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The Bulbagarden Conversational Chat Thread Vol 4

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I dont really need that many shoes really. Im not really that into shoes or fashion at all.
 

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I'm not into fashion either, but my mother and sister are, so they buy me as much as they possibly can. Eh, I hardly ever wear half the stuff they buy for me anyway.
 

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Haha, I'm like Aquanova. XD I have 1 pair of crocs (is that what they're called?), running shoes, and these black sandals that I only wear when I have a school band concert, since we're required to wear black for those.

So yeah, 3 pairs of shoes, one of them I barely wear at all. XD
 

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bad it makes me feel to know I'm not eating carcasses and using up energy that could be used to grow enough grain to myself as well as people who are starving.
Vegetarians are depressed because they're the only ones who understand the cruelty going on here.


First of all, not all land can be used to produce corn/whatever. They can however be used for grazing etc. To say that that energy could have been used otherwise is not entirely correct. (of course if you prop up a cow on corn, then I would agree, and that is the case a lot of times). Besides, animals gives us more than meat.

Moreover, I don't really think that vegetarians can claim any moral highground regarding that "we don't eat carcasses" thing. You eat organic material, things that lived as well, I don't see how it really makes a difference between a plant and a pig. Besides, who said eating animals are immoral? Giving them poor living conditions, stuffing them together in tight spots, sure, but eating them? I really don't see the problem.

To cut it short, it's not as black and white as what you're trying to make it. I have no problem with vegetarians or the like at all, and quite a few people could very well cut heavily on the meat, but that doesn't make everything else right.

On a completely different note, got my new laptop. Wooh!
Cool. I was just referring to the amount of grain that could be consumed by humans instead of animals. Yes, of course you can argue that eating plants as just as bad as slaughtering a pig. We eat things that don't feel fear and pain when they're killed. It's entirely different than eating things with as much consciousness and emotion as humans, with only the barrier of language and intelligence.
 

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I have one pair of shoes I actually wear and I think two more. I don't care about fashion really.

Edit: ^ plants might have emotions, we just don't know how to recognise emotions from plant life.
 

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I have one pair of shoes I actually wear and I think two more. I don't care about fashion really.

Edit: ^ plants might have emotions, we just don't know how to recognise emotions from plant life.

Shoes are cool.
It would be pretty sad if something evolved to have emotions, but was unable to escape. The point of fear and pain is to make that creature escape what's hurting or endangering it.
 

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It's entirely different than eating things with as much consciousness and emotion as humans, with only the barrier of language and intelligence.

My point is that you kill life anyways. Just because you want to differentiate between animals and plants doesn't make it any more right. Moreover, eating meat is pretty natural, and occurs everywhere in nature. I don't see how humans shouldn't be included in that, even though a lot of people like to pretend we're above animals just because we dress up.


On a completely different note, I got a sms from ... the Norwegian Army, wanting to know what I felt was worth defending our country for. Oh well, at least they're trying to get with the times. I'm still waiting to be called in for repetition drills, but the longer I have to wait, the better.
 

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Plants don't have lives or family or emotions. Animals eat other animals because they need to to survive. Humans kill for pleasure.
 

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Hunting is killing for pleasure. Humans aren't the only animals that hunt for pleasure though, for example kitty cats.

Not every time a human kills, it's for pleasure. Sometimes it can be for survival. Other times just for food, but that can be linked with survival.

Besides, some people hunt for food. And due to fucked up amount of predators, hunting might be required to keep populations in check so they don't fuck up the rest of the environment with their natural enemies gone.

But yes, some people do hunt for pleasure (but I disagree that all hunting is for pleasure). That is not equal to saying humans kills for pleasure.
 

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Humans kill for pleasure.

Please, you know as well as I do that's not true.

As for the other, are you trying to imply that plants don't have lives? Are you actually being serious?

Hunting is killing for pleasure. Humans aren't the only animals that hunt for pleasure though, for example kitty cats.

How much do cats actually kill? [Infographic] - The Oatmeal

Yeah, that's where I got the idea.
 

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I don't let my cat out at night because he has no claws. He can go out during the day though because he stays close.
 

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I dont let my cat out because I live near a road, and although she is scared of a lot of things, I can't trust she'll be safe outside. Although my mother seems to be convinced otherwise.
 

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My cat can go outside and kill all he wants to. Which he used to do. Though for the last few years he hasn't killed anything at all (hasn't brought anything home at least) because he's getting old.
 

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I don't know if he kills anything outside (probably but he doesn't bring it home), but two mice that he found inside met with a terrible fate.

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Humans kill for pleasure.

Please, you know as well as I do that's not true.

As for the other, are you trying to imply that plants don't have lives? Are you actually being serious?

Hunting is killing for pleasure. Humans aren't the only animals that hunt for pleasure though, for example kitty cats.

I disagree with that, while at the same time agreeing. I don't hunt just to hunt. I mean, yes, I enjoy hunting, but we eat whatever we get. That said, we don't need venison (I deer hunt mostly), but we like it so we hunt when we get the chance. Especially since you can't buy venison at the grocery store.

The only people who hunt for pure pleasure or to show off are the rich bigots who think "hunting" is breeding deer/fowl/hogs on their personal fenced property and having designated feeding areas where there's a 100% chance of the stock animals showing up. Throw these guys in a real hunting situation and they have no clue what to do. Most of the stories you hear about irresponsible hunters are these idiots or people who see it on TV and think they can waltz into a forest then shoot something. Hunters who mean it actually take better care of forests and fields than the government appointed environmental services, and unless a species is rare for the area, hunting keeps animal population at an acceptable level so they don't starve themselves to death out of food competition.

tl;dr - Hunters don't have an obsession with killing like everybody seems to think.
 
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