Lord Clowncrete
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@Jack Walker: How do you get 150? 1/2 of 120 is 60, 120+60=180, which is the same as the Hydro Pump you mentioned. Additionally, SolarBeam doesn't miss 20% of the time.
As far as sunlight going away, my comment references the 'Drought + Chlorophyll' remark I made before, so the sun would be permanent, excepting for another instance of perma-weather. Even if the sun got removed by, say, Drizzle, and I used SolarBeam, I'd get a free charge anyway on the turn that Politoed/Kyogre got switched in, then nail whatever water-type was standing there. This of course revolves around the theory that, since the only reason to use Drizzletoad is a rain-based team, that the other members would be mosty be water types. If the weather became Ice, that's what Droughttales is for. Sandstorm could be a problem, but depending on what came out, SolarBeam could do massive damage to that, too (since, as you pointed out, grass beats rock/ground).
Now turn the tables; rain got cancelled by sun. In the rain, Hydro Pump is indeed much more powerful than SolarBeam, but in the sun it gets weaker and it still doesn't hit 1/5 of the time.
...Or at least that's how I see it.
@ Lord Clowncrete: Yes, I know why Smogon banned them, I said it in my post:
It's because too many people were losing to them, and, rather than making adjustments within their teams to compensate, they deemed it 'too powerful for use'. (Perhaps the members of Smogon also banned Garchomp for his ability naturally infringing on the 'no evasion boosting' thing.)Stratago said:Seriously, the reason that Pokemon like Excadrill and Garchomp were banned is because too many people whined about losing to them when they could have easily beat them.
There are quasi-legendary monsters in each generation. They're super-strong, and evolve very late in the game to compensate. The problem, IMO, is people just using PokeSav and whatnot to pop them out at LV100 with perfect IVs, fully EV trained, and with movesets they read on sites like Smogon, rather than coming up with their own ideas.
Lol no, solarbeam goes as follows:
1) You use solarbeam and a rival weather inducer switches in.
2) The solarbeam will not hit immediately but will charge on the turn.
3) The solarbeam will now hit on the second turn and that too with half the power.
4) You cannot switch out on turn 2 while politoed,ttar, abomasnow kill you easily before you can even fire a weakened solarbeam.
5) Non-weather teams generally pack Heatran, Latias, insetr dragon type, Chansey, etc who can tank a solar beam and kill exeguttor.
You don't even know the mechanics and yet you are saying solarbeam is broken. Seriously?
It's because too many people were losing to them, and, rather than making adjustments within their teams to compensate, they deemed it 'too powerful for use'. (Perhaps the members of Smogon also banned Garchomp for his ability naturally infringing on the 'no evasion boosting' thing.)
There are quasi-legendary monsters in each generation. They're super-strong, and evolve very late in the game to compensate. The problem, IMO, is people just using PokeSav and whatnot to pop them out at LV100 with perfect IVs, fully EV trained, and with movesets they read on sites like Smogon, rather than coming up with their own ideas.
lol, look who is whining. Chomp was banned for its ability to abuse hax and potentially come out on top against many of its so called counters. Excadrill single handedly turned the metagame into a bulky based one and completely eliminated scarfed mons and Hyper offense. They both centralized the metagame and that is why they were banned. Not because, the smogon whiners couldn't kill it. Both these mons were tested over a period of one year. It was not some knee jerk reaction.
Are you even aware that majority of the battling goes on simulators and not over wifi? It has nothing to do with "they use legit hacks" which sounds like an excuse more than anything else.
As for people using smogon sets, it is because they are effective. Period.
I will give you some advice. So listen up: If you have problems with how smogon functions then join smogon. Become a top-battler and become known there. And then post a thread explaining how garchomp and excadrill should be unbanned. Whining or complaining about the way a site functions(that too on another forum), especially when you are not aware of how the site functions won't take you anywhere.