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Fujisucku. That's why.And that leads into this episode's problem. Why evolve Meltan, just to have it immediately lose? Then
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Fujisucku. That's why.And that leads into this episode's problem. Why evolve Meltan, just to have it immediately lose? Then
And that leads into this episode's problem. Why evolve Meltan, just to have it immediately lose? Then again it apparently is a 3 vs 3 instead of a 4 vs 4 based on the pictures released since Torracat and Rowlet are watching the battle, so I guess that makes sense, considering you'd want Pikachu and Lycanroc to get wins. But if Ash wins, that means either Pikachu or Lycanroc get TWO wins.
I doubt Melmetal will be used against Kukui. Against Guzzlord though, sure. For that matter, we need to know SM141's title and more details regarding the full battle.Likely for a red herring, and to prove that Ash, if he wins, didn't win because he just got a last-minute uber powerful Mythical Pokémon by his side.
And I wonder if Melmetal would far better against Royal Mask...
That's a big claim to say that your own views are some objective fact.
...So, what does it had to do with anything?
Being lazy is its primary personality trait, so it was contradictory.
Only because Satoshi dropped the Z crystal.
I'm not sure what you mean by "one of those people," but comparing science and art criticism is definitely wrong....Okaaaay, you're one of those people. Let's start from beginning (aka. the two words' meanings). To say that something is objective is to say that that something is not under the influence of someone's personal feelings while also taking into account/being based on some kind of fact(s). A fact is a thing that is know and is provable to be true. Now, by definition, a fact is a more or less undeniable objective statement. But an objective statement is not a fact in and of itself. Facts (generally) represent the basis for an objective statement, but if that fact's evidence is faulty or incomplete, then the objective statement is false. For example, up until a few years ago, Pluto was classified as a planet. But, after new evidence arose, it was discovered that it is actually a dwarf planet and, thus, the objective idea of Pluto being a planet became false.
Soubds like a bunch of filibuster and Youtube drama to me. I would recommend you to not to listen Youtube critics, especially about things like objectivity.For a better explanation on the whole Subjectivity vs. Objectivity debate, I recommend watching this long video from the longman himself, who does a far better job explaining this than I could within the limits of this page. Or, if its's too long for your tastes, you could try and read this post form Reddit (from the longman's thread), which does as great of a job of explaining this whole... debacle as the video does. Or, for an even shorter version, here's a twitter thread (also from the longman himself).
But you said that "fake defeat" is objectively bad?Now, back to my response. Nowhere in my post do I boldly state that what I said is a irrefutable fact, as you claim I do!
Which one? You said many different things.The reason I'm not admitting defeat in our current conversation is because you have yet to come up with a strong argument that convinces me that my entire premise or my arguments or the logic behind them is faulty!
If feelings are subjective, how can you claim that "fake defeat" is an objectively bad thing? Based on which scientific facts?You said "Point is, it's not had to be objectively bad, there is even people that may love it", to which I responded by saying that whether people loved it or hated it or whatever they felt about it doesn't change whether the scene was objectively bad or not, since feelings are entirely subjective! You then decided to pick apart one of my examples (without even mentioning it somehow), which led to me reiterating that point, since apparently you missed it!
How is it not contradictory? It never cared about these thing before.And it deciding to be more proactive, since its laziness was (partially) responsible for its defeat, is not contradictory!
Not really. Mokuroh was sleeping at the beginning, then they both throw feathers each other once, neither get hit. Then Satoshi dropped the crystal, that's it.Partially true. But the whole reason Ash even decided to use a Z-crystal in the first place was because it wasn't doing so hot during that battle. Dartrix was keeping Rowlet on the defensive and, because the former's attacks were stronger, Ash decided to use a Z-move to finish the battle quickly.
And yet Gladion is allowed to have the overwhelming advantage. Because Ash is only using Melmetal, Lycanroc, and Pikachu. Like even if somehow Ash's Lycanroc surpassed Gladion's Lycanroc. There's still Silvally and Zoroark, and I can't imagine Pikachu being superior to either of them, even if Melmetal severely weakens Silvally.Likely for a red herring, and to prove that Ash, if he wins, didn't win because he just got a last-minute uber powerful Mythical Pokémon by his side.
I doubt Melmetal will be used against Kukui. Against Guzzlord though, sure. For that matter, we need to know SM141's title and more details regarding the full battle.
I'm not sure what you mean by "one of those people," but comparing science and art criticism is definitely wrong.
Soubds like a bunch of filibuster and Youtube drama to me. I would recommend you to not to listen Youtube critics, especially about things like objectivity.
But you said that "fake defeat" is objectively bad
Which one? You said many different things.
How is it not contradictory? It never cared about these thing before.
Not really. Mokuroh was sleeping at the beginning, then they both throw feathers each other once, neither get hit. Then Satoshi dropped the crystal, that's it.
And yet Gladion is allowed to have the overwhelming advantage. Because Ash is only using Melmetal, Lycanroc, and Pikachu. Like even if somehow Ash's Lycanroc surpassed Gladion's Lycanroc. There's still Silvally and Zoroark, and I can't imagine Pikachu being superior to either of them, even if Melmetal severely weakens Silvally.
Melmetal wasn't supposed to just lose, it was to help bridge the gap between Ash and Gladion.
It also has a confliction with the story. Meltan clearly wanted to get stronger for Ash, forcing Melmetal to lose defeats the purpose of evolving in its entirety.
But now, Ash looks he might unrealistically beat Ash.
There's still Silvally and Zoroark, and I can't imagine Pikachu being superior to either of them, even if Melmetal severely weakens Silvally.
Yeah, this is the same Pikachu that beat a Metagross and Tyranitar in one battle (both species with higher raw power gamewise than Silvally or Zoroark).You're talking about a Pokemon that has defeated Legendaries before, so why is Pikachu suddenly inferior to Gladion's Silvally and Zoroark?
Didn’t Ash battling alongside Royal Mask have a similar episode title?Not exactly. This title doesn't mention any names. Just that Alola is getting a Champion here, which we already knew.
Melmetal losing makes sense since it’s the thing's first battle after evolution, and it has a huge adjustment to make thanks to its body shape. Meltan's usual style is agile which it cannot use now.We may not have a crystal ball, but we do have the preview summaries, and in my opinion, Melmetal getting beaten in its first post-evolution battle by a Pokémon that's then beaten by Pikachu sounds like pure Fujisaku.
They most likely want to keep the Lycanroc showdown as a 1v1, so Pikachu vs Zoroark will most likely be a drawYeah, this is the same Pikachu that beat a Metagross and Tyranitar in one battle (both species with higher raw power gamewise than Silvally or Zoroark).
That doesn't mean he WILL defeat Zoroark as well, of course, but I think it's possible and within his established strength--at it's peak, at least, since Pikachu's power fluctuates like crazy.
Well yeah that's why I said Silvally was weakened, but of course substitutions are a thing you know or are you saying there was a preview that was shown recently of Silvally falling, which is NEW information to me, that I just found out, at this moment of replying (well give a take however long it took me to read this.Silvally went down before Pikachu. That is fact according to the previews. That was Gladion's ace; his "invincible" Pokémon. And Pikachu has taken down Legendaries before.
Are we really going to underestimate Zoroark here despite presumably being Mohn's most powerful Pokemon and thus would likely be experienced.Oh and Zoroark? A poor man's substitute for Lucario. If Pikachu beat Mega Lucario, why can't it defeat a Zoroark?
As I mentioned it's still Pikachu against a full health Zoroark or Lycanroc with Ash's Lycanroc picking up where Pikachu left of. And as I've said, Ash's Lycanroc hasn't done too well against Gladion's Lycanroc, you want to argue Zororark being weak enough to be taken out by Ash's Lycanroc, because Zoroark might be too weak in general, maybe its too old.I think Gladion might have made a mistake by sending out Silvally first instead of saving him for last. You always save your best for last just to give the aura of intimidation and invincibility. Maybe that's why Melmetal was so important. To draw out Gladion's best Pokémon first rather than risk Gladion retaining a healthy Silvally to launch upon a weakened Ash's team.
You're talking about a Pokemon that has defeated Legendaries before, so why is Pikachu suddenly inferior to Gladion's Silvally and Zoroark?
We don't even know who the full battle is against. At the moment, it seems like the MR battle will be in SM140 and get interrupted by the Guzzlord.Don't know why you're saying this when the battle with Kukui will be a full battle. Ash is already at a disadvantage by only having 5 Pokemon, take away Melmetal, and Ash is in the same boat as Gladion
Eh no. Pikachu and Ash were completely in control of that battle, it was Guzma/Golisopod who were on thin rails and had to confront their fears of losing.because Pikachu isn't some invincible monster, he nearly lost to Guzma's Golisopod.
As I mentioned it's still Pikachu against a full health Zoroark or Lycanroc with Ash's Lycanroc picking up where Pikachu left of. And as I've said, Ash's Lycanroc hasn't done too well against Gladion's Lycanroc, you want to argue Zororark being weak enough to be taken out by Ash's Lycanroc, because Zoroark might be too weak in general, maybe its too old.
Because Melmetal lost to Silvally, that means either Zoroark or Lycanroc can't get a win IF Ash wins. Do we really want to argue Gladion's weakest Pokemon here being Zoroark, which means he chose it because he wanted to, not because it had any battle merit.
Inter-series continuity isn’t really an argument in this case. Ash defeated a Latios using Pikachu and lost to an inexperienced Snivy immediately later in the next series.Pikachu destroyed two uber Pokémon on Alain's team known as Tyrannitar and Metagross without help. I think he can handle a Zoroark. If it's Zoroark then Silvally, then Pikachu may be in deep trouble. But Silvally is taken out, leaving Gladion with only an untested Zoroark (hmmm, sounds like Melmetal) and a Lycanroc rivalry.
Inter-series continuity isn’t really an argument in this case. Ash defeated a Latios using Pikachu and lost to an inexperienced Snivy immediately later in the next series
After being sapped of electricity by Zekrom, and being left in a weaker state. I know it's a bad premise to open a new season with, but there was still an explanation for it. Besides, at the beginning of XY, Pikachu was already at pro levels at the least.Inter-series continuity isn’t really an argument in this case. Ash defeated a Latios using Pikachu and lost to an inexperienced Snivy immediately later in the next series.
I doubt the SM high-power levels are similar to those in XY. It hasn’t battled nearly enough and Golisopod almost dealt with it.At the beginning of the series. After being drained of electricity by Zekrom. In contrast, we are at the end of S&M in a time where Pikachu's power have reached Peak-achu.
It still had its non electric moves, though.After being sapped of electricity by Zekrom, and being left in a weaker state.
Melmetal losing makes sense since it’s the thing's first battle after evolution, and it has a huge adjustment to make thanks to its body shape. Meltan's usual style is agile which it cannot use now.