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Now, I do take issue that such a ruling -a ruling whose sentiment I insist, share, and agree with- is labeled as "equality" when it isn't, even if it's the right thing to do, which I said in the very post you quoted. But I have no need or desire to insult, persecute, or otherwise bash anybody. Do you think I want the topic/issue/situation open to discussion so I can hate on people? Because it seems to me you're under the impression that I want permission to call you names and make you feel horrible about yourself, and I do not want that at all. I'd like to know if there's anything I've said that makes you feel that way, so I can revise it and try to explain myself better.
I don't think you really get it. The very notion that gay equality is something that is "up for discussion and debate" is offensive to gay people.
To clarify my point of view, I don't think excepting a certain issue -repeat; any issue- from discussion falls under the definition of equality.
I don't think that it's the place of people who aren't LGBT to tell people who are what we should consider to constitute "equality."
I don't think censorship is ever a preferable method to healthy discussion. It's not about prohibiting gay-bashing (which I am in favor of, and was under the impression that was already forbidden), it's about prohibiting discussion. That's the part I don't agree with.
So I assume that if a white supremacist here wanted to start "a discussion" about whether black people should have the right to vote, you would be all in favor of him being able to do that, because otherwise it would be "censorship"? If a male chauvinist wanted to "just discuss" whether or not women can be as smart as men, you would stand up for him?
And I'm sorry, but saying that somebody can't weigh in on an issue because they don't understand it the way you do is a fallacy. Special Pleading, to be precise. That doesn't mean that you're not right, but I feel compelled to point it out.
As someone who is pretty familiar with logical fallacies, what Jewelfox is saying is not special pleading. She justified her point (relating it to how people don't make these arguments about other kinds of oppressions), and also, it's not like the expertise she has is some sort of "secret knowledge" that no one else has. People don't argue "special pleading" when someone with a Ph.D. in medicine indicates s/he might know more about how the flu vaccine works than someone who hasn't taken a biology class since high school. Likewise, it's not special pleading to assert LGBT people do, in fact, know more about what it's like to be an LGBT person and face anti-LGBT prejudice than straight people do. Because, duh. Of course we do.
You might want to familiarize yourself with the concept of privilege and how it allows you to be ignorant of certain realities that less-privileged people face. Here are some of the specific examples of privileges straight people have. This is not some abstract concept like "common sense" (as would actually be a case of "special pleading"). The evidence is everywhere.
Lastly, no one is saying you can't weigh in at all. We're saying that LGBT people's opinions should have more weight, in the same way that an actual doctor's opinion should have more weight in a medical discussion than someone who just looked it up on WebMD.
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