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Shiny Pokémon with the Pokéradar

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dukeburger

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Re: Shiny Pokemon with the Pokeradar

dukeburger - I agree with your comment about huge letters warning to stop chaining and merely reset at 40. However, on the other hand, I think part of the wonder and mystery of chaining for shinies is piecing together all the information as you work on honing your skills. And eventually many are successful. And it makes one's success all that much sweeter having had to do a little digging -- research -- and put it all together

You're certainly right, but I think telling people to stop chaining at 40 is a pretty crucial tip. It of course is up to the individual to master being able to get that far, using the basic rules as a guideline and observations through his/her own experience. Most people, especially beginners, wouldn't be able to figure out that they should just stop at 40 though, which is clear from the amount of people who post here saying they broke a 40+ chain without seeing any shinies... and that really sucks.

Also, if I understand correctly "even 20 could work if you have enough patience and repels" is technically correct; but, from my limited experience, may not be totally "wrong and misleading"

For example:

I'm trying to chain Porygon (5% chance) in the trophy garden and have had no luck getting a chain over 24 after about 15 tries. I've become relatively skilled at chaining but the majority of the Porygon chains have broken simply because of the "random" factor -- not my inability to chain according to the rules. This seems to me to be a higher incidence of random Pokes breaking the chain in the farthest shaking grass patch location than for swarming Pokes or Pokes that have a higher encounter rate for the area (correct me if I'm wrong on this assumption).

Anyway ...I am seriously considering just stopping my chain building and resetting at 24. Based on Josh1billion's Excel spreadsheet the probability of encountering a shiny would be about 1:170 max repels (5 resets per max repel) at a chain of 24. This actually may be the prudent approach -- especially considering every time the chain breaks I have to once again encounter a Porygon at an encounter rate of 1:20 (5%). It may actually take less time overall to stop chain building at 24 and go into a long drawn out reset mode. The major drawback to this for me is, as you may have noticed, I like to capture a lot of shinies once I get going. This strategy would not lend itself well to my preferred methodology.

Yeah... maybe I shouldn't have said "wrong," but I still stand by "misleading." Let's face it, if you start resetting at 20, you will be there a long, long time and may never have anything to show for it. I think that if people are new to chaining then they may assume that their odds are half as good at 20 than they are at 40, which isn't true, because the odds grow exponentially... making a shiny patch not much more likely to appear until the mid 30s. That's why I say misleading.

By the way, yes, your assumption is correct as many of us here believe that to be the case so far. We think that even by following all the rules, there's still a random chance that the seemingly perfect farthest away patch breaks the rules of chaining... meaning that the Pokemon you encounter there will reflect the odds of the area (in your case with Porygon, yes Porygon could still be there, but at a 5% appearance rate, not likely). So I can see your point about how in the end it may waste less time to reset at 24, as you're saying, if chains continue to break. But, I agree with wanting to reset for multiple shinies, and therefore needing to bring the chain to 40. Honestly, I don't even stop any earlier than that anymore, even if I'm feeling nervous, just because I'm too impatient and I know that even past 40, I can frequently spend 3x the normal amount resetting, just because of how odds work out.

Now that I've been trying to do some calculations on my own and getting results that don't really make sense, I have to ask... how exactly are you getting 170 max repels at a chain of 24? Assuming we are referring to the same source, I'm not even sure how 13 max repels per shiny at a chain of 40 works out. If the chances are 1/200, and you have 4 patches shake, your chances of seeing one be shiny are 1/50... and then with 5 resets per max repel, that should put you at 10... but something doesn't seem right... (I don't know, it's late and I'm tired).
 

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Re: Shiny Pokemon with the Pokeradar

AHHHHH!!!! My Lickitung chain was broken by a stinking Wobbuffet!!! Got all the way up to 46, my record, after probably over a dozen resets (and still no shiny :( ). And since it's a swarm Pokemon, I have less than a half hour to try again and it took me over an hour to get it up!

Oh, well, these things happen. I'll try again with something else. I've already had a 21 Bidoof chain broken and a high Starly chain broken by another Starly. I guess it's time to go for something easy.

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Well, I decided to go for Buneary. I got all the way to a chain of 38 (one away from being tied with my third highest) before it got broken by a Beautifly. Tried again and got up to 12 before being broken by another Beautifly. *Sigh* I just can't seem to win...

Probably won't be able to chain for a few days 'cuz I'm gonna be busy...but I will succeed!
 
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I was trying to chain starly last night.... But I kept accidentally resetting it because I didn't know if you left the radar's range it reset your chain.

I had 3 chains of 17.....

And I also didn't know that you didn't have to CATCH what you were trying to chain.... So I now have 30 Starlys....
 

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I was trying to chain starly last night.... But I kept accidentally resetting it because I didn't know if you left the radar's range it reset your chain.

I had 3 chains of 17.....

And I also didn't know that you didn't have to CATCH what you were trying to chain.... So I now have 30 Starlys....

LOL!!! Well, you could always check the IV's and use any good ones (especially males) for breeding!
 

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Re: Shiny Pokemon with the Pokeradar

Ok...so I lied. I did do some chaining today and I did pretty well too. Started out chaining Smoochum (my swarm) that got broken a few times so I tried Lunatone and that got broken too. Decided to try Buizel and got to 22 before that was broken by a Bidoff. Buneary was next and I got to 31 before it was broken by, guess what? A Buneary! D'oh!

I really need to take a few days leave from chaining to do some important real-life stuff...like homework...
 

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Re: Shiny Pokemon with the Pokeradar

Anyone have tips on chaining Ponyta?
 

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Re: Shiny Pokemon with the Pokeradar

Anyone have tips on chaining Ponyta?

Well, I tried for 2 weeks before I got mine, and I tried chaining Ponyta everywhere. I had the best luck though on Route 210. The area is kind of small, but I managed to get a Ponyta at 41 on a chain of 44. I was reading some earlier posts that said to try chaining it during the day because it has a higher encounter frequency at that time than the other Pokemon found in that area.

Good luck!
 
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Hm, I'm on Route 214 right now, with a chain of 21. O:
If it fails, I'll try 210. Thanks! :D
 

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AHHHHH!!!! My Lickitung chain was broken by a stinking Wobbuffet!!! Got all the way up to 46, my record, after probably over a dozen resets (and still no shiny :( ). And since it's a swarm Pokemon, I have less than a half hour to try again and it took me over an hour to get it up!

Okay, I don't want to sound mean, but did you not just see all the posts talking about how you should ABSOLUTELY stop at 40 and reset for shiny patches ONLY? Your chances do not get better after that. Going higher on the chain past 40 does not make a shiny patch more likely to show up, it just makes it more likely that you will break your chain. "Over a dozen resets" doesn't quite cut it either... sometimes it takes well over a dozen, or two dozen max repels. It does take a while sometimes but it WILL happen eventually as long as you don't do anything to break the chain.

I like trying to help people, but really, I'm getting sick of repeating that same rule over and over, which is why I asked Wiil to edit the first page about it, which he did... and this has been pointed out several times over the last few pages so honestly, if you can't read the rules carefully or pay attention to people trying to help you, then you can't really complain about not getting any shiny Pokemon. Again, I'm not trying to sound mean or make an example out of you, but it's frustrating trying to help people who seem like they want it, but then ignore it.

And I also didn't know that you didn't have to CATCH what you were trying to chain.... So I now have 30 Starlys....

You don't have to catch them. You can either faint or catch them, it's up to you. You just don't want to run away, or have them roar/whirlwind you away or some such thing.
 

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Yay! I just captured my first shiny EVER! A Ponyta! <3 His name is Ponce! :D
 

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Yay! ^_^ congratulations, Jolty!
 

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Thanks, Edo! :D Gonna try for 4 more. >)
 

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Yay, managed to have 2 total (1 for me, 1 for a friend) before I was careless and encountered a Sudowoodo. =P
What should I chain next? o:
 

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Sure is! :D
Thanks! =)
Now I'm hunting Chatot~
 

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Re: Shiny Pokemon with the Pokeradar

Quick question.. If you're chaining a Pokemon that only appears at Daytime and it turns to Nighttime in-game, will your chain be able to continue?
 

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Re: Shiny Pokemon with the Pokeradar

Quick question...if your pearl restarts itself do you jump off a bridge or just shoot your self?
 

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Did it restart in the middle of your chain? D:
 

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No the whole game restarted and I don't know why or how it did it but I'm freaking out like crazy!
 
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