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Rumours/Fakes/Leaks Discussion Thread

Do you like fakes/leaks season?

  • I love it!

    Votes: 227 52.2%
  • Yeah

    Votes: 81 18.6%
  • Doesn't bother me

    Votes: 76 17.5%
  • No

    Votes: 20 4.6%
  • Hate it.

    Votes: 31 7.1%

  • Total voters
    435

Brisk Sunrise

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You know what, this could be interesting, I'm gonna place a strawpoll here seeing how you guys think gamefreak will handle the files they contain in their demo:


View: http://www.strawpoll.me/11442854


Interested to see how much faith people have in gamefreak's competence ;D

I don't even think it has to do with competence or not. At this point, there's no reason why Game Freak would really care if the demo got datamined or not. The datamining likely wouldn't affect the sales of the game in any meaningful way, and so there's no real need for them to go through such trouble.
 

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Isn't Marshadow = Mars + Shadow

tbh Mars makes more sense since it kinda fits the space theme
 

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Considering that they don't do third versions for the third legendaries anymore, they can either stop making a third member and just have a duo or they create a post game story for the third legend. Marshadow is still unknown at the moment.
 

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Marshadow is mythical due to Riddlers pokedex... So I doubt it would be relevant to plot somehow
 

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Considering that they don't do third versions for the third legendaries anymore, they can either stop making a third member and just have a duo or they create a post game story for the third legend. Marshadow is still unknown at the moment.
That didn't stop them from using Kyurem in a sequel, and we don't know how relevant Zygarde will be to Sun/Moon.
 

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Marshadow is mythical due to Riddlers pokedex... So I doubt it would be relevant to plot somehow
The Riddler can't be relied on to determine which is mythical.

That didn't stop them from using Kyurem in a sequel, and we don't know how relevant Zygarde will be to Sun/Moon.
Most likely a short side quest or post game thing.
 

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The Riddler can't be relied on to determine which is mythical.


Most likely a short side quest or post game thing.
There is no doubt that the Riddler has some insider's information, but he doesn't know everything.

However, he states clearly what stuff are confirmed and what stuff are speculations.
 

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The ORAS demo pulled images as well as text. Not sure why some people are saying it was only text - we got all trainer art, all party sprites, all item sprites and images of all the Megas and Hoopa-Unbound (and the rest of the Pokemon, but it was only the new Megas and Hoopa-Unbound people were bothered about). They even ripped a lot of the music files which is why people thought the Battle Frontier was in the game when its music was found.

But this is all what happened last time, we won't know until tomorrow what the deal is this time.

Also just as a quick note, if it's made clear that the demo is being datamined and there's lots of spoilers and information, we (the mods) will be making a separate thread for it, so all the rumours/leaks in this thread are separate and they don't all mix together. I don't think Soki's list in the first post could take much more adding to it anyway :p
 

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Considering that they don't do third versions for the third legendaries anymore, they can either stop making a third member and just have a duo or they create a post game story for the third legend. Marshadow is still unknown at the moment.

One generation isn't a pattern, especially since it looks like Zygarde might play a big role in Sun/Moon.

I am kind of curious if they ever meant to do Pokemon Z but decided it would be better to put the new Zygarde stuff in a totally new generation.
 

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Considering that they don't do third versions for the third legendaries anymore, they can either stop making a third member and just have a duo or they create a post game story for the third legend. Marshadow is still unknown at the moment.

We can't say definitively that there will never again be a third version. And even if that fact were true I don't see any reason for that to mean that boxart legends will never again be trio members. Not to mention that in the case of Gen 5, Kyurem gave them an excuse to make two third version games thanks to its two forms which would mean more money.

I also want to point out that I don't think Marshadow's name being trademarked happened at the same time as Solgaleo and Lunala's by coincidence. Since they all three leaked together it seems likely that they are all connected somehow.
 

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I don't want to nitpick too much, but, surprisingly, BW2 didn't sell much better than third versions, actually.

I think the best selling third version (I think it was platinum, not sure) sold around 7.5 million copies. BW2 sold around 8 million, or 8.5.

While it is still a good margin, I think it is still not good enough, because BW2 was actually a new game, with a new storyline, new main characters, new cities and routes, a lot of new content, etc. And Platinum is just DP with some extra fluff and a BF.

Remakes have just proven to sell way better than third versions, and sequels.

For example, Gen BW has sold around half a million more than XY, but Gen VI has overall better sales than Gen V. Why? Because ORAS has sold 12.24 millions (as of July 2016) while BW2 has sold around 8.5.

So I think it might be true that remakes are more profitable than third versions and even sequels, and that's why GF didn't do Z.

Although who knows. If people like SM a lot, they might decide to do a sequel. I would certainly like that.

(I even heard somewhere a few days ago, that this month ORAS has surpassed HGSS (12.7 million) as the best selling remake, but I haven't been able to confirm if this is true.)
 
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I don't want to nitpick too much, but, surprisingly, BW2 didn't swell much better than third versions, actually.

I think the best selling third version (I think it was platinum, not sure) sold around 7.5 million copies. BW2 sold around 8 million, or 8.5.

While it is still a good margin, I think it is still not good enough, because BW2 was actually a new game, with a new storyline, new main characters, new cities and routes, a lot of new content, etc. And Platinum is just DP with some extra fluff and a BF.

Remakes have just proven to sell way better than third versions, and sequels.

For example, Gen BW has sold around half a million more than XY, but Gen VI has overall better sales. Why? Because ORAS has sold 12.24 millions (as of July 2016) while BW2 has sold around 8.5.

I even heard somewhere a few days ago, that this month ORAS has surpassed HGSS (12.7 million) as the best selling remake, but I haven't been able to confirm this.

So I think it might be true that remakes are more profitable than third versions and even sequels. Although who knows. If people like SM a lot, they might decide to do a sequel. I would certainly like that.

Just because remakes are more popular than third versions doesn't mean they will stop existing. 8.5million copies of BW2 sold is still better than 0 if they had just moved straight to gen 6. And since it was two games, it stands to reason that 8.5mil is larger than what it would have been if it were just one. It may not have sold as well as Platinum in ratio, but it sold better than it would have thanks to being part of a duo.
 

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Just because remakes are more popular than third versions doesn't mean they will stop existing. 8.5million copies of BW2 sold is still better than 0 if they had just moved straight to gen 6. And since it was two games, it stands to reason that 8.5mil is larger than what it would have been if it were just one. It may not have sold as well as Platinum in ratio, but it sold better than it would have thanks to being part of a duo.
It all depends of how lenghthy GF want generations to be.

If they want them to contain three sets of games, then I agree that a sequel like BW2 is better, and more profitable, than a simple third version like Platinum.

But in case GF want two sets of games in a generation in stead of three, then Gen VI proved that the main-game-and-a-remake formula, is more profitable than the main-game-plus-a-sequel/third version formula.

But again, simultaneously, I have my doubts if it is really the remake formula that sells so well, or was it those particular regions (Kanto, Johto, Hoenn) that had a high demand. I am not sure if Sinnoh would sell as well as the former, for example...

I am just throwing ideas around, not 100% sure either way.
 
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So just for clarification, when can we expect the demo to drop in Japan and how long do you think before the data miners do their thing and we know what's in the demo?
 

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It all depends of how lenghthy GF want generations to be.

If they want them to contain three sets of games, then I agree that a sequel like BW2 is better, and more profitable, than a simple third version like Platinum.

But in case GF want two sets of games in a generation in stead of three, then Gen VI proved that the main-game-and-a-remake formula, is more profitable than the main-game-plus-a-sequel/third version formula.

But again, simultaneously, I have my doubts if it is really the remake formula that sells so well, or was it those particular regions (Kanto, Johto, Hoenn) that had a high demand. I am not sure if Sinnoh would sell as well as the former, for example...

I am just throwing ideas around, not 100% sure either way.

Well to clarify I was considering sequels/third versions to be essentially the same thing. As for the lengthiness of a generation, more games (almost) always = more profit assuming the production costs aren't too great and the game sells reasonably well. I would think third versions/sequels are usually a bit more inexpensive to produce since they essentially just add-on to an existing region with various tweaks although they could still afford to add some big things as well to keep things interesting. There was probably some business strategy related to the reason they went straight from X/Y to ORAS to Gen 7 without a sequel game.

Aaaaaanyway, I am curious if the Demo will be hacked quickly. I'm not too savvy on that kind of stuff and I dunno how long it took them to mine the ORAS Demo. This is quite a lot bigger (or so I've heard) so it might take a bit longer. Guess we'll just have to wait 'n see.
 

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Well to clarify I was considering sequels/third versions to be essentially the same thing. As for the lengthiness of a generation, more games (almost) always = more profit assuming the production costs aren't too great and the game sells reasonably well. I would think third versions/sequels are usually a bit more inexpensive to produce since they essentially just add-on to an existing region with various tweaks although they could still afford to add some big things as well to keep things interesting. There was probably some business strategy related to the reason they went straight from X/Y to ORAS to Gen 7 without a sequel game.

Aaaaaanyway, I am curious if the Demo will be hacked quickly. I'm not too savvy on that kind of stuff and I dunno how long it took them to mine the ORAS Demo. This is quite a lot bigger (or so I've heard) so it might take a bit longer. Guess we'll just have to wait 'n see.
As someone who's dabbled in datadumping, it can't take longer than a couple hours or so.
 
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