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Rumours/Fakes/Leaks Discussion Thread

Do you like fakes/leaks season?

  • I love it!

    Votes: 227 52.2%
  • Yeah

    Votes: 81 18.6%
  • Doesn't bother me

    Votes: 76 17.5%
  • No

    Votes: 20 4.6%
  • Hate it.

    Votes: 31 7.1%

  • Total voters
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Mitchman

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Maybe, just maybe, for new Megas and Old, if there is a correspondent Z Crystal slotted in as well, there is a special Z Mechanism in place, synchronizing the two.
 

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He mentions before Z-ring announced, after that, still no one linking it together.
 
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Why will we get Z-forms when we already got Alola forms? Doesn't Sun and Moon have enough already?

If Sun and Moon really serve as 20th anniversary celebration (remember the first announcement said ''it all comes together in Sun and Moon'') why wouldn't they go all out and give us Z-Forms as well? I still believe Ash-Greninja wasn't just created to give Ash his own unique Pokemon, they did it for a reason.
 
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OK, I'm doing this from my phone, so bear with me. I found two symbols. One is the letter "Z", the other meaning human in clerkly, running, and standard script. This is as close as I can get to the Riddler's image. Now, I interpret it as Complete Zygarde, "Human Z". If this is true, that means it has an exclusive Z-move or Z-form, the latter I'm doubting myself, but I wouldn't put it past GF with everything already in SM. It's only a theory, but could definitely be a viable idea IMO. Anyone else consider this?
 

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OK, I'm doing this from my phone, so bear with me. I found two symbols. One is the letter "Z", the other meaning human in clerkly, running, and standard script. This is as close as I can get to the Riddler's image. Now, I interpret it as Complete Zygarde, "Human Z". If this is true, that means it has an exclusive Z-move or Z-form, the latter I'm doubting myself, but I wouldn't put it past GF with everything already in SM. It's only a theory, but could definitely be a viable idea IMO. Anyone else consider this?

Or maybe, "Human Z" = Z-Forms/"Synchro", where the human and Pokémon are fully synchronized

I swear I'm not doing this on purpose
 

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Or maybe, "Human Z" = Z-Forms/"Synchro", where the human and Pokémon are fully synchronized

I swear I'm not doing this on purpose
Ash-Greninja (and I mean the transformation in this case) is not anime-exclusive. I never believed that. They wouldn't make something this mysterious (we still don't fully know what it is, other than a official name) and only put it in the anime. Impossible.
 

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Its a stretch, but at this point any deciphering of the riddles is. Considering my earlier idea, its always shown that your Pokemon needs to hold a crystal, which I assume slots into the Z Ring, correct? But if it also doubles as a Mega Ring, it would hold something that is a permanent fixture, as megas require a pair of stones, and not a single, like the Z Crystaliums. So I wonder, if there is a Z Mechanic that is basically Mega Evo+, I wonder if the Z Ring has an option to slot in a Z Crystalium automatically so that the Pokemon can hold its Meganite.

For example, take the Ash-Greninja Conundrum just mentioned. If it holds a Greninjite, then perhaps there is a Slot option from the menu to put Greninjium Z into the bracelet as well. It sounds like something extrenely OP, but I can see them using both to reach something more, as it would require a Human Side(Key Stone bonding the trainers energy to the Pokemon), and the Z Crystalium for the Pokemon Side(tapping in to its elemental properties). As for the distinction between a Mega and a Z Mega, the requirement would likely be a huge risk like the trainer fainting from no HP, and perhaps a cooldown right after the useage of the Z Move, reverting it to the normal form. Perhaps even a move timer, as in if you do not use the Z Move within 5 turns, your energy runs out. So you come out with these options:
Run the mega for as long as it last, XYORAS style
Use the Z Move, lose the use of a mega, SM style
Use both the Mega and the Z move, but with a risk of losing both without usage, or running wild on the opponents team before unleashing an extremely powerful move.
 
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Its a stretch, but at this point any deciphering of the riddles is. Considering my earlier idea, its always shown that your Pokemon needs to hold a crystal, which I assume slots into the Z Ring, correct? But if it also doubles as a Mega Ring, it would hold something that is a permanent fixture, as megas require a pair of stones, and not a single, like the Z Crystaliums. So I wonder, if there is a Z Mechanic that is basically Mega Evo+, I wonder if the Z Ring has an option to slot in a Z Crystalium automatically so that the Pokemon can hold its Meganite.

It's an interesting idea, although the wording about Z-Crystals on the official site is a bit unclear:

> "The Z-Ring fits on a Trainer’s arm, and Z-Crystals are set into it. If a Pokémon holds the same variety of Z-Crystal, the two will be able to resonate with one another. Crystals that correspond to each Pokémon type have been found in the Alola region."

Doesn't that sound like there already need to be two Z-Crystals, one to be set in the Trainer's Z-Ring and one for the Pokémon to hold?
 

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That is what I am basing it on actually. Its weird that there has to be a pair, when it looks to be so far that beyond the dance, its all on the Pokemon for the energy needed. Read my example above on how it could work.
 

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It's an interesting idea, although the wording about Z-Crystals on the official site is a bit unclear:

> "The Z-Ring fits on a Trainer’s arm, and Z-Crystals are set into it. If a Pokémon holds the same variety of Z-Crystal, the two will be able to resonate with one another. Crystals that correspond to each Pokémon type have been found in the Alola region."

Doesn't that sound like there already need to be two Z-Crystals, one to be set in the Trainer's Z-Ring and one for the Pokémon to hold?
It certainly does. Maybe the two Z-Crystals combine to form one temporarily and thus grant the holder a Z-Form?
 

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That is what I am basing it on actually. Its weird that there has to be a pair, when it looks to be so far that beyond the dance, its all on the Pokemon for the energy needed. Read my example above on how it could work.

Well, I do like your idea as far as the suggested mechanics go. It does make sense. But it also implies, by virtue of the existence of a proposed "Greninjite," that any Pokémon with Z-Forms would also be receiving a Mega Evolution, which just feels sort of weird to me. Granted, it's probably because I've kind of already committed to the thought that there won't be any new Mega Evolutions in these games, but I guess I could still end up being surprised.

Or perhaps it's the inverse - Z-Forms could be triggered by having the Pokémon hold a specialized Z-Crystal, while the human invokes a Key Stone in their Z-Ring? Clearly there are Z-Crystals that are, for whatever reason, calibrated toward specific Pokémon, just like Mega Stones. Maybe what we can infer from that is that the signature Z-Crystals contain the same kind of individualized energy as Mega Stones, and are therefore able to sync with Key Stones (which convert and transmit human energy) as well? And it's the combination of human energy and specialized elemental energy that results in a transformation that is different from Mega Evolution, where the ingredients involved are human energy and specialized life energy.
 
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If Sun and Moon really serve as 20th anniversary celebration (remember the first announcement said ''it all comes together in Sun and Moon'') why wouldn't they go all out and give us Z-Forms as well? I still believe Ash-Greninja wasn't just created to give Ash his own unique Pokemon, they did it for a reason.
Why would we get a form that causes us to lose a battle instantly if the pokemon faints? That makes Ash-Greninja useless as it would only hinder our teams rather than help us. Also Ash doesn't exist in the games and neither does his Greninja. Also they can't go out with SM because there be another pair of main series game after it that would have to be better.
 

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If it is something like Ash-Greninja part of me think it won't be possible to keep the human part designs on the pokemon since they'd have to keep that up for future generations. This actually brings up an old theory I had back when I thought super moves would be the new mechanic for the games. I thought there would be forms that occur similar to pokken. For those who don't know, when a pokemon goes through Burst, they actually synchronize with their trainer in order to gain more power temporarily similar to Ash-Greninja. However, for those who can't mega evolve they gain slight alterations in their looks. For example, Pikachu gains a blue aura along with it's cheeks constantly glowing blue and sparking, parts of Weavile's body gets frozen over, and Machamp turn boiling red with steam coming off him. So if z-forms are a thing, they'd probably only be slight alterations on the pokemon's form while making them more powerful. And Mitchman has a good idea running on how the mechanics could work, since it's also similar to burst.
 

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Look @Esserise, it might actually just happen.. Z-Forms!

So, from the mentioned translation, did he ever provide a Kanji before? I wonder how much people from here can "interact" with him.. I've seen him respond to replies sometimes.

EDIT: Cresselia (from Smogon) posted:
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnbjhQBK4dg
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And she makes it sound like we are having information tomorrow??
 

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Well, I do like your idea as far as the suggested mechanics go. It does make sense. But it also implies, by virtue of the existence of a proposed "Greninjite," that any Pokémon with Z-Forms would also be receiving a Mega Evolution, which just feels sort of weird to me. Granted, it's probably because I've kind of already committed to the thought that there won't be any new Mega Evolutions in these games, but I guess I could still end up being surprised.

Or perhaps it's the inverse - Z-Forms could be triggered by having the Pokémon hold a specialized Z-Crystal, while the human invokes a Key Stone in their Z-Ring? Clearly there are Z-Crystals that are, for whatever reason, calibrated toward specific Pokémon, just like Mega Stones. Maybe what we can infer from that is that the signature Z-Crystals contain the same kind of individualized energy as Mega Stones, and are therefore able to sync with Key Stones (which convert and transmit human energy) as well? And it's the combination of human energy and specialized elemental energy that results in a transformation that is different from Mega Evolution, where the ingredients involved are human energy and specialized life energy.
Of course not all Pokemon with a Z Crystal gain a mega, much like not all Pokemon with a Mega gain a Z Crystal. Pikachu and Eevee for example. I think what we are missing exactly, is just what Z Crystals are, and we can't really say. I just think that if Pokemon specific Z crystals can exist, there must be a property beyond being moves behind them that works much like mega evolution, and that same energy in extreme cases can be dual wielded for something more. Resembling the Kanji for perfect is actually a big eye opener. Perfect Zygarde, Z Moves, Mega Evolution, I wonder if it all adds up to my theory, and ends up being Perfect Mega Evolution.
 
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