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@Ranger Jack Walker: I'm breaking your post into multiple pieces in order to address it properly.
If you look at Serebii's top 100 Pokemon by speed list, Smeargle's not exactly fast, so even a Scarfed Smeargle could get shut down in a heartbeat by a Scarfed Fighting Type, or with Mach Punch alone, since even with a Defense-oriented nature, Smeargle likely won't reach 200 DEF at lv 100. I'd personally think that Breloom would be more threatening a Spore-spreader, but even it's got all kinds of weaknesses.
If Sleep Clause was repealed, there'd be a little while where all you'd see would be Smeargle, Breloom or other Sleep-oriented things, and the things that counter it. Then people will get over it, because the shiny newness of it will wear off, they'll come up with new strategies for play, and do something else, all without Smogon or whoever else setting it up for them.
@Professor Jacel: ...Really?
@Feliciano: Why do you think my thread needs to die?! Jeez, what did it ever do to you...? I supported your using of Flareon, instead of going with the Smogonny opinion that it should be Never Used.
Why is everyone so obsessed with things being so quick, anymore? Pokemon matches - long ones suck. Magic - long games suck. Even 4th edition is like that, with Essentials, now.
@Phoenix502: I like my popcorn slightly burnt, so you may not like it, but you're welcome to share.
Granted, but I was referring to evasion boosts in this instance, which you didn't mention in your Espeon retort (which I say again was a very good counter to many of the things I'd listed, but isn't unbeatable).I already pointed out that Evasion Boosts are stupidly easy to abuse by Espeon especially. It's not 'ignoring a point' if I can put up arguements against it.
To quote myself, "it felt less like advice and more like an elitist brushing-off, in most cases".But numerous people have suggested that you don't play with Smogon rules.
Why not give Smeargle Lock On, Sheer Cold and Judgment (for filler)? (And since many seem not to know whether or not I'm being serious, I'm not.)As for Sleep Clause, a Scarfed Smeargle with Spore can shut down your entire team if their were no Sleep Clause. There are fewer ways to counter such a situation. When you know that only one of your Pokemon can be put to sleep, its easy to sacrifice a Pokemon when you know that there's a Spore coming your way or alternately, abuse it by sending in Rest Talker or a Pokemon with Insomnia or something. But when all of your Pokemon can be put to sleep, this tactic doesn't work because it would mean creating an entire team of Rest Talkers or Pokemon with Insomnia/Early Bird.
If you look at Serebii's top 100 Pokemon by speed list, Smeargle's not exactly fast, so even a Scarfed Smeargle could get shut down in a heartbeat by a Scarfed Fighting Type, or with Mach Punch alone, since even with a Defense-oriented nature, Smeargle likely won't reach 200 DEF at lv 100. I'd personally think that Breloom would be more threatening a Spore-spreader, but even it's got all kinds of weaknesses.
If Sleep Clause was repealed, there'd be a little while where all you'd see would be Smeargle, Breloom or other Sleep-oriented things, and the things that counter it. Then people will get over it, because the shiny newness of it will wear off, they'll come up with new strategies for play, and do something else, all without Smogon or whoever else setting it up for them.
Do weather teams count as 'an entire team revolving around a single move'? What about using only the same 'strongest' six Pokemon to form a given team of any kind?There's something seriously wrong when your entire team revolves around a single move.
@Professor Jacel: ...Really?
@Feliciano: Why do you think my thread needs to die?! Jeez, what did it ever do to you...? I supported your using of Flareon, instead of going with the Smogonny opinion that it should be Never Used.
Why is everyone so obsessed with things being so quick, anymore? Pokemon matches - long ones suck. Magic - long games suck. Even 4th edition is like that, with Essentials, now.
@Phoenix502: I like my popcorn slightly burnt, so you may not like it, but you're welcome to share.
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