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Shiny Pokémon with the Pokéradar

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Jigglypuff's Lullaby

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OHHHHH Well if I ever get to that point in my chain I know what to do now XD thank you kind Edo-Kun :3
 

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If a 40 chain is a 1/200 chance is a 20 chain 1/400 :/ ?????

Jigglypuff... please stop triple posting. Totoro already warned you about that... you don't want to get in trouble with the mods. All you have to do is edit your post.

To answer your question, no, chaining doesn't work like that. There is a formula that makes your chances grow exponentially as you build your chain. Check out Totoro's guide for more information on that, if you're curious. I believe the chances aren't something like 1/400 until a chain of 39.
 

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Okay so at 40 the odds are 1/200 right ?
So is this 1/200 for each patch or is it 1/50 assuming 4 patches shake ? Also if its divided out and 2 patches shake are the odds per patch 1/100 ?
 

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I apologize duke...didnt see the edit button :/. Wait so I know a chain of 39-40 is 1/400 I just want to know about lower then that but w/e.. I keep breaking my chain at like 8...DX Its hard for me...;o
 

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I apologize duke...didnt see the edit button :/. Wait so I know a chain of 39-40 is 1/400 I just want to know about lower then that but w/e.. I keep breaking my chain at like 8...DX Its hard for me...;o

My highest chain with snubble was 34 then i got careless and the little guys havent swarmed again since...
 

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Okay so at 40 the odds are 1/200 right ?
So is this 1/200 for each patch or is it 1/50 assuming 4 patches shake ? Also if its divided out and 2 patches shake are the odds per patch 1/100 ?

We believe that the odds mean 1/200 for each patch... therefore, 1/50 of seeing a shiny patch, assuming 4 patches shake. If 2 patches shake, the odds per patch are still 1/200, but you'd have a 1/100 chance that at least one will be shiny.

I apologize duke...didnt see the edit button :/. Wait so I know a chain of 39-40 is 1/400 I just want to know about lower then that but w/e.. I keep breaking my chain at like 8...DX Its hard for me...;o

No need to apologize, I was just trying to give you a head's up so that you don't get any infractions. :)

It gets tricky on chains lower than that. You'd have to use the formula to figure it out (it's in Totoro's guide, linked in his signature), but it's really not worth resetting on chains lower than mid 30s, as you'll see. I think Crownfire once disagreed with me though, saying that you theoretically could have a sort of reasonable chance of seeing one at 21 or so, should you want to spend hundred of max repels resetting for it. In my opinion though, you are better off trying to get to 40, or at least mid to high 30s. It's always hard at first, just don't give up!
 

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Dukeburger, hope you're feeling better!

Yes! Finally, my first early shiny! My shiny Mareep, Stardust, whom I caught at my chain of 21. ^^

Congratulations...your 1sdt shiny...how special! My 1st was a Gastrodon on a chain of 26, caught within an hour of trying chaining out. I thought "This is easy!"...I had a lot to learn! :D

Well, resetting doesn't mean resetting your DS. Resetting means that when you get to that point in your chain, you stop in one spot, and use your radar again. If no shiny patch shows up, take 50 steps (just go between 2 squares that didn't shake), then use the radar again, using repels as necessary. Rinse and repeat until a shiny patch shows up.

Well explained Edo-kun!

Okay so at 40 the odds are 1/200 right ?
So is this 1/200 for each patch or is it 1/50 assuming 4 patches shake ? Also if its divided out and 2 patches shake are the odds per patch 1/100 ?

Yes, 1/200 for each patch that you spawn with the pokeradar. So, if you reset in the center of the field and usually spawn 4 patches, your odds are 1/50 (4/200) that one of those will be a shiny. If you only spawn 2 patches each reset because you are on the edge, your odds are 1/100 (2/200).

I apologize duke...didnt see the edit button :/. Wait so I know a chain of 39-40 is 1/400 I just want to know about lower then that but w/e.. I keep breaking my chain at like 8...DX Its hard for me...;o

Well, as stated Jigglypuff's Lullaby...there is a graph showing your odds. You can find it on my webpage but I will post it here too. I must say, if you want to succeed at this, you surely can, but it will take some settling down and taking time to learn the rules and really read advice with patience and comprehension. Several people here are trying to tell you things but you're only half hearing them because you're rushing through this instead of trying to learn it. My advise, and I won't nag you about it again (probably... :D) is to devote about 2 hours to really reading about how this works and what we've learned, and taking time to really research, understand, and remember all of the rules. There aren't many really, but they are all important, and the difference between picking this skill up or continuing to fail. I have tried to compile most of the best advice from others on my website (in my signature). This is the best guidance from many people here, not really my guide. Maybe take an hour and really read through that. Ask questions if you have any. Look at that video that shows how to run and reset. Take the quiz about which patches are good and which are bad. Then practice. OK, enough preaching. Here's your graph (Basically, it shows your odds continue to stink until your chain is in the 30s, and that the last 5 links are really important to acheive to really reduce your odds...although I must confess, we take this graph on faith, we have not tested it...we've only confirmed that chaining beyond 40 does not improve your odds):

probabilitycurvewithMaxRepels.jpg
 

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Yeah...Where is the quiz for which patches to choose???? And I'm sorry :O I like looked at the rules reading things for 3 hours last night and was all hyped up to get a shiny but I've failed everytime xD Im just dissapointed I think I need to re check the rules a few time and like you said research, etc.. NEVERMIND I found the quiz I got all but one right :eek: Im going to research more thank you Totoro.
 
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Good luck to everyone! ^^ My friend's currently resetting for a smeargle for me. <3 I'm gonna have a completely shiny Plat team. So far, I have my Houndoom and Ampharos (those 2, chained by me), and soon a Smeargle. x)
 

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Yeah...Where is the quiz for which patches to choose????

Near the end...I refer to them as Examples, but...you know...it's a quiz. I might try to update this with new or additional examples, just to give people something to practice with, and maybe to give us things to discuss.
 

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Totoro - I just took another look at your guide, since you've made changes to it, and I've gotta say that I am really impressed! You've done a great job, and thank you for taking my suggestions into consideration. :)

One small thing that I disagree on... I don't believe that the Storm Drain ability increases the chances of water Pokemon, similarly to how I don't think Swarm increases the chances of bug Pokemon (I think you agree on that one, right?). I remember that came up here, and after doing extensive research on it... I couldn't find anything saying that Storm Drain has an over-world effect.

I know the Platinum section is new and not finished, but when you're more familiar with it, I think you should recommend that newcomers chain in Platinum, if they have it, primarily because the patches are easier to see. You could also mention how it makes chaining in weather conditions a lot easier. Of course, you may want to do some of your own research to see if you agree.
 

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Wow...I've been kinda doing this whole thing a tiny bit wrong no wonder I keep messing up xD Im a clutz o.o. Well thank you Totoro Your um....Guide is very helpful I did not know many of those things xD.


EDIT: Hey does the pokemon with Static, ETC need to be the one killing things or..????
EDIT: Nevermind....
EDIT: Hey uh..Totoro if you could explain one thing to me is... so in your example showing the 4 um...you know rows or w/e of grasses....AFTER I choose which grass for my first chain do I follow which row is row from where I started or where I am now??? It confuses me.
 
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Totoro - I just took another look at your guide, since you've made changes to it, and I've gotta say that I am really impressed! You've done a great job, and thank you for taking my suggestions into consideration. :)

Great, glad you approve. Keep your suggestions coming!

One small thing that I disagree on... I don't believe that the Storm Drain ability increases the chances of water Pokemon, similarly to how I don't think Swarm increases the chances of bug Pokemon (I think you agree on that one, right?). I remember that came up here, and after doing extensive research on it... I couldn't find anything saying that Storm Drain has an over-world effect.

Good enough for me. You're right, I don't buy the Swarm effect and have never tried the Storm Drain effect. You're all the authority I need to trust it doesn't work. It's history in the guide!

I know the Platinum section is new and not finished, but when you're more familiar with it, I think you should recommend that newcomers chain in Platinum, if they have it, primarily because the patches are easier to see. You could also mention how it makes chaining in weather conditions a lot easier. Of course, you may want to do some of your own research to see if you agree.

A very good suggestion, I'll do that.

Wow...I've been kinda doing this whole thing a tiny bit wrong no wonder I keep messing up xD Im a clutz o.o. Well thank you Totoro Your um....Guide is very helpful I did not know many of those things xD.
EDIT: Hey does the pokemon with Static, ETC need to be the one killing things or..????
EDIT: Nevermind....

Glad it's helping you. Again, they are ideas from many, I'm just trying to put them all in one place. We all share one desire, to see others succeed in this game!

You probably realized you can faint the poke'mon with the lead ability and the ability still works. Now...I can't remember how to use two leads, such as one having static and one having synchronize. I can't recall if that works (think so) and what order they need to be in. Can anyone help with that?

EDIT: Hey uh..Totoro if you could explain one thing to me is... so in your example showing the 4 um...you know rows or w/e of grasses....AFTER I choose which grass for my first chain do I follow which row is row from where I started or where I am now??? It confuses me.

Think I know what you're asking. When considering the 4 rings, they are always centered around your trainer with the poke'radar when you trigger the poke'radar. So if you're in the center of the field of grass, the 1st ring is also in the center, just around your trainer...and the 4th ring would be near the edge. If your trainer is on the edge when you trigger the poke'radar, the 1st ring is also on the edge, and the 4th ring would be partially outside of the field, and partially inside, probably with part of it near the center of the field. Did I hit your question, or miss it entirely?
 
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Hey uh..Totoro if you could explain one thing to me is... so in your example showing the 4 um...you know rows or w/e of grasses....AFTER I choose which grass for my first chain do I follow which row is row from where I started or where I am now??? It confuses me.
 

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Good enough for me. You're right, I don't buy the Swarm effect and have never tried the Storm Drain effect. You're all the authority I need to trust it doesn't work. It's history in the guide!

Well, I can't 100% prove this on my own. If anyone has the ability/knowledge to hack into the game's code and prove this, then by all means. It's just that no reliable resources have said that it does anything outside of battle... I can't even say that I've seen unreliable resources saying anything about it either.


You probably realized you can faint the poke'mon with the lead ability and the ability still works. Now...I can't remember how to use two leads, such as one having static and one having synchronize. I can't recall if that works (think so) and what order they need to be in. Can anyone help with that?

I don't believe it matters, but I always faint the syncher just because the majority of mine are very low leveled Abras and Ralts (it's a lot easier to have a high leveled Static or Magnet Pull Pokemon somewhere in your collection than a high leveled synchronizer of the right nature). You could also just bring both a fainted syncher and static/magnet pull poke if you have nothing at a decent level... just use the static/magnet pull guy to build the chain, then switch the syncher to first when you're at 40.
 

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Well...I think Im kinda getting the hang of this so Im starting to chain a Kricketot not my favorite but its what I got and Im doing okay xD.
 

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Guess who's resetting for shiny marill right now? ;3
 

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OMFG Lucky you D: Im going to sleep for now gonna be determined to get a shiny toomorrow.
 
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