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Shiny Pokémon with the Pokéradar

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Yes, you can. In fact, I did it a long time ago in Emerald. I was only trying to reset for an Adamant one for in-game use, but I got a shiny Naughty one after a few resets.

I decided to evolve the awesome Modest Eevee into a Glaceon. It looks awesome :D

Wiil, I have a shiny Glaceon too. Can I ask you something? What will your Glaceon's moveset be? Mine only knows Ice moves, so I was hoping to get better moveset. It is Modest and maxed EV in SpA and Speed.
 

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Mine is a Specs set with Ice Beam (could change to Blizzard)/HP Electric/Shadow Ball/Sleep Talk (lack of a better move).

I'll get to training it today or tomorrow.

EDIT: Finished training it today and put it in the battle tower... it completely dominated. Against Palmer, Dragonite and Rhyperior were OHKO'd by Ice Beam, and although it lost to Milotic because it put me to sleep and Sleep Talk picked Ice Beam, I'm still very pleased with it.

*Trades Glaceon to Diamond for its true battling debut*
 
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dukeburger,

I wanted to get back with you on all your great comments on my post [HASHTAG]#4317[/HASHTAG]. First of all, thanks for gracing my offerings with your thoughtful consideration.

I had to chuckle because your post reminded me of the opening to a book I recently bought -- "The Drunkard's Walk - How Randomness Rules Our Lives," by Leonard Mlodinow. The book opens with this little story:

"A few years ago a man won the Spanish national lottery with a ticket that ended in the number 48. Proud of his "accomplishment," he revealed the theory that brought him the riches. I dreamed of the number 7 for seven straight nights, he said, "and 7 times 7 is 48." Those of us with a better command of our multiplication tables might chuckle at the man's error, but we all create our own view of the world and then employ it to filter and process our perceptions, extracting meaning from the ocean of data that washes over us in daily life. And we often make errors that, though less obvious, are just as significant as his."

So that’s what I was referring to as the results of being in the “Fog of Chaining” (a play on the military concept of the fog of war). We’re in this fog and as humans we seem to have an impulse -- a desire -- to see patterns and order – even where there may be none. And it seems I have that leaning more than you.

One thing I gathered from your comments – am I correct when I think I’m reading that you continue to use the 4th ring approach rather than the farthest patch?
 

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Crownfire - I'm glad you read through and appreciated my comments, whether you agree with them or not. Yes, I'm very aware of the human impulse and desire to seek out patterns where there may be none, and for whatever reason, I try not to let myself do that. I understand why people do so... I mean, what primitive human was going to live longer... the paranoid one who always thought he might see a shape like a lion in the grass, or the one who never saw any such shapes? I think that trying to find patterns is an essential part of survival, but only we humans can apply that to other concepts - and we do, and all too often, I think. We are always looking for a complicated answer when there is very usually a very simple one staring us right in the face. I think it also stems from the human desire for control... and being able to make sense of things that don't make sense is a form of control. But now I think I'm starting to get off-topic, although I do think this all applies to chaining.

Basically what I'm trying to say is that if we are going to look for more rules to help us form longer chains a better percentage of the time, I just want them to actually make sense, and not like we're just grasping at straws. And obviously, my belief that maybe the programmers really did just leave us with a random factor that we can never overcome would operate under simplicity vs. complicated patterns. Many of the rules of Pokemon do in fact operate under some kind of randomness... what species of wild Pokemon you run into, what its IVs are, its personality value (including whether it's shiny or not), whether you catch a Pokemon or not when you toss a pokeball, etc. That's why it really wouldn't surprise me if chaining is just as random.

I should have probably made this clearer, but I use both the 4th ring approach and the farthest patch rule... if that's what you mean. The farthest patch has to be in the 4th ring for me to go to it, otherwise I'll reset the radar. What I was trying to say is that I'm really not sure whether or not I agree 100% on that rule being essential, because I had made it to 40 plenty of times before I knew about it. However, I do follow it now since it seems to be so accepted, and it can't hurt. The only harm could be that chains take longer.
 

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Wow...this is the last time I stay off the internet for an entire weekend @[email protected] but this last weekend was insane, no time to chain.

Thanks for the advice, Dukeburger...at least I feel better about not being able to start a chain of the pokemon I want, now, knowing that it IS pretty much completely random. It's strange, though, I usually DO chain the sparkly patches (they're easier for me to pick out), but I still have a hell of a time finding dongle or radar exclusive pokemon.

Dammit, someone else beat me to a shiny I wanted to have! :-( I've been wanting a shiny Skarmory since I saw what they looked like, but wanted to practice on lower-level pokemon first. :-/ that's what I get for being slow, I suppose. Er...you would happen to be willing to trade one of those shiny Skarmory, would you, Crownfire? ^_^;;;;

Congrats on the shiny Glaceon, Wiil!
 

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so it happened to me again, dumb luck.
i ran into another shiny without meaning to, no pokedar or anything.
it was a chatot. i like it because it's wing is pink.
so now i have two shinies, both birds and both on accident.

....if only i could get a shiny i actually want though. bleh
 

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Hey Wiil,
I noticed a couple of things.

1) you have the #4 post on this thread - like almost 2 years ago

2) your post then says the same number of posts as now (403) what's up with that?

Good luck chaining to all.
 

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I should have probably made this clearer, but I use both the 4th ring approach and the farthest patch rule... if that's what you mean. The farthest patch has to be in the 4th ring for me to go to it, otherwise I'll reset the radar.

dukeburger - based on what I read above you are missing out on these opportunities -- they're not many but it saves a reset.

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Crownfire - so you're saying that you don't follow the 4th ring rule, and that you would go to that patch 5 steps away? Hmm. If that's true, and since you're obviously very good at chaining, then maybe the rule's not necessary. That also goes back to how I used to get chains to 40 before I even knew about this. So what now... do I just go for the patch that's the farthest, or do I let myself look for patterns that may not be there and go for farthest, fourth ring only? ;)

Really though, I don't know. I think it's okay to let yourself follow certain patterns that you believe to be true when chaining, but not to tell other people to do the same unless you're very certain and have enough evidence to prove that they're true. For instance, I start avoiding 4-5 patches once I hit around 20 or so. There doesn't seem to be a good reason that I could explain to anyone else for doing this. I feel like those tend to break my chains, but I also think it's very possible that I'm inventing that pattern.

So, what is it you believe about Skye's [HASHTAG]#1501[/HASHTAG] post then? Since it's old news, I didn't re-read through it thoroughly, but I did notice something. He guarantees that 4-7 patches won't break your chain. While these are in fact good patches, I only wish it were true. I'm sure most people here know that 4-7 patches DO break your chain from time to time. If they didn't, all we'd have to do is reset for those patches only, and we'd make it to 40 every time. Unless there's still something we don't know, of course.
 

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CrownFire: The number of posts someone gets updates on every post, not just one.

I've been doing Emerald SRing, but after I'm done with that I'll get back to chaining.
 

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I'm still stuck on Route 228 and I've not had great luck with my endeavor. I can get a chain of Vibravas up to the mid-teens, then something pops in and breaks my chain. (I am so sick of those stupid Hippos! Argh!)

I'm starting to think I'm going to be stuck here for the rest of my life. It's driving me crazy.
 

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I'm still stuck on Route 228 and I've not had great luck with my endeavor. I can get a chain of Vibravas up to the mid-teens, then something pops in and breaks my chain. (I am so sick of those stupid Hippos! Argh!)

I'm starting to think I'm going to be stuck here for the rest of my life. It's driving me crazy.

it definitely doesn't sound fun to me, but i wish you the best of luck on your upcoming chains!
 

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Pokeradar Pokemon always have to be chained in the sparkling patches, but for the rest, it's your choice.

Really? I never knew that! Are you sure? I could swear I've chained some in non-sparkly patches...maybe I'm wrong...it's all a poke'radar blur by now :D

Just captured 14 shiny Skarmory.

So far have resisted the impulse to name one "Greensleeves"

Nice...like those Skarmory. Did you use a magnet pull lead? Please, DO resist the impulse and do NOT doom one of your Skarmories to Greensleeves!!

not-shiny-but-holy-shit-awesome Shaymin. :mad:

I like the way you talk Tina!! I'd like to hang with you!

I concur. Although, I'd be pretty pissed off about the bitter irony of getting a shiny Garchomp. I'd just be like "WHY NINTENDO, WHY?!"
By the way, I ended my Gligar chain after 10 shinies. 8 out of 10 are jolly. :) I have yet to check IVs though.

Why, because they're the same general color you mean? At least they have that sparkly circle thing goin...and congratulations on the Gilgars. On the flip side...that's one less unrealized goal to shoot for.. :(

so it happened to me again, dumb luck.
i ran into another shiny without meaning to, no pokedar or anything.
it was a chatot. i like it because it's wing is pink.
so now i have two shinies, both birds and both on accident.

....if only i could get a shiny i actually want though. bleh

More importantly Deedlezx...why oh why did they kill off L so early on in Death note? The series was never the same without him...

dukeburger - based on what I read above you are missing out on these opportunities -- they're not many but it saves a reset.

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OMG...I'm with Dukeburger here...I would NOT recommend those 3-5 patches at all. They may score now and then, but I think would break your chains too often to warrant using them after about link 20!

I'm still stuck on Route 228 and I've not had great luck with my endeavor. I can get a chain of Vibravas up to the mid-teens, then something pops in and breaks my chain. (I am so sick of those stupid Hippos! Argh!)

I'm starting to think I'm going to be stuck here for the rest of my life. It's driving me crazy.

Good luck. I never was any good at chaining in the sandstorm except for beldum, where they were swarming and you could use magnet pull to help. I would love a shiny trappy or vibrava, but it's no good unless I catch it myself. I was hoping Platinum would shift them out of the storm, but it seems like that's not the case right? Sigh....
 

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OMG...I'm with Dukeburger here...I would NOT recommend those 3-5 patches at all. They may score now and then, but I think would break your chains too often to warrant using them after about link 20!

!!!C'mon guys!! Shake it up!! Take a chance!!

I've never had one break to date -- and I've done a fair amount of chaining, as you well know. And if dukeburger is correct there is as much chance or breaking a chain below 20 for the given situation as above:

Again, I believe that there is a much simpler explanation. In an situation governed by probability, the longer you let your luck ride, the more likely it is that it will run out. Now, before anyone cries "gambler's fallacy!" let me explain, because I think even people who can recognize gambler's fallacy still don't understand probability. I too have wondered if the game is generous to you on chains of 10 or less; for every 10 Pokemon you add to the chain, does the game take into account more factors, thus making chaining harder? It would seem so, since it is very easy to get a chain to 10, but not always to get one to even 30, much less 40. While I honestly do believe that this may be true, I think that the more likely explanation is just that the longer you keep taking chances, the more likely it is that you will lose. Basing this argument with my 90% chance I mentioned before, let's say you get all the way to the mid-high 30s, and your chain breaks. Well, if you're continuously riding on a 90% chance, what do you expect? Of course, people will say "Well, at a chain of 39, the chances that the next patch you go to will bring you to 40, assuming you follow all the rules, is still 90%. It's gambler's fallacy to believe that the chances are anything else." Well I guess this is like reverse gambler's fallacy or something. While the statement IS true, people forget that probability is actually based on something... i.e. the occurrence of certain results over an infinite amount of time. Obviously, we can't comprehend infinity. But a chain of 39 is closer to infinity than a chain of 10, thus making it more likely for infinity to kick in and say "Based on probability, you've been riding on your 90% waaay too long... I'm breaking your chain now."


Course the other scenario is when the 4th box shaking patch is at 4-1 and the one in the 3rd box is as 3-3 -- never had that one break either!! These situations are the legacy of Skye's post #1501!!

Remember?

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"Here we see that 4-4 shook and so did 3-5. I used to always go for box four patches before I learned the counting method. They'd often break and I never understood why. Now I know. In situations like this I go to box three since five is obviously higher than four."

On the other hand I have to agree with dukeburger about the 4,7 situation.

So, what is it you believe about Skye's #1501 post then? Since it's old news, I didn't re-read through it thoroughly, but I did notice something. He guarantees that 4-7 patches won't break your chain. While these are in fact good patches, I only wish it were true. I'm sure most people here know that 4-7 patches DO break your chain from time to time. If they didn't, all we'd have to do is reset for those patches only, and we'd make it to 40 every time. ...

Skye steps out on a limb and says that 4-7 is ALWAYS good. Well not to blaspheme Skye or anything but I've had plenty of occasion to utter blasphemous words as my chain went spiraling down into a death spiral on a 4-7
 

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Um... I don't know if this is an especially legitimate post, but this has got to be the most viewed thread in history.
 

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More importantly Deedlezx...why oh why did they kill off L so early on in Death note? The series was never the same without him...

i'll never forgive them for it. he was the best "good guy" opposite to light. the other two were lame lame lameee, and L wannabes.




oh and on topic for the thread, i have major trouble chaining pokemanz in the trophy garden that aren't roselia, staravi, or kricketune... what am i doing wrong??
is it difficult for everyone??!?!?!
 
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Crownfire - judging by your post, the argument is definitely farthest patch vs. fourth ring, correct? To try and clear things up a little, I would never take a 4-4 patch if there was a 3-5 patch... but like I said, I'd just reset. Maybe next time I do a chain, I'll reconsider this and see what the results are. I'm just sort of reluctant because I got so used to fourth ring only (and only if it's the farthest). Even if fourth ring only isn't necessary, my eyes are so trained to look for it that I see the grass shake and I just know what to do without having to think much; I don't need to rely on my crappy non-photogenic memory and count spaces anymore. I'm so used to what patterns to look for that I just know. If I gave up the fourth ring rule, I'd have to go back to counting all over again. Maybe this is why farthest, third ring patches seem like they're chain breakers - while there's nothing wrong with them, they make more room for counting errors?

oh and on topic for the thread, i have major trouble chaining pokemanz in the trophy garden that aren't roselia, staravi, or kricketune... what am i doing wrong??
is it difficult for everyone??!?!?!

You're not doing anything wrong, and yeah, it's difficult. It's because all the things that you'd actually want (garden exclusives) only have a 5% appearance rate. The field of grass there is also pretty inconvenient, due to its small size and random patches of grass missing and things.

Oh and Totoro - yes, the fact that shiny Garchomp is just a slightly duller looking version of normal Garchomp is just... disappointing. Why couldn't they have kept him the same nice bright blue that shiny Gible is? And thanks for the congrats... I prefer to look at the bright side. :) While there isn't really an infinite amount of shiny Pokemon to chain for, it sure feels like "gotta catch 'em all" is a near-impossible task (and this is only counting Pokemon I actually WANT). I can't imagine the day where I say "... I have nothing left I want to chain!"
 
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Crownfire - judging by your post, the argument is definitely farthest patch vs. fourth ring, correct?

Correct, the graphic and quote in my post above are copied and pasted from Skye's post #1501. I've been using Skye's approach since then; and, unlike Skye's suggestion about 4-7, this one is true in my experience.

Like you, I also however have now evolved to a point where I see patterns -- I rarely actually count the steps anymore -- but -- the patterns I see and choosing the shaking patches I go to have been developed by a lot of hours of actually counting steps.
 
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