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Shiny Pokémon with the Pokéradar

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Meh - I just beaten the Elite 4 last night, and now I'm trying to hunt down a shiny Swellow; the problem is that even normal Swellows are a royal pain to just find them, and they are only found only on route 213, which doesn't have much good patches of grass.

I still don't understand some aspects of chaining though. Firstly, how do chains break? Can simply using an item break it? Also, must the patches of wriggling grass I choose be the farthest away from me, being four or more but less than seven steps away?
 

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does anyone have tips for easy pokemon to get shiny (other than the swarming pokemon)? I have heard of the 50% Ponyta during the day on route 210, but have had no luck with that. Thanks if you reply!
 

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eX.A.K.R. said:
I still don't understand some aspects of chaining though. Firstly, how do chains break?
There's basically four ways chains break. Firstly, you run away from the Pokemon. Pretty silly, I know, but I've actually managed to do that by accident in the past. Secondly, if you move too far away, so that all the shaking patches fall off the screen, the chain will end. Thirdly, if you stand on the very edge of a grassy area, there's a chance that all of the shaking patches will spawn outside the area. And forthly, you run into the wrong kind of Pokemon. This is by far the most common way for chains to break, and most of the effort spent in chaining is in determining which patch is most likely to continue your chain. (Getting on your bike will also break the chain, but that's so rare it's not really worth mentioning. =) )

Can simply using an item break it?
Not that I'm aware of, but I'm not willing to risk it - I always use items immediately before I reset the radar on the off chance that it might mess things up.

Also, must the patches of wriggling grass I choose be the farthest away from me, being four or more but less than seven steps away?
It's not neccesary, but note that the probability of the chain breaking significantly increases if you don't choose the farthest patch. Also, the patch should shake the same way as your previous patch, so if the farthest patch shakes a different way you should reset the radar. Unless it's a shiny patch, of course. Always go for the shiny patch. Closer patches won't neccesarily break your chain - I've had several occasions where I ran into the wrong patch but didn't lose my chain - but it's more likely.

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does anyone have tips for easy pokemon to get shiny (other than the swarming pokemon)?
Geodudes on Route 207 - there's at least a 55% chance at all times. An added advantage is that the grassy patch on Route 207 is a good size and shape for chaining.
 
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Ever since I got my shiny Gible, I haven't been shiny hunting any, except for shiny Larvitar, and I got 3 of those, and will probably try again. I dunno...it just seems more...special to just come across one, rather than looking for it.

By the way, the Gible is now a level 75 Garchomp, and its speed is totally maxed out. At level 100, its speed will be 333 8D.
 

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Long time reader, First Time Poster

Hi, the name's Eoko. I caught my first shinies a couple days ago. I got 2 shiny ponyta on a chain 40. The boy is named Ares and has a calm nature. He is up for trade. The girl is named Pele and is a cocky stong one, so she's keeps.

I also spent the last three hours chaining Spoink up to 61. And just when I went to jump into a piece of grass for a Spoink to Sleep Mode my DS on... it was a Kricketune. I HATE those guys SO much. But, my pokemon got level 63 and 60 so at least I got something out of it. I'll be trying again when I get home from work. And I do plan on getting a bunch of shiny Spoink if I can. Grumpig is so cyoot too. So if anyone wants to trade for those too, I'll have their names, gender and nature ready in a couple days and probably posted in a trade thread, or PM me.
 
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Earlier this afternoon, I spent some time chaining Chanseys for their Lucky Eggs, and thought I'd try for a shiny or three while I was at it. Unfortunately, thirty Chanseys and five Lucky Eggs later, I ran into a patch at 4-6 and encountered a Bibarel. I realised in hindsight that there was also a 3-6 patch, which raises a couple of questions as to which is furthest away in such a situation. Probably safer to just reset.

I was unable to find another Chansey to re-start the chain (they're too rare) so I tried a Mime Jr and a Tauros chain, which failed at twenty and ten respectively. Working at Spoink at the moment, as it's today's Swarm-of-the-Day, but I'm not overly impressed with the available grass areas on the route in question...



Hi, the name's Eoko.
Welcome. =)

I caught my first shinies a couple days ago.
Congrats!

I also spent the last three hours chaining Spoink up to 61. And just when I went to jump into a piece of grass for a Spoink to Sleep Mode my DS on... it was a Kricketune. I HATE those guys SO much.
I know exactly how you feel. =) That said, there's some evidence to indicate that it's a good idea to stop chaining at 40 and just start resetting exclusively, though we're still researching whether or not it's true. It might take a while to reset until you get a shiny, but it removes the risk of running into the wrong patch (barring finger-slippage accidents).
 

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Haha, I stink at chaining. I was chaining Electrikes the other day, and I'd gotten to 40- however, I get really nervous whenever I start resetting, so I stepped into a patch- Bam! Shellos broke the chain. I just about died. XD But I did get a shiny Electrike two days later(another swarm), at 43. Finally.
 

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Haha, I stink at chaining. I was chaining Electrikes the other day, and I'd gotten to 40- however, I get really nervous whenever I start resetting, so I stepped into a patch- Bam! Shellos broke the chain. I just about died. XD
At the risk of over-using a phrase, I know exactly how you feel. =)
 
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All right, I have just started chaining for a shiny Swellow, and I think this tip might help: when you have even the smallest shred of suspicion that your chain is going to break, or that something's not right, recharge the radar and try again.
 

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I just reached 40 in a Pachirisu chain! Just about to start resetting the Radar now. I've got 174 Max Repels- hopefully that'll be enough.

Edit: I got him! And even better, his patch was on an edge but my chain hasn't broken. Yay. :) 162 Maw Repels left.

Edit 2: Holy crap, got another one on my next reset!
 
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I just reached 40 in a Pachirisu chain! Just about to start resetting the Radar now. I've got 174 Max Repels- hopefully that'll be enough.

Edit: I got him! And even better, his patch was on an edge but my chain hasn't broken. Yay. :) 162 Maw Repels left.

Edit 2: Holy crap, got another one on my next reset!

Congratulations Murkrow! If you believe that paper that was cited earlier, you were about average on the 1st and lucky on the 2nd. Here's the curve from that paper:
probabilitycurve.jpg


Here's some interpolation showing the odds and number of Max Repels (in red) that you should need to get a shiny from chain lengths between 35 and 40:

probabilitycurvewithMaxRepels.jpg


You seemed to use just 12 Max Repels to get your 1st, and none to get your second! Nice. Based on the odds, you were almost dead on with the projected odds for your 1st shiny. That second one certainly was an odds beater. If you get another couple quick shinies, this indicates that today is a lucky day and you should defeinitely go buy a lottery ticket to two!!
 

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Well, I've finished. :)

Total time: 2 1/2 hours chaining, 1 1/2 hours resetting
Total chain: 41 (yep, accidentally hit a spot)
Total Repels used: 2 Super, 137 Max
Number of shinies: 5

I actually got number 3 within about 10 or so resets from number 2 (just didn't edit it in xD) but number 4 took forever. I told myself it if I got down to 120 Repels (I think at that time I was at about 140-50 so) then I'd stop. Well then I got her and decided to go for five. :p Got her quite quickly and then flew to Eterna to break the chain. :) My DS light flashed to red then at that exact moment so it's charging now. I'll post their stats later when it's done.

Probably won't chain for a while now (don't usually like spending *that* much time on a game in one go- and I hate just leaving it playing) but for a one off I enjoyed it. I needed sometime to myself and it helped a lot.

And as an aside, all of them are in Heal Balls which means that they're colour co-ordinated. :p I'm easily amused at times.
 

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I think this tip might help: when you have even the smallest shred of suspicion that your chain is going to break, or that something's not right, recharge the radar and try again.
As I and others have often said in the past: when in doubt, reset. The real trick is in knowing when to doubt. =)

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Here's some interpolation showing the odds and number of Max Repels (in red) that you should need to get a shiny from chain lengths between 35 and 40:
Whew, I knew there was a big increase in the probability between 35 and 40, but I hadn't realised that the odds doubled between 39 and 40. Assuming the paper's calculation is correct, anyway. Thanks for posting that. =)
 
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Well after the Geodude event I havent chained since, What is good place to chain for someone looking for their first shiny? Please dont say Geodudes or Ponytas okay.
 

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Geodudes or Ponytas okay. =Þ

Seriously though, check today's swarm, because they're often easy to find. Alternately, try for Floatzels or Gastrodons on route 222 - there's a pretty good grassy patch there. If you want a bit of a challenge, you could always try the Trophy Garden. =)
 

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well i just got back from wild waves and tried chaining todays swarm(corsola) got to 19 and died... after that i just tried helping my friend on her emerald!
 

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Hey everyone!

I'm still here and have been observing all the data collecting going on. Unfortunately, I don't have any data to add to that mostly because I've been having trouble getting chains past thirty. I say mostly because I've kind of been working on finding something else out-- Why exactly, when everything seems to be right, do chains break? This has happened to all of us at least at some point.

I'm wondering, when that happens to you, what patches are you looking for? Normal shakes or blinking shakes? I think it's common knowledge that it's easy to mix up the patches that blink but most often than not, when a chain breaks for what seems like no reason, for me at least, it happens with normal (non-blinking) shakes.

From the beginning we've been working under the rule that there are only two normal (non-blinking) shaking patches-- Fast and slow. I've been watching these very carefully over the past few days and I am starting to think that there might actually be THREE normal types of shaking! Here's what I've been seeing:

1. Very fast shakes (I call them super-fast shakes. These are the easiest for me to notice.)
2. Slow shakes (I call them lazy shakes.)
3. Then there's one that's somewhere between the first two. (I don't really have a name for them. Normal shakes? Medium shakes?)

Now, I'll admit, my eyes could be playing tricks on me, but I really think this is the case. I think that third type of shake gets mixed up with both of the other types since we're not expecting them. We've been under the assumption that there are only two types so this third one sometimes looks fast and sometimes looks slow depending on which of the other two types your chain needs to continue.

What's really weird, and what I think is causing the confusion, is that this third medium type of shake doesn't always break your chain! Sometimes it does and sometimes it doesn't. It's really confusing.

I can tell the super-fast shakes apart from the slower ones, but when I don't see any after a few resets, I find myself thinking that the medium ones are the fast ones and will go to one. And my chain continues! Then the next reset I see the super-fast ones again and it's really easy to tell that the one I went in before wasn't the same type. And then sometimes I'll know that it was a medium shake (it was slower than the super-fast ones but too fast to be a lazy one) and go to it, causing my chain to break! I can often predict when this is going to happen. Not 100% of the time but enough times to think something's going on.

If anyone wants to help figure this out, can you watch the normal shakes very carefully? Maybe do the chains with a pokemon you don't care about getting a shiny of? I was using the super-fast shakes when I started to notice, what appears to be to me, the two slower types of shakes so I suggest using the super-fast shakes for your chain since they are probably the easiest to notice and to tell apart from the other one(s). And of course continue to follow all the other rules when choosing which one to go for.

Could this be the missing piece we've been looking for? :confused:
 
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