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The Bulbagarden Conversational Chat Thread Vol 4

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Goodbye Blue Monday

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To be fair, I do think radical feminist arguments re: prostitution are slightly more legitimate because I do get annoyed at hearing some tiny minority of women who chose to become professional dommes or whatever used to argue that sex work can be "empowering," when the vast majority of prostitutes worldwide were either illegally trafficked or forced into it out of economic necessity, and most can't demand anything of their clients re: using protection and stuff like that. But I still disagree with them that prostitution being illegal is the solution to all that. I think making it legal and regulated would allow prostitutes to have more power to enforce certain things on their clients, and to report abuse at the hands of clients or pimps.

The problem is they try to apply those same arguments to porn, and it doesn't work at all. Porn is a legal, regulated industry with its own strict standards about who can get into it. People who sign up to appear in that porn are consenting adults. Of course, there's a lot of amateur stuff on the Internet where there might be more questionable ideas about consent, but then, why not just regulate that particular kind of porn for violating other laws against sex trafficking or rape, rather than try to ban the whole industry?

I'm not an expert on feminism so I can't really comment.

I'm not even sure what "sex positive" means. From context I think it means you are okay with having sex, but it could also mean you're okay with transgender individuals, or you are biologically female.

Well I'm specifically talking within feminism, where it's the subset of feminism that came around in the 1990s and is probably most common today, that believes that sexual freedom is essential to women's equality. In terms of individual ideals it means you don't think things like porn or prostitution etc. are inherently anti-feminist, or you don't think banning them is the solution. And it means that you are pro-transgender, usually.

Basically it just means that you reject radical feminist ideas about sex. Here's the Wikipedia article if it makes things less confusing.
 

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@Goodbye Blue Monday; If you think about it, there's really not much difference between porn and prostitution. In both cases people are getting paid to have sex, but it's somehow more legally acceptable when there happens to be a camera running.
 

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@Goodbye Blue Monday; If you think about it, there's really not much difference between porn and prostitution. In both cases people are getting paid to have sex, but it's somehow more legally acceptable when there happens to be a camera running.

There is in the sense of how it's often practiced, though. That's what I mean about how radfem arguments are more applicable to one than the other.

The fact that prostitution is mostly illegal in much of the Western industrialized world, whereas porn is not, means that the latter is able to have its own industry with standards that make sure that the people involved are consenting. The former, not so much.
 

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Well here it is legalized, and I am glad that it is :3. Lol no I don't go there but it is way better to offer a legal alternative then to push these thing into
illegality. Now you can control it, when it is illegal not so much.
 
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Well here it is legalized, and I am glad that it is :3. Lol no I do go there but it is way better to offer a legal alternative then to push these thing into
illegality. Now you can control it, when it is illegal not so much.

You guys also have legal marijuana. The Netherlands basically has the sensible approach to all these things it seems. :)

ETA: Okay I'm going out to get food and to look for jobs. Sayonara!
 

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Well here it is legalized, and I am glad that it is :3. Lol no I do go there but it is way better to offer a legal alternative then to push these thing into
illegality. Now you can control it, when it is illegal not so much.

So you do go there? :D
 

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Well here it is legalized, and I am glad that it is :3. Lol no I do go there but it is way better to offer a legal alternative then to push these thing into
illegality. Now you can control it, when it is illegal not so much.

Aren't explicit images and videos legal everywhere in the west? If not, a lot of people I know are in deep shit.
 

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Well here it is legalized, and I am glad that it is :3. Lol no I do go there but it is way better to offer a legal alternative then to push these thing into
illegality. Now you can control it, when it is illegal not so much.

Aren't explicit images and videos legal everywhere in the west? If not, a lot of people I know are in deep shit.

He meant prostitution, not porn.
 

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Well here it is legalized, and I am glad that it is :3. Lol no I do go there but it is way better to offer a legal alternative then to push these thing into
illegality. Now you can control it, when it is illegal not so much.

Aren't explicit images and videos legal everywhere in the west? If not, a lot of people I know are in deep shit.

He meant prostitution, not porn.

If it is legalized stateside, The Netherlands would lose a lot of tourism dollars.
 

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If it is legalized stateside, The Netherlands would lose a lot of tourism dollars.

I doubt it. There are other reasons to go to Amsterdam besides prostitutes and pot.

And if you're an American and you just want to go somewhere where there's legalized prostitution, Vegas is a lot closer and cheaper.
 

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Well here it is legalized, and I am glad that it is :3. Lol no I do go there but it is way better to offer a legal alternative then to push these thing into
illegality. Now you can control it, when it is illegal not so much.

Aren't explicit images and videos legal everywhere in the west? If not, a lot of people I know are in deep shit.

He meant prostitution, not porn.

If it is legalized stateside, The Netherlands would lose a lot of tourism dollars.

I doubt it. There are other reasons to go to Amsterdam besides prostitutes and pot.

And if you're an American and you really want to go somewhere where there's legalized prostitution, Nevada is a lot closer and cheaper.

And you can head over to Colorado or Washington if you want legal marijuana as well.
 

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And you can head over to Colorado or Washington if you want legal marijuana as well.

Yeah, although whether that's going to last when it's in conflict with federal laws re: drugs is up in the air.

And the University of Colorado Boulder is even closing its campus on 4/20 to discourage the "celebration" there, despite the new law.
 

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They might go after the occasional dispensary, but I don't think individuals have anything to worry about.
 

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If it is legalized stateside, The Netherlands would lose a lot of tourism dollars.

I doubt it. There are other reasons to go to Amsterdam besides prostitutes and pot.

And if you're an American and you just want to go somewhere where there's legalized prostitution, Vegas is a lot closer and cheaper.

Prostitutes are not legal in Vegas, surprisingly. Only in the countryside of Nevada.

A guy at my school got arrested for pot the other day. He had it coming though. He was pretty fucking obvious about it.
 

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I could do with some weed.

I'd hope Scotland legalises it by 2020.
 

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I could use some weed or mushrooms right now. To forget my money problems.

But the method of acquiring them, which is paying a lot for them, would make my problems worse.

So I really just need a rich friend to give me drugs.


Speaking of drugs, I love that I got to defend my favorite drug addiction (diet soda) in News of the World today! Yay!
 
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