SwSh Starters Discussion

[El_]

Please Arceus no.

Or else Sobble's crying will be exactly what the fandom will be doing.

 

[Knightwolf09]

Please Arceus no.

Or else Sobble's crying will be exactly what the fandom will be doing.

It's not a bad typing or anything. Hecck it has the same weaknesses as Incineroar, Plus an Immunity to Ghost. Plus potential stab Extreme Speed and Double-Edge.

 

[PkmnTrainerV]

It's not a bad typing or anything. Hecck it has the same weaknesses as Incineroar, Plus an Immunity to Ghost. Plus potential stab Extreme Speed and Double-Edge.

It just doesn’t make sense to tack normal of all types on a starter at the end of the line. The starter final types have been really dynamic recently, and how does something become more “normal” as it evolves?

It’s not normal because it’s white...

 

[Knightwolf09]

It just doesn’t make sense to tack normal of all types on a starter at the end of the line. The starter final types have been really dynamic recently, and how does something become more “normal” as it evolves?

It’s not normal because it’s white...

Like I mentioned, the normal type also represents physicality. Supernatural strength. So as Scorbunny learns to harness his physical ability to it's best, It achieves the Normal type at top condition

This doesn’t happen in organic compounds (wood) though, unless Grookey's getting a metal drum. Organic compounds form covalent bond chains extremely hard to break, not ionic bonds.

But here's the thing, Grookey puts in solar energy from it's body into the stick, when the energy collides with an object it excites the atoms or electrons in the surrounding area, which for plants causes a form of psuedo photosynthesis

This becomes problematic when you notice that special normal type moves exist. Those moves are normal type probably because there is no elemental energy associated with it. Tackle, Quick Attack are probably not fighting because they’re meant to be early moves that give stab to the early normal type and teach the concept of neutral attacks to the player.

Highly specialised pure physical ability is more up fighting's alley. And that flavour text just says that Scorbunny needs to work out to increase its Fire energy. What else likes to work out to power up? Fighting types.

I don't think their types are clear till we see the middle evolutions. Adding normal with evolution of a starter is also weird since all its going to give Scorbunny is a weakness to fighting and a ghost immunity. The types of the fully evolved starters are usually dynamic.

But you also forget to mention move Strength or Extreme Speed. Both are rather strong move that both represent strength being put into attack. Most physical Normal moves say the same in fact

 

[PkmnTrainerV]

when the energy collides with an object it excites the atoms or electrons in the surrounding area, which for plants causes a form of psuedo photosynthesis

Is that speculation (flavour text maybe?) or rooted in science? Because excited électrons alone didn’t cause photosynthesis as far as I remembered... the source of photosynthesis is an entire proton (H+) obtained by splitting a water molecule.

But you also forget to mention move Strength or Extreme Speed. Both are rather strong move that both represent strength being put into attack. Most physical Normal moves say the same in fact

Yeah, but those moves are really not the norm. And most normal types aren’t known for their physical strength (some might be, but not all). Scorbunny warming up is also more reminiscent of fighting types and not normal. Agility is a psychic move and bulk up is fighting.

And normal isn’t dynamic, marketable, or wow-factor inducing type, specially to be added to one of the most marketed Pokémon of a generation. There’s a reason no Pokémon gains normal by evolution.
Athletics is much more suited to fighting.

The "bandages" also suggest fighting, or a pseudo fighting like Incineroar that might be steel or electric.

 

[PkmnTrainerV]

These are the types that are likely for Grookey imo:
Grass/Psychic
Grass/Fairy
Grass/Dark
Grass/Rock
Grass/Ground (less likely, I think)
Maybe even Grass/Fighting

Scorbunny;
Fire/Fighting
Fire/Steel
Fire/Electric
Pure Fire

Sobble: It is the one I have least idea on...
Water/Ghost
Water/Psychic
Water/Poison
Water/Dark (less likely after Greninja)

The starters seem to have so much potential that I think we need the middle evolutions to see the direction they’d be heading.

 

[Velvet]

I'm really pulling through for Water/Ghost or Water/Psychic for Sobble, Fire/Electric or Fire/Steel for Scorbunny and I guess Grass/Fighting or Grass/Dark for Grookey.

 

[PkmnTrainerV]

My personal picks are Fire/Electric for Scorbunny, Grass/Fairy or Dark for Grookey and Water/Psychic or Ghost for Sobble.

 

[Knightwolf09]

Is that speculation (flavour text maybe?) or rooted in science? Because excited électrons alone didn’t cause photosynthesis as far as I remembered... the source of photosynthesis is an entire proton (H+) obtained by splitting a water molecule.

"Absorption of light excites an electron to a higher energy state, thus converting the energy of sunlight to potential chemical energy. "

Yeah, but those moves are really not the norm. And most normal types aren’t known for their physical strength (some might be, but not all). Scorbunny warming up is also more reminiscent of fighting types and not normal. Agility is a psychic move and bulk up is fighting.

Snorlax, Slaking, Regigigas, and Buffolant are known for being incredibly strong physically. Plus, the moves like that you mentioned also play into the high athletic ability theme. Not to mention warming up by constantly moving is a natural reaction of a body, it nothing special, not even for fighting types.

And normal isn’t dynamic, marketable, or wow-factor inducing type, specially to be added to one of the most marketed Pokémon of a generation. There’s a reason no Pokémon gains normal by evolution.
Athletics is much more suited to fighting.

Scorbunny's speed is literally what's make it marketable. Not to mention it's still a Fire type. Plus poekmon like, Eevee, Munchlax, and as of recent Wooloo are hella marketable, not just cause of cute factor mind you. You need a broader scope my friend.

The "bandages" also suggest fighting, or a pseudo fighting like Incineroar that might be steel or electric.

Again, plays into t he athletic theme. Not all anime characters with bandages are always fighters.

 

[PkmnTrainerV]

Plus, the moves like that you mentioned also play into the high athletic ability theme. Not to mention warming up by constantly moving is a natural reaction of a body, it nothing special, not even for fighting types.

Scorbunny's speed is literally what's make it marketable. Not to mention it's still a Fire type. Plus poekmon like, Eevee, Munchlax, and as of recent Wooloo are hella marketable, not just cause of cute factor mind you. You need a broader scope my friend.

None of them boast of a "cool" aesthetic though. I'm thinking logically and what they would do irrespective of my personal preferences. My own scopes are broad enough. It makes much more sense to hype up an athlete with fighting or some other type. Normal is stereotypically the "plain old type".

There’s a reason no Pokémon ever gains the normal type if it wasn’t one in the first place, that’s the major reason. If there are any normal attributes in a Pokemon, it’ll show affinity for them in the base stage itself, since most basic moves are normal type.

Snorlax, Slaking, Regigigas, and Buffolant are known for being incredibly strong physically.

Did you even read my post? You literally quoted me mentioning

some might be, but not all

Chansey isn’t known for its physicality.

Deliberately warming up for a sporting activity is a work out though.

 

[swiftgallade46]

Scorbunny's speed is literally what's make it marketable. Not to mention it's still a Fire type. Plus poekmon like, Eevee, Munchlax, and as of recent Wooloo are hella marketable, not just cause of cute factor mind you.

What. They literally are all marketable because of their cuteness. That’s the whole point. Marketing is entirely about how the aesthetic of the Pokémon plays into its merchandising potential. People like cute things.

Normal is not a type, but rather a misc. category. Pokemon and moves only get this type if they either are incredibly generic or there's no other type that suits them. I highly doubt that any starter will actually gain the Normal-type.

Normal...is a Type. Normal-Type. I wouldn’t call Porygon-Z “generic” and I could easily have seen them making it Electric. I could see a starter being part Normal at some point. Idk if Scorbunny is the one, though.

 

[PkmnTrainerV]

Normal is not a type, but rather a misc. category. Pokemon and moves only get this type if they either are incredibly generic or there's no other type that suits them. I highly doubt that any starter will actually gain the Normal-type.

Not really. Normal probably has a specific brand of energy but it isn’t elemental like Fire, Water, or Fairy.

 

[RileyXY1]

Scorbunny being athletic does not mean that it will become part Normal.

 

[Knightwolf09]

None of them boast of a "cool" aesthetic though. I'm thinking logically and what they would do irrespective of my personal preferences. My own scopes are broad enough. It makes much more sense to hype up an athlete with fighting or some other type. Normal is stereotypically the "plain old type".

Normal is the non-element type, the neutral. Athlete's don't always associate with fighting, looks at track runners, or basket ball players. Do you see them in fights? Athletic ability is not the same as combat ability. So no, just lumping it with Fighting type is not that simple.

There’s a reason no Pokémon ever gains the normal type if it wasn’t one in the first place, that’s the major reason. If there are any normal attributes in a Pokemon, it’ll show affinity for them in the base stage itself, since most basic moves are normal type.

Oh yeah, just as there's no reason to change a starter's secondary typing at it's final evolution. There's no written rule, it's a matter of not happening yet.

Did you even read my post? You literally quoted me mentioning

Chansey isn’t known for its physicality.

Deliberately warming up for a sporting activity is a work out though.

But it's not a means of fighting, it's just an excercise.

 

[PocketMonster]

I can see a starter getting a normal type if one of the other starters have alot of Ghost moves in their move pool or is part Ghost. Normal isn't completely useless.

 

[Knightwolf09]

I can see a starter getting a normal type if one of the other starters have alot of Ghost moves in their move pool or is part Ghost. Normal isn't completely useless.

Exactly. There's only 2 types that resist it, and one immune, everything else hits nuetral damage. Plus it's still be able to learn Fighting moves, cause kicking is Scorbunny's main combat style, and Fighting moves aren't limited to fighting types. Heck plenty of normal's actually learn Fighting moves.

 

[PocketMonster]

I do think that Sobble will have Ghost moves even if it's typing isn't Ghost if the Leak is right about having a Spy theme.
And if Grookey is grass/fairy it could have some psychic moves.

 

[yudgefudge]

Normal means basic. Nothing special. Strength is just, well strength. Extreme Speed is just a fast hit.

Fighting is more of martial arts, or physical, trained strength, not punching and kicking.
Athleticism is a normal ability.
The fighting type represents a trained physical strength skill; not athleticism.

 

[Knightwolf09]

I do think that Sobble will have Ghost moves even if it's typing isn't Ghost if the Leak is right about having a Spy theme.

If not Water/Ghost, I feel Water/Psychic could be another good matchup. Either that or Dark

 

[yudgefudge]

Psychic? Eh......
I like it.