freak haven't always used the real-world location for inspiration for Pokemon in the region.

Exactly - France has no lions, New York has no monkeys, Hawaii has no koalas.

Not in the wild, anyway.

This point is brought up every time somebody mentions the "no fossils" idea, but again, I don't think anybody who suggests foregoing fossils is unaware of this. They are, like I usually am, simply floating the possibility that they could use Hawaii's relative lack of fossils as an influence, since they've been doing that quite a bit.
 

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It seems fake, but it has an gimmicky concept that I wouldn't be surprised if Pokemon decided to do this.
Not believing it yet, since they are investing in Alolan forms.
But Sun Moon is breaking many traditions. So it can still be true imo.
 

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It doesn't just reference the Chinese leak; it *is* the Chinese leak, just restated and paired with the Starter evolution pictures.

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No kidding, If you read what I said, I'm saying it could be possible that it isn't 100% accurate as later detailed emerged that disproved the e4 hypothesis
 

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Just because Hawaii has few fossils, doesn't mean that Alola will have no fossils. Game Freak haven't always used the real-world location for inspiration for Pokemon in the region.
Not saying it's a cast-iron fact, just my speculation based on real-world facts. And like others said, no they don't always use the real-world location to the letter, but they certainly use it to influence designs.
 

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Funnily enough, way back in the early days in this thread, I mentioned anything with Ash-Greninja in it is suspicious. We haven't seen anything about it since then.
 
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