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Rumours/Fakes/Leaks Discussion Thread

Do you like fakes/leaks season?

  • I love it!

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  • Doesn't bother me

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  • No

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  • Hate it.

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I'm curious about the part of the Chinese leak that mentions the formation of a League. It seems, at least on paper, rather unfitting for the Alola region as we know it thus far, and I don't see why that would be the ultimate "goal" of the game. Perhaps the leaker was just misunderstanding something? Or maybe it's more of a sidequest?

I really want to know more about the forming a league thing, too! It's a really intriguing concept. And I think it maybe does seem unfitting for the Alola region, but it can make some sense if you put it in the context of the story for the Japanese trailers with the young boy who just moved to Hawaii- especially that Minior one with all the feels. He's learning his new friends' culture and sharing some of his. Perhaps, as the protagonist who just recently moved to Alola, we travel the region making friends and learning about Alola and then share "our culture" by introducing a pokemon league to the region.

I also want to know, assuming it's legit, what the July 15th 4chan leak meant about Pokémon from the VCs having "pre-Gen 6 typings and stats." It seems pointless and needlessly complicating, and I'd like to have that cleared up.

That does seem ridiculous, yeah, and is one of the things that really makes me question if that leak is really legit, as much as I want the breeder cat to be a thing. I can see giving pre-Gen 6 learnsets, maybe, but it feels wrong to have pre-Gen 6 stats and typings, and once you transfer a pokemon to a newer version I don't even think it should still be following the earlier generation's learnset either. It sounds really horribly complicated and like something that just shouldn't be done.

Oh, and it's not exactly from a leak, per se, but I'd love to know what's up with Eternal Floette. You know, if it were just the model that existed in the coding of XY, then I wouldn't even think twice about it. But the fact that it has heightened stats and its own signature move, which seems like too big of a deal to be left in the beta realm, really has me wondering if they have plans to make it formally available, and if so, then in what context? I don't think it would be an Alola Form, as those are limited to Gen I Pokémon (and it wouldn't explain Eternal Floette's inability to breed, either). I'm not in any way opposed to having another new variant of Pokémon around. I'm just really curious to know what's going on with that one. We have Zygarde's Formes and signature moves, we know that the Strange Souvenir Pokémon will be included, we probably have Ash-Greninja - it seems like Eternal Floette is the only remaining bit with no hint of being included.

Oh man, I forgot about Eternal Floette, that does seem like something of a loose end. That could tie into my thoughts regarding a possible return to Kalos, if there was a plot involving Eternal Floette in some way.

Is there even a combination of 2 egg groups that feature Pokemon that can be male of all 18 types?

At the present time... nnnoooo... one of the reasons I'm hoping for but not holding my breath for the breeder cat. But it is a generation with a bunch of new pokemon being introduced, too, so if there is any hope for it, it'd be because they just introduced either a pokemon that changes type to go with the cat or enough pokemon to fill an egg group (probably field) with every type.

Oh, or it just wasn't meant to be available in every type either. Guess I can't rule that one out.
 
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Even if the breeder cat turns out to not be a load of baloney, I'd probably just use Ditto for my Pokémon breeding needs. What does the cat even apparently offer over our favorite failed Mew clone pink blob anyway?
 
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I'm curious about the part of the Chinese leak that mentions the formation of a League. It seems, at least on paper, rather unfitting for the Alola region as we know it thus far, and I don't see why that would be the ultimate "goal" of the game. Perhaps the leaker was just misunderstanding something? Or maybe it's more of a sidequest?

Hmm... rather than creating a League what if after you've completed the main story you get to make your own Island Trial or Trials. Like after completing the story you get free reign of an island in postgame and are able to create your own Island Trial, like selecting which characters are in it and how it will be accomplished. Honestly I don't think they will let us go to crazy but creating your own Island trial fits a lot better with Alola than creating a league.
 

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Hmm... rather than creating a League what if after you've completed the main story you get to make your own Island Trial or Trials. Like after completing the story you get free reign of an island in postgame and are able to create your own Island Trial, like selecting which characters are in it and how it will be accomplished. Honestly I don't think they will let us go to crazy but creating your own Island trial fits a lot better with Alola than creating a league.
Reminds me of how you could essentially create your own gym within your Super Secret Base in ORAS. I did that and even had a trio of Ghost types for my trainer avatar to use, it was fun.

Yeah, I'd approve of this being post-game material.
 

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Is there even a combination of 2 egg groups that feature Pokemon that can be male of all 18 types?
At present, no.

Field covers all types but Rock, Flying, Dragon, Ghost, Bug. Rockruff/Lycanroc will almost certainly be Field group though (every other dog is) so we're really left looking for Flying, Dragon, Ghost, Bug.

Because Noivern and Tornadus are the only Pokemon with primary Flying type, it'd need to be in the Flying egg group to get Flying. We'd also get Dragon in this Egg group from Altaria, but no Bug or Ghost.

Your next best bet after Field is probably Mineral. It covers Ghost (Cofagrigus) and Bug (Dwebble). It also has plenty of Rocks in the baffling scenario that Rockruff is not in the Field group. While that doesn't give us Flying and Dragon, it would at least complete every possible Normal/??? combination thanks to the abundance of Normal/Flyings and Drampa filling in for Normal/Dragon.

If Cutiefly and Mimikyu both make it into the Fairy Egg group, that'd be a good contender too, both are /Fairy and provide Ghost and Bug to the breeding pool. Given Mimikyu is trying to copy Pikachu, I wouldn't be surprised if it got both Fairy and Field (Pikachu's groups), in which case Field would get Ghost too. But that's entirely speculation.
 
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Even if the breeder cat turns out to not be a load of baloney, I'd probably just use Ditto for my Pokémon breeding needs. What does the cat even apparently offer over our favorite failed Mew clone pink blob anyway?

XD The cat supposedly breeds a version of itself that is a different type depending on the father. Different concept from ditto, really.
 

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I don't know if that breeding cat thing would work to be honest. It seems a bit complicated. I still think the whole create/form your own league is ridiculous and absurd in my opinion. And no, ORAS did not allowed you to make a gym. All it had was gym statues but that was far from being a proper gym which is a building and not in a cave or tree.
 

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And no, ORAS did not allowed you to make a gym. All it had was gym statues but that was far from being a proper gym which is a building and not in a cave or tree.
Blaine would like a word with you on that point.

You have a few trainers, you can place yourself at the end of an obstacle course, they even outright advertised the ORAS bases as a chance to build a gym when they were first announced. All we lacked was a badge.
 

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I don't know if that breeding cat thing would work to be honest. It seems a bit complicated. I still think the whole create/form your own league is ridiculous and absurd in my opinion. And no, ORAS did not allowed you to make a gym. All it had was gym statues but that was far from being a proper gym which is a building and not in a cave or tree.
I don't think the cat sounds that complicated, really, the game just needs to be able to tell what primary type the father is and produce an offspring with that as its secondary type.

Assuming that it were to have a single, wide movepool, the mechanic would allow you to pick what types of attacks it gets STAB from, as well as semi-customize what type strengths and weaknesses it has. If it were real, I could see it being a great concept for competitive play, as people would have so much to work with in figuring out what would be the best type/move combo for the cat to have to be a formidable battler.

Heck, I'd dismiss the concept entirely if it didn't sound so simplistic and intriguingly viable.
 

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I really want to know more about the forming a league thing, too! It's a really intriguing concept. And I think it maybe does seem unfitting for the Alola region, but it can make some sense if you put it in the context of the story for the Japanese trailers with the young boy who just moved to Hawaii- especially that Minior one with all the feels. He's learning his new friends' culture and sharing some of his. Perhaps, as the protagonist who just recently moved to Alola, we travel the region making friends and learning about Alola and then share "our culture" by introducing a pokemon league to the region.

Ah, that's a very good point. I hadn't thought about it like that, and that does warm me up to the idea. Though I'm still iffy on it being the primary goal of the games after the Island Trials. I kinda like the idea of it being a post-game sidequest.

That does seem ridiculous, yeah, and is one of the things that really makes me question if that leak is really legit, as much as I want the breeder cat to be a thing. I can see giving pre-Gen 6 learnsets, maybe, but it feels wrong to have pre-Gen 6 stats and typings, and once you transfer a pokemon to a newer version I don't even think it should still be following the earlier generation's learnset either. It sounds really horribly complicated and like something that just shouldn't be done.

Precisely. Plus, if there were anything like that going on, I feel like they would have covered it in the recent Pokémon Bank update news? I mean, I know it's a bunch of technical jargon that a lot of fans probably don't care about or understand, but I feel like they would have at least said something, you know? "Pokémon transferred from the Virtual Console games retain their original types! Wow!" would have sufficed.

Oh man, I forgot about Eternal Floette, that does seem like something of a loose end. That could tie into my thoughts regarding a possible return to Kalos, if there was a plot involving Eternal Floette in some way.

Personally I don't really see us going back to Kalos, but I suppose there could be a kind of subplot to it (not that they necessarily *need* one, what with how most Mythical Pokémon are lore-less direct-downloads these days - they could just say, "It's AZ's Floette, and it knows a special move! Get yours today!", but I would definitely prefer it if they did more with it, and with Mythical Pokémon in general). Then again, Magearna's biography on the official site gives me very strong AZ vibes, so maybe he'll show up and provide background on the both of them simultaneously.
 

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Out of curiosity, anything in the leaks that anyone is eagerly awaiting confirmation on? Personally, the one I'm most hoping to see is the 2-stage breeder cat. Just wondering what anyone else is dying to see. XD
I just want to see the dolphin!! :)
 

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XD The cat supposedly breeds a version of itself that is a different type depending on the father. Different concept from ditto, really.

For some reason I think the cat can be in ditto's own egg group where it can breed with any egg group that can breed to accommodate all possible type.

If the cat is pure normal to begin with, it just needs to breed with a normal type to be a pure normal again. And the cat can be female only for this gimmick. In essence we'll get a complete part normal combination.

I also think we'll have oricorio-esque forms for this cat.
 

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Assuming that it were to have a single, wide movepool, the mechanic would allow you to pick what types of attacks it gets STAB from, as well as semi-customize what type strengths and weaknesses it has. If it were real, I could see it being a great concept for competitive play, as people would have so much to work with in figuring out what would be the best type/move combo for the cat to have to be a formidable battler.
Haha, we could just use the so called "breeder cat" for battles instead of its breeding gimmick if its stats support this! I'm against that rumor but this would be a hilarious outcome!
 

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Haha, we could just use the so called "breeder cat" for battles instead of its breeding gimmick if its stats support this! I'm against that rumor but this would be a hilarious outcome!
People call it a "Breeder cat" but you really wouldn't use it for breeding like Ditto... the entire gimmick (as we've heard) is to breed it with different things in order to have a Normal/??? for any type. So the entire idea is that you use the cat to battle with. Nothing else gets any benefit from breeding with it.

If it ends up being true, you really want it to be in the same egg group as a Ghost. Normal/Ghost is a great typing that we don't currently have. 1 Weakness to Dark, immunity to Normal, Fighting, Ghost. And very good neutral STAB coverage (though ironically another Normal/Ghost cat would wall you just as well).
 

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Haha, we could just use the so called "breeder cat" for battles instead of its breeding gimmick if its stats support this! I'm against that rumor but this would be a hilarious outcome!

I mean the only reason I even give a crap about the breeder cat is because I really, really want to see how it affects the meta. I think it could be dope
 

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If the breeder cat is real, is this then an attempt to give us more unqiue type combinations? Many dual Normal-type combinations don't exist yet like Normal/Ice.

GameFreak: "People want new type combos, but they are so lazy! Let's give 'em a cat and make 'em do the hard work!" *endless laughter* :p
 
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If it ends up being true, you really want it to be in the same egg group as a Ghost. Normal/Ghost is a great typing that we don't currently have. 1 Weakness to Dark, immunity to Normal, Fighting, Ghost. And very good neutral STAB coverage (though ironically another Normal/Ghost cat would wall you just as well).
That would need Amorphous (most ghosts), Mineral, (Yamask line), or Grass (Phantump line). Human-Like would also work if the father cat's type order doesn't actually matter (Sableye). None of the other groups have a Ghost type capable of being male, Fairy could have worked under the same type order pinch of salt if Froslass weren't 100% female.
 

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That would need Amorphous (most ghosts), Mineral, (Yamask and Cofagrigus), or Grass (Pumpkaboo and Gourgeist). Human-Like would also work if the father cat's type order doesn't actually matter (Sableye). None of the other groups have a Ghost type capable of being male, Fairy could have worked if Froslass weren't 100% female.
Yeah but that's looking at what's currently available. We still don't know what Alola's giving us that might fill in the gaps. For all we know, Mimikkyu might be in the Field group.
 

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That would need Amorphous (most ghosts), Mineral, (Yamask line), or Grass (Phantump line). Human-Like would also work if the father cat's type order doesn't actually matter (Sableye). None of the other groups have a Ghost type capable of being male, Fairy could have worked if Froslass weren't 100% female.
There's also Mimikyu, who we don't know yet. But given its /Fairy, Fairy is a fairly likely option. Honestly I'm predicting Mimikyu to be Field/Fairy just to further mimic Pikachu (though Amorphous is entirely likely as well).
 

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At present, no.

Field covers all types but Rock, Flying, Dragon, Ghost, Bug. Rockruff/Lycanroc will almost certainly be Field group though (every other dog is) so we're really left looking for Flying, Dragon, Ghost, Bug.

Because Noivern and Tornadus are the only Pokemon with primary Flying type, it'd need to be in the Flying egg group to get Flying. We'd also get Dragon in this Egg group from Altaria, but no Bug or Ghost.

Your next best bet after Field is probably Mineral. It covers Ghost (Cofagrigus) and Bug (Dwebble). It also has plenty of Rocks in the baffling scenario that Rockruff is not in the Field group. While that doesn't give us Flying and Dragon, it would at least complete every possible Normal/??? combination thanks to the abundance of Normal/Flyings and Drampa filling in for Normal/Dragon.

If Cutiefly and Mimikyu both make it into the Fairy Egg group, that'd be a good contender too, both are /Fairy and provide Ghost and Bug to the breeding pool. Given Mimikyu is trying to copy Pikachu, I wouldn't be surprised if it got both Fairy and Field (Pikachu's groups), in which case Field would get Ghost too. But that's entirely speculation.

The Breeding Cat could always have it's own egg group (kinda like Ditto), except it's only able to breed with Pokemon of the opposite gender.

If they're committed to the concept I don't see why they couldn't just create a new egg group for it.
 
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