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Rumours/Fakes/Leaks Discussion Thread

Do you like fakes/leaks season?

  • I love it!

    Votes: 227 52.2%
  • Yeah

    Votes: 81 18.6%
  • Doesn't bother me

    Votes: 76 17.5%
  • No

    Votes: 20 4.6%
  • Hate it.

    Votes: 31 7.1%

  • Total voters
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Esserise

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But honestly I think the problem is trying to 1:1 any of this. It seems far more likely to me that all 3 are an amalgam of a variety of ideas...

I agree with you in that they probably are a mish-mash of concepts. I just think that the Yggdrasil theory in particular is profoundly ineffective when it comes to making any meaningful connections. Either, as in the case of Xerneas and Yveltal, because there are vastly more fitting comparisons out there, or, as in the case of Zygarde, because its characterization is diametrically opposed to that of the mythological figure it is said to emulate. I did offer some credit to the Jormangand idea, of course, because I don't think it's totally implausible. But I've come to think that we tend to read too deeply into these things in general. I really could see it being a simple matter of them looking for X-, Y-, and Z-shaped Pokémon, deciding on a stag and a bird for the first two beause of their common connections to life and death and conveniently X- and Y-like body shapes, and then just defaulting to a snake (because what else are you going to use for a Z-shaped animal?) for Zygarde because that Forme didn't actually have to mean anything since they weren't going to make a corresponding Z game.
 

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I think they just put their own spin on classic mythology, like they did with Hoenn.

Behemoth is supposed to be more of a elephant/hippo thing than a dinosaur, and leviathan is described as more of a serpent/crocodile thing than a whale - but it's also pretty clear that Groudon and Kyogre draw their inspiration from the two of them and their proposed apocalyptic struggle.
 
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The closest kanji to a pure Z is 'the second' in the form of number two, not pertaining to time. A few with the triangle top but nothing extremely similar to that exact design yet.
 

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October 4th just being the announcement of a demo wouldn't surprise me at all lol, the announcement has to happen some time and if it isn't potentially tomorrow or the 4th October it will be sometime in the near future, so the quicker we get it over and done with the better.
 

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October 4th just being the announcement of a demo wouldn't surprise me at all lol, the announcement has to happen some time and if it isn't potentially tomorrow or the 4th October it will be sometime in the near future, so the quicker we get it over and done with the better.
Agreed
 

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Z forms sound ridiculous and fake in my opinion. We got Z moves, Alola forms and Ultra Beasts. No need for anymore things in the game.
 

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Where did this Z-Form idea even come from?

But I am curious now about what's going on and what GameFreak is going to have in store for us. Worse case scenario we'll wait until the 4th's announcement.
 

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Where did this Z-Form idea even come from?

Mostly stems from Ash-Greninja and the question of whether or not it will be in the game. The highly credible Chinese leak says that it will be, and that it changes into that form via a Z-Crystal.

On top of that, the anime has shown that Ash-Greninja can use a special super-sized Water Shuriken attack which, oh, how convenient that SM are also introducing not only Z-Moves but also signature Z-Moves that require a specific Pokémon to know a specific move... like Greninja and Water Shuriken, perhaps?

Put two and two together = Z-Forms
 

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Where did this Z-Form idea even come from?

But I am curious now about what's going on and what GameFreak is going to have in store for us. Worse case scenario we'll wait until the 4th's announcement.

Ash-Greninja. Z-Form explains the phenomenon where the Pokemon gets stronger form and move through their bond.. That's why ash-greninja gets stronger and gets giant shuriken.

In mega, it's only form (stats/abilities), no new move. We also had mega x and y already with charizard and mewtwo, so I don't mind completing it with z-form.

I guess the fair trade off would be to make z-forms only aesthetic and z-move, and slight stat boost maybe, no ability change. To differentiate it with mega with some changing ability and a hundred points stat boost.. Except alakazam, which I hope they'd fix.

Edit: ash-greninja'd by @Esserise ;p
 

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At this point, I just want them to talk a bit about Z-forms so that we can get a better idea of it. Right now, we only have the sparse details that the anime has been feeding us, and considering the anime can be loose in its interpretation of game elements (ex. Kyurem's forms, Mega Mewtwo Y, etc.), some of the aspects of Ash-Greninja could easily be embellished to an extent.

I think they just put their own spin on classic mythology, like they did with Hoenn.

Behemoth is supposed to be more of a elephant/hippo thing than a dinosaur, and leviathan is described as more of a serpent/crocodile thing than a whale - but it's also pretty clear that Groudon and Kyogre draw their inspiration from the two of them and their proposed apocalyptic struggle.

The problem with that comparison is that even though the Behemoth is described to be a hippo (the Leviathan has actually been considered to be a whale in some accounts), Groudon and Kyogre still fit the thematic set for their conflict. They're a large land and water beast that are destined to fight over their realm of dominion, which still clearly draws from their biblical inspiration. So it's easy to see where the two legends get their basis without having to look too deeply into it. Xerneas and Yveltal (and Zygarde as a part of the group) really have nothing of the sort for their supposed Norse counterparts. There's no general shared thematic as Yggrasil isn't present or things like the squirrel, they don't match their respective basis' personalities or roles at all as Yvetal has nothing to do with secrets or sending harsh messages to Zygarde, Xerneas as mentioned before gives life and doesn't harm it like the deers do with Yggdrasil, and Zygarde is as far as you can get from an omnicidal dragon gnawing at the roots of the tree. The only thing that really connects the three to the Norse myth is that they share the same animal basis, but that's not enough on its own as there are many mythologies with those same animals (or the animals were just good fits for the concept GF drew up, which isn't hard to believe).

I do agree that Pokémon doesn't have to be 1:1 in terms of their representation, but I don't think Xerneas, Yveltal, or Zygarde (as far as Nighogg is concerned) would still fly even with that in mind. They're way too loose of an interpretation and they don't draw enough from Norse mythology for the connection to really be strong, and for that reason I feel the Norse theory is severely lacking as far as those three are concerned (I will concede Jormungandr for the same reasons as Esserise, but that one has little to do with Yggdrasil).
 

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I said the Riddler meant we are getting stuff tomorrow.
But some other people said Riddler didn't mean that, and meant "soon".
I'm starting to think the same things as you. At first, it makes me confused but now I think he said "today is the night before announcements day" (he posted this morning = evening in China)
 
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@Esserise and @Kevzo8; Oh okay! Sorry I've been fairly busy so I haven't been around as much as I'd like too, so thanks for clearing that up!
 

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Out of curiosity, anything in the leaks that anyone is eagerly awaiting confirmation on? Personally, the one I'm most hoping to see is the 2-stage breeder cat. Just wondering what anyone else is dying to see. XD
 
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Out of curiosity, anything in the leaks that anyone is eagerly awaiting confirmation on? Personally, the one I'm most hoping to see is the 2-stage breeder cat. Just wondering what anyone else is dying to see. XD

Where was it confirmed that the breeding cat is 2-stage? I'm sure I've heard the same, but I can't remember the source.

Personally I think Type: Null might be the breeding cat, but that's assuming it's feline to begin with.
 

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Where was it confirmed that the breeding cat is 2-stage? I'm sure I've heard the same, but I can't remember the source.

Personally I think Type: Null might be the breeding cat, but that's assuming it's feline to begin with.

It's part of the 4chan leak:

"There is a 2-stage cat Pokémon that is normal when captured in the wild, but it will inherit the father’s primary type as its 2nd type when hatched; the color/pattern varies by type (think Vivillion)."

I really doubt that Type:Null is the breeding cat, since it's a chimera so it's really only part cat if any bit feline. Plus Type: Null is apparently genderless? Unless it can breed with anything like Ditto, genderless usually means that it only can breed with Ditto.

Plus honestly, I'd be really disappointed if it was the breeding cat. XD But I just can't see how it would be.
 

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Out of curiosity, anything in the leaks that anyone is eagerly awaiting confirmation on? Personally, the one I'm most hoping to see is the 2-stage breeder cat. Just wondering what anyone else is dying to see. XD

You can probably guess my #1 given how much I've nattered on about them these last few pages. :p

I'm curious about the part of the Chinese leak that mentions the formation of a League. It seems, at least on paper, rather unfitting for the Alola region as we know it thus far, and I don't see why that would be the ultimate "goal" of the game. Perhaps the leaker was just misunderstanding something? Or maybe it's more of a sidequest?

I also want to know, assuming it's legit, what the July 15th 4chan leak meant about Pokémon from the VCs having "pre-Gen 6 typings and stats." It seems pointless and needlessly complicating, and I'd like to have that cleared up.

I'm honestly perfectly happy with the leaked Starter evolutions, but I suppose I would be curious to see alternative forms for them if they do indeed exist. I won't be at all broken up about it if they don't, though.

Oh, and it's not exactly from a leak, per se, but I'd love to know what's up with Eternal Floette. You know, if it were just the model itself that existed in the coding of XY, then I wouldn't even think twice about it. But the fact that it has heightened stats and its own signature move, which seems like too big of a deal to be left in the beta realm, really has me wondering if they have plans to make it formally available, and if so, then in what context? I don't think it would be an Alola Form, as those are limited to Gen I Pokémon (and it wouldn't explain Eternal Floette's inability to breed, either). I'm not in any way opposed to having another new variant of Pokémon around. I'm just really curious to know what's going on with that one. We have Zygarde's Formes and signature moves, we know that the Strange Souvenir Pokémon will be included, we probably have Ash-Greninja - it seems like Eternal Floette is the only remaining loose end with no hint of being included.

Oh and will there be a Battle Frontier? I wouldn't really use it myself, but I know that tons of people would love to see it and if ever there were a time to try to please as many people as possible...

Where was it confirmed that the breeding cat is 2-stage? I'm sure I've heard the same, but I can't remember the source.

It wasn't "confirmed," but the leak that first mentioned it (that is, the July 15th 4chan leak) described it as being a two-stage line.
 

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Out of curiosity, anything in the leaks that anyone is eagerly awaiting confirmation on? Personally, the one I'm most hoping to see is the 2-stage breeder cat. Just wondering what anyone else is dying to see. XD

Is there even a combination of 2 egg groups that feature Pokemon that can be male of all 18 types?
 
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