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Base Stats are values that stay the same between the same species of Pokémon. Two Blissey will have the same Base Stat of 255 in HP. It's the main part of the final stat calculation.
 

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Base Stats are values that stay the same between the same species of Pokémon. Two Blissey will have the same Base Stat of 255 in HP. It's the main part of the final stat calculation.

So those stats are something like starter points for calculating a Pokémon's stats? Then how do IV's relate to these?

EDIT: Also, is there a way to calculate your EV's based on your Pokémon's stats?
 

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So those stats are something like starter points for calculating a Pokémon's stats? Then how do IV's relate to these?

EDIT: Also, is there a way to calculate your EV's based on your Pokémon's stats?

Think of it this way. A Pokemon's base stat determines the maximum value a stat can be before training of any kind.

IVs relate to base stats in that, for each IV that you are below maximum, you lose 1 point from the maximum base stat value. If you have an IV of 0, the maximum value for the stat before training will be 31 less than if you have an IV of 31.

EVs then, are what you add to the stat through training which will increase the stat beyond it's base stat maximum.

Here is a simple example. Let's take a neutral natured Flygon, base stats are:

HP: 80
Atk: 100
Def: 80
SpA: 80
SpD: 80
Speed: 100

That means the maximum untrained stats are:

HP: 301
Atk: 236
Def: 196
SpA: 196
SpD: 196
Speed: 236

Now, let's say the Flygon has the following IVs:

HP: 25
Atk: 17
Def: 13
SpA: 9
SpD: 22
Speed: 29

That means the actual maximum stats before training for this Flygon are:

HP: 295 (301 - (31 - HP IV)
Atk: 222 (236 - (31 - Atk IV)
Def: 178 (etc)
SpA: 174
SpD: 187
Speed: 234

Now suppose we EV trained this Flygon with 6 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Speed, the final Level 100 stats would be:

HP: 296 (Stat from previous step + (EV investment / 4))
Atk: 285
Def: 178
SpA: 174
SpD: 187
Speed: 297

If you'd like a more word based explanation, just let me know.

You can calculate the EVs based on a Pokemon's stat, IV, and Level. If you do not know the IV, you won't be able to determine the EVs, though.
 

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Thanks, that was very helpful :) however, there is one jump of logic I didn't follow:

HP: 80
Atk: 100
Def: 80
SpA: 80
SpD: 80
Speed: 100

That means the maximum untrained stats are:

HP: 301
Atk: 236
Def: 196
SpA: 196
SpD: 196
Speed: 236

How did 100 become 236 and 80 become 196? And why is HP so much higher than the other stats even though it has the same base stat of 80?
 

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Thanks, that was very helpful :) however, there is one jump of logic I didn't follow:

How did 100 become 236 and 80 become 196? And why is HP so much higher than the other stats even though it has the same base stat of 80?

Sorry, I was just taking that translation for granted because you can look up the base stats, and the corresponding stat value for any Pokemon. Smogon has a nice graphic of it on their Pokemon analysis pages.

The reason HP is different is because it just is. It's calculated differently to where a base HP is always higher than a base Atk, Def, etc of the same value.

Generally the stat can be found by FLOOR + 2(Base Stat). Each base stat point results in 2 more possible stat points. Thus the base 100 stat is 40 points higher than the base 80 stat. There is some value that they all start at which for non HP is 99, and 204 for HP.

So base 80 Atk translates to 99 + 2(80) = 259
and base 80 HP translates to 204 + 2(80) = 364

These values are the maximum values. The second thing I listed was the maximum stat minus the possible stats you can gain by applying maximum Effort Points (252 EVs). Here's what I should have done:

Base stats:

HP: 80
Atk: 100
Def: 80
SpA: 80
SpD: 80
Speed: 100

Maximum stats neutral nature:

HP: 364
Atk: 299
Def: 259
SpA: 259
SpD: 259
Speed: 299

Maximum stats without any training (Subtract 63 from each):

HP: 301
Atk: 236
Def: 196
SpA: 196
SpD: 196
Speed: 236
 
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Okay so if Arcanine has a base stat Sp.Atk of 100, then his maximum possible Sp.Atk is 99 + 2(100) = 299? Then if his IV is, say, 25, you do 299 - 6 = 293 as his maximum possible Sp.Atk?

Then if he has 255 EV in Sp.Atk, you add (255 / 4) + 293 = 356 to get his maximum Sp.Atk?
 

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Okay so if Arcanine has a base stat Sp.Atk of 100, then his maximum possible Sp.Atk is 99 + 2(100) = 299? Then if his IV is, say, 25, you do 299 - 6 = 293 as his maximum possible Sp.Atk?

Then if he has 255 EV in Sp.Atk, you add (255 / 4) + 293 = 356 to get his maximum Sp.Atk?

Close, but the base stat value you calculate first represents the maximum amount of EVs included, so you wouldn't add any more beyond that. Sorry if that was confusing by my first couple of posts. So you are correct in saying his maximum possible special attack is 293 (given a neutral nature and that IV). That maximum is assuming 252 EV points.

That's the reason i knocked 63 off of the base stats after applying the IVs, that kind of gives you a 'clean slate' so to speak when you apply your EV points.
 

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Ah I see. Thanks for the explanation, this all makes sense now!

Okay new, quick question: If I look at the stats of a Pokémon right after I obtain it, can I figure out its IV's just from that, since it has no EV's?
 
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Ah I see. Thanks for the explanation, this all makes sense now!

Good, I'm happy to be of assistance. One other thing you should note is the affect that non-neutral natures have. That is, things like Adamant, Modest, Timid, etc. Natures you'd actually want to use.

The stat that receives the benefit increases by 10%, and the stat that is hindered decreases by 10%. So to start off, an Adamant Flygon would not be:

HP: 364
Atk: 299
Def: 259
SpA: 259
SpD: 259
Speed: 299

but rather (Focus on the positive stat, the negative one is going to be one you don't care about):

HP: 364
Atk: 328
Def: 259
SpA: x
SpD: 259
Speed: 299

Now, to come up with that total by starting with the base stat, you must apply the 10% to the amount. Here's how it would shake out for the attack of an Adamant Flygon:

(99 + (100 x 2)) + 0.10(99 + (100 x 2)) = 328

Now, when starting with the stat without any EVs, you would ALSO apply the 10% boost to the stats gained by EV training. When you are training a positive nature stat, you can actually get up to 69 points, rather than 63. There are certain EV points where you will get an extra stat point since you are training in a beneficial nature. So it would work like:

(299 - 63) + 0.10(299 - 63) + (252/4) + 0.10(252/4) = 328

Similar procedure for the negatively affected nature, but again, you generally won't care about that one.

Did I lose you yet??? :p

And yes, if you are looking at any Pokemon that doesn't have any EVs, you can put its level and stats into an IV Calculator to get an approximation of the IVs. The higher the level, the better estimate of the IVs you'll get.
 

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Bulbapedia said:
Scope Lens, Razor Claw, and Super Luck add 1 level each, the Stick adds 2 levels (for Farfetch'd only), the Lucky Punch adds 2 levels (for Chansey only), and Focus Energy adds 2 levels to any Pokémon. 50% is the maximum critical hit ratio, since no situation exceeds it.
Exert from Critical hit page.

If a pokemon has super luck, a scope lens and uses slash, the chance is 50%. But if that pokemon uses Focus Energy and then uses slash, should the critical hit stage go up by another 2 stages?
 

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Good, I'm happy to be of assistance. One other thing you should note is the affect that non-neutral natures have. That is, things like Adamant, Modest, Timid, etc. Natures you'd actually want to use.

The stat that receives the benefit increases by 10%, and the stat that is hindered decreases by 10%. So to start off, an Adamant Flygon would not be:

HP: 364
Atk: 299
Def: 259
SpA: 259
SpD: 259
Speed: 299

but rather (Focus on the positive stat, the negative one is going to be one you don't care about):

HP: 364
Atk: 328
Def: 259
SpA: x
SpD: 259
Speed: 299

Now, to come up with that total by starting with the base stat, you must apply the 10% to the amount. Here's how it would shake out for the attack of an Adamant Flygon:

(99 + (100 x 2)) + 0.10(99 + (100 x 2)) = 328

Now, when starting with the stat without any EVs, you would ALSO apply the 10% boost to the stats gained by EV training. When you are training a positive nature stat, you can actually get up to 69 points, rather than 63. There are certain EV points where you will get an extra stat point since you are training in a beneficial nature. So it would work like:

(299 - 63) + 0.10(299 - 63) + (252/4) + 0.10(252/4) = 328

Similar procedure for the negatively affected nature, but again, you generally won't care about that one.

Did I lose you yet??? :p

And yes, if you are looking at any Pokemon that doesn't have any EVs, you can put its level and stats into an IV Calculator to get an approximation of the IVs. The higher the level, the better estimate of the IVs you'll get.

I think I understood all that o_O
 

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If I switch train my pokes, will both pokemon get the EVs?
 

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Whats the base power of Drill peck when you add a Life Orb?
 

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I think I understood all that o_O

Close enough :D

My main point from that post is just that if you EV train a beneficial stat you actually get 69 Points instead of 63, and if you were to train a hindered stat fully (for some odd reason) you would only get 60 points instead 63. Didn't want your math to not work out and confuse you, haha.
 

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I downloaded the secret key for rotom when it was being distributed. Now that the event has long passed, could I "give" or "transmit" the key to another platinum player who did not download it? I know it's a weird question, but if someone could answer it I'd really appreciate it.
 

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Is the Pokeathlon in HG/SS co-op? As in can you play it on wifi with friends like the battle frontier?
 

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Is the Pokeathlon in HG/SS co-op? As in can you play it on wifi with friends like the battle frontier?

No, it's not co-op. I don't know about wi-fi, but it works like contests do over the DS-to-DS wireless.
 
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