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The Bulbagarden Conversational Chat, Vol. 3

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DerMißingno

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Everyone smokes weed.

Weed is such an American thing. If you were to compare it to here in Norway, I'm pretty sure you'd see pretty big differences.

Done applying. Funny thing is that I don't need the money, I just need something to do all summer. Couldn't really care less about the money at the time being. Oh well.

I hear it's pretty big in Amsterdam.
 

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Could be. Only been to Amsterdam once, didn't exactly check it out.

At least I get the feeling it's more of an American thing. I know it's not, but at least compared to local conditions...
 

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Everyone smokes weed.

Weed is such an American thing. If you were to compare it to here in Norway, I'm pretty sure you'd see pretty big differences.

Done applying. Funny thing is that I don't need the money, I just need something to do all summer. Couldn't really care less about the money at the time being. Oh well.

I hear it's pretty big in Amsterdam.

Yeah, mainly because 50% of the people living there are foreigners. Out which I'm willing to bet a big chunk came there only because they're drug addicts and think Amsterdam is like what they see in movies.

edit: I like to point out that 50% is not an exegaration. Literally slighty above 50% of the people living in Amsterdam weren't born in the Netherlands.

edit 2: Also tourists of course. They're probably more to blame than the foreigners.
 
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DerMißingno

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Everyone smokes weed.

Weed is such an American thing. If you were to compare it to here in Norway, I'm pretty sure you'd see pretty big differences.

Done applying. Funny thing is that I don't need the money, I just need something to do all summer. Couldn't really care less about the money at the time being. Oh well.

I hear it's pretty big in Amsterdam.

Yeah, mainly because 50% of the people living there are foreigners. Out which I'm willing to bet a big chunk came there only because they're drug addicts and think Amsterdam is like what they see in movies.

edit: I like to point out that 50% is not an exegaration. Literally slighty above 50% of the people living in Amsterdam weren't born in the Netherlands.

edit 2: Also tourists of course. They're probably more to blame than the foreigners.

So it is big in Amsterdam then.
 

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It does. When you say Ajax is big in Amsterdam you're not counting the tourists preferences either. When you say the PvdA is big in Amsterdam (don't know what political party is actually big there), you're also not counting the tourists.

Tourists aren't counted because the CBS can't poll them. And polls/statistics are the basis for any claims about a population. If something's big with tourists in Amsterdam, it does not mean it's big in Amsterdam, because in that context Amsterdam = the residents living there.

For example, if I go to whatever small American town with 600 non-American people and we start campaigning Ron Paul everywhere in that town, that town still won't be big on Ron Paul if nobody there actually votes for Ron Paul, no matter what us tourists do or say.
 

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If they're living there then they are polled regardless of whether they were born in Amsterdam or not, just as immigrants have the right to vote in the United States.
 

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If they're living there then they are polled regardless of whether they were born in Amsterdam or not, just as immigrants have the right to vote in the United States.

If they're living there legally. And I was talking about tourists. Of course immigrants count.

70% of Amsterdam's immigrants are classified as "non-whites" by the way (as most of Europe's immigrants), so I'd take them to less likely to migrate because of legal drugs (and more for the same reasons as why other immigrants come here).
 

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You said "Yeah, mainly because 50% of the people living there are foreigners. Out which I'm willing to bet a big chunk came there only because they're drug addicts and think Amsterdam is like what they see in movies."

If they're living there, then they're not tourists, they're immigrants.
 

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You said "Yeah, mainly because 50% of the people living there are foreigners. Out which I'm willing to bet a big chunk came there only because they're drug addicts and think Amsterdam is like what they see in movies."

If they're living there, then they're not tourists, they're immigrants.

Re-read the post, it's next to "edit 2". Also it appeared in your quote, so I couldn't have edited it in after you quoted it.
 

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So what? As long as it's big with the foreigners, it's big. I suspect that many natural born Netherlandites are not as pure as you believe them to be either anyway.
 

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So what? As long as it's big with the foreigners, it's big.

I already explained why that isn't true with like three examples. I could list them again, but I'd only be repeating myself.

I suspect that many natural born Netherlandites are not as pure as you believe them to be either anyway.

Let me reply to that, with statistics. Statistics are your friend when backing up or refuting claims.

(1997-1999) "The figures for cannabis use among the general population reveal the same pictures. The Netherlands does not differ greatly from other European countries. In contrast, a comparison with the US shows a striking difference in this area: 32.9% of Americans aged 12 and above have experience with cannabis and 5.1% have used in the past month. These figures are twice as high as those in the Netherlands."

Source: Netherlands Ministry of Health, Welfare and Sport, Drug Policy in the Netherlands: Progress Report September 1997-September 1999, (The Hague: Ministry of Health, Welfare and Sport, November 1999), pp. 7-8.

The Netherlands Compared With The United States | Drug War Facts

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You can be living in a country and not be an immigrant, it just depends on whether you plan on staying there permanently and are going through the citizenship process. If you don't and aren't, you're a foreigner.

I guess the question is what percentage of those people smoke it habitually versus "I tried it once on a dare"

But either way, marijuana is an issue in the U.S. I personally don't see the point, outside of medical reasons, but some of my fellow college students didn't agree.

Now that I'm back home, I'm kind of curious about the prevalence of weed versus the prevalence of meth here.
 

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I have a draft blog titled "HOW TO MAKE GUACAMOLE" and I can't remember what it was about.
 

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You can be living in a country and not be an immigrant, it just depends on whether you plan on staying there permanently and are going through the citizenship process.

We call them "asielzoekers" (asylum seekers) in that case. And even when they're full-blown citizens but not born in the Netherlands, we still call them "allochtoon". And that latter word doesn't have a proper English word for it, so I'm just using "immigrant" in its place.
 
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