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Rumours/Fakes/Leaks Discussion Thread

Do you like fakes/leaks season?

  • I love it!

    Votes: 227 52.2%
  • Yeah

    Votes: 81 18.6%
  • Doesn't bother me

    Votes: 76 17.5%
  • No

    Votes: 20 4.6%
  • Hate it.

    Votes: 31 7.1%

  • Total voters
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Jackalantyrn

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I actually have a why and how theory about Ultra Beasts being capturable. What if the Aether Foundation found a way to capture Ultra Beasts, despite not being pokemon, using the research they had. It makes sense since they are a major threat that need to be stopped. What better way to do that than to imprison them? So they invent they're own pokeballs that you can use to catch them.
That's true. If you use the anime as a reference they talk about, in the first season, a way to seal awAy the giant pokemon and created essentially the first pokeball.

Although alternate dimension =/= alternate reality :p

Strictly speaking though, we don't know officially what spacial concept they've emerged from.
All I know is if pokemon starts digging into that I do not wanna be there. Travel from world a to world b for the next part of this game. Bleh so...unpokemon. Gives me the creeps. I do not mind the idea of the pokemon doing it, but if the characters start doing it I'm out.
 

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Although alternate dimension =/= alternate reality

Strictly speaking though, we don't know officially what spacial concept they've emerged from.
Yes, but scientifically speaking, there's no such thing as an alternate dimension. There's just... more of them (theoretically). They don't have alternatives. Most people who say "alternate dimension" mean "alternate reality".

I guess one could say there might be beings inhabiting dimensions that we don't perceive, and we inhabit dimensions they may not. But that's not very well-explored scientifically.
That's true. If you use the anime as a reference they talk about, in the first season, a way to seal awAy the giant pokemon and created essentially the first pokeball.


All I know is if pokemon starts digging into that I do not wanna be there. Travel from world a to world b for the next part of this game. Bleh so...unpokemon. Gives me the creeps. I do not mind the idea of the pokemon doing it, but if the characters start doing it I'm out.
We already did it in Platinum.
 

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Yes, but scientifically speaking, there's no such thing as an alternate dimension. There's just... more of them (theoretically). They don't have alternatives. Most people who say "alternate dimension" mean "alternate reality".

I guess one could say there might be beings inhabiting dimensions that we don't perceive, and we inhabit dimensions they may not. But that's not very well-explored scientifically.

I mean, mostly I was just teasing. I know that the terms are used very liberally in colloquialism, and that's fine. But what I had in mind as an example of an "alternative dimension" was something like the Distortion World. An alternative reality would be like, what they talked about in ORAS, where there's another universe with a different timeline and a different history. A dimension, on the other hand, is just a plane of space, and within the context of Pokémon, an alternative/parallel dimension is more something like the dwellings of Sinnoh's creation deities. The Distortion World is an integral component of the spacetime continuum that the games take place in; it's not some alternative reality where everything is the same except for key differences.

The Ultra Beasts could be from any one of these things we've now discussed, though. :p

Edit: Actually, in thinking about it, the idea that the Ultra Beasts are, as @Kallyle suggested, Pokémon that adapted to a hyperspace environment seems really cool. It makes them a sort of foil to the Alola Forms, which are obviously Pokémon that adapted to Alola's environments.
 
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I mean, mostly I was just teasing. I know that the terms are used very liberally in colloquialism, and that's fine. But what I had in mind as an example of an "alternative dimension" was something like the Distortion World. An alternative reality would be like, what they talked about in ORAS, where there's another universe with a different timeline and a different history. A dimension, on the other hand, is just a plane of space, and within the context of Pokémon, an alternative/parallel dimension is more something like the dwellings of Sinnoh's creation deities. The Distortion World is an integral component of the spacetime continuum that the games take place in; it's not some alternative reality where everything is the same except for key differences.

The Ultra Beasts could be from any one of these things we've now discussed, though. :p
I would have said the Distortion World is either an alternate reality or a "dimensional pocket" but that's an interesting take. I could see those categorizations becoming canon.
 

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I would have said the Distortion World is either an alternate reality or a "dimensional pocket" but that's an interesting take. I could see those categorizations becoming canon.

Pocket dimension/dimensional pocket is probably the most technically accurate, all things considered.
 

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People, "read the fine print" :ROFLMAO:, official source just states that Ultra Beasts are a mysterious force that threaten people and Pokemon in Alola. They never flat out say that Ultra Beast aren't Pokemon. That is still up to debate.
 

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I'm happy there seems to be a special pokeball for Ultra Beasts.

That means that at least in SOME way they are different from normal Pokemon since every other Pokemon can just be caught in a regular Pokeball.
 

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The Riddler has updated a lot of new stuff, but
He has also specifically said he doesn't want me ("the Hong Kong bitch") to translate it.

I guess we can wait for
ErikNguyen912 or Pokesan to translate.
 
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The Riddler has updated a lot of new stuff, including racial insults towards us people on Bulbaforums, lol.
He has also specifically said he doesn't want me ("the Hong Kong bitch") to translate it.

I guess we can wait for
ErikNguyen912 or Pokesan to translate.
Link again please, I'm not going to translate just want to see what he put up. We should have a link to that Baidu thread in page 1 or not...
 

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I actually think it is pretty cool to catch something other than pokemon. It be new and a great surprise for players especially the older ones who play pokemon since Red/Blue.

As someone who played Pokemon Red as a kid... no. Just no. Not a fan of this development at all. Catching them implies that they are pokemon and they don't look like pokemon. So new surprise, yes. Great surprise, no. Not at all. XD
 

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Link again please, I'm not going to translate just want to see what he put up. We should have a link to that Baidu thread in page 1 or not...

If you're talking about Riddler's page, it is in the OP, first thing under "Riddler Leaks".
 

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The fact that the new pokeball is for the Ultra Beasts has only been speculation. I personally believe it's for the version mascots.


And I agree with Oriden, they don't look like Pokemon. The Regis, heck, even Genesect has more personality to him. How do you imagine doing Pokemon amie (the alolan version, forgot the name) with these monstrosities? They clearly look like endgame bosses, not like actual pokemon. So no, I also don't like this development AT ALL. As boss-only material I would be more then fine with them, but catchable? No.
 

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You know.

It's obvious now, but looking back at the leaks, I'm pretty convinced there was never a 2 stage cat in the first place and like I've previously said before, only the first post of the 'real leaks' leak had any merit. The rest were sock puppets.
 

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http://i.imgur.com/8LsgAG2.png

Looking at this image, what do we think the two undiscovered sprites in zygarde are. Are they simply the Core and Cell?

Also I'm slightly OCD and like balance, I know we saw the Blue Core in the anime, but so far we've not seen him at all in the game footage or sight not to mention in the animation of Power Construct or whatever its caled when all the cells form, there's red flashing lights, but no blue.

I think Gen 7 will be a very short generation, almost a kind of filler generation. As if the much fabled "Pokemon Orange" covering the Orange Islands was actually made.

With both Magearna and Marshadow being covered in the list we can assume those are the only 2 mythical Pokemon, Magearna has already had it's movie, so let's assume Marshadow will be in the 2017 film. What then for 2018? It'd have to be a Lucario/Zoroark type character to take us into Gen 8.
 

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Looking at this image, what do we think the two undiscovered sprites in zygarde are. Are they simply the Core and Cell?

I don't see why the Cores and Cells would need those kinds of sprites, since we can't use them in battle, but I don't really know what else those spaces could represent.

What then for 2018? It'd have to be a Lucario/Zoroark type character to take us into Gen 8.

That, or a movie featuring Ultra Beasts like @Silktree suggested recently.
 

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That, or a movie featuring Ultra Beasts like @Silktree suggested recently.

While I'm not against that... I'm curious as to what it'd mean for the idea if they use all the Ultra Beasts in the game, thus not saving one for a movie.

I dunno, I quite like how it's not easy to tell how long the generation is going to last right now since we have only two Mythicals. If they're not saving an Ultra Beast, then it should be lasting until 2018 at the latest, if they are... Then 2018 or 2019?

There's also the fact that if they were to give Marshadow a new form and promote the Pokemon next year, then shouldn't a new game be releasing next year as well?
 

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I think 2016 we get Sun Moon, 2017 Diamond/Pearl remake, lets face it 3rd versions are dead and theres already DP references before the game is even out Diamond Head Rock, Pearl Harbour, Silvally and its thing with Arceus, then in 2018 Gen 8.

Also I think just as RBY came to VC after ORAS instead of a FRLG remake, GSC VC will be after the DP remake (so im guessing Feb 2018) instead of a HGSS remake.
 
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