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The Bulbagarden Conversational Chat, Vol. 3

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Gaebora's Reincarnation=King of Hyrule in OoT and King of Red Lions in Wind Waker.

He does look a little like the King of Red Lions, but I'm quite convinced he's Kaepora Gaebora. He looks like him, has about the same name as him, and even laughs like an owl.

As for Groose, he does slightly resemble Linebeck but I dought there is any relation. Also....

It was more of a joke theory. They're just my favourite two Zelda characters, and are kinda alike :3

I do have another theory though, but I will have to finetune it, as my brother punched some holes in it: Zelda I happens within Skyward Sword.

As seen from Impa, time paradoxes are not a problem in this game. Right after Hylia creates Skyloft, all of Hyrule is destroyed and filled with monsters. There aren't any towns anywhere either. Just like in the original Zelda, the only other game that has this. Since SS Link beats Demise right after Skyloft is sent to the sky, Demise's curse is cast pretty quickly after that, meaning SS Link's task is complete (in the past) and reïncarnation's can begin (as technically SS Link isn't even born yet, so technically SS Link would be a reïncarnation of an earlier Link). Then Zelda I would take place. (Time travel is complicated :3)

However, I have never completed Zelda I, and never played Zelda II, so I don't know how many holes this may leave in it. Still, I kinda like this theory, as it would place Zelda I and II in the timeline without resorting to a dystopic future for Hyrule.

Did you also get the impression that Ghrihim and Fi are opposites of each other, seeing as their forms are identical and they both reside in main characters weapons?

Yeah, but that was pretty obvious.
Before the last battle with Ghirahim he transforms in the sword for a brief moment, and the sword is drawn from his chest. Also in his final (black) form, his body gets the same metallic look like Fi, and he loses his eyes, also just like Fi. He even calls himself "[an] ultimate weapon".

I quite liked Fi's last moments by the way. "My memory of my moments with you, they are my most precious data." ^^
 

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He does look a little like the King of Red Lions, but I'm quite convinced he's Kaepora Gaebora. He looks like him, has about the same name as him, and even laughs like an owl.

Maybe he's both, seeing as he looks just like the king of Hyrule and he wears the red that all the kings of Hyrule do AND he is the father of Zelda. But then again, there is the owl that resembles him and the name. Hmmmm, I might have to go with King of Hyrule on this one even though both have compelling evidence.

It was more of a joke theory. They're just my favourite two Zelda characters, and are kinda alike :3

I loved Phantom Hourglass, especially the customizable boat feature. There were a lot of other things I loved about the game, it was basically good overall.

I do have another theory though, but I will have to finetune it, as my brother punched some holes in it: Zelda I happens within Skyward Sword.

As seen from Impa, time paradoxes are not a problem in this game. Right after Hylia creates Skyloft, all of Hyrule is destroyed and filled with monsters. There aren't any towns anywhere either. Just like in the original Zelda, the only other game that has this. Since SS Link beats Demise right after Skyloft is sent to the sky, Demise's curse is cast pretty quickly after that, meaning SS Link's task is complete (in the past) and reïncarnation's can begin (as technically SS Link isn't even born yet, so technically SS Link would be a reïncarnation of an earlier Link). Then Zelda I would take place. (Time travel is complicated :3)

However, I have never completed Zelda I, and never played Zelda II, so I don't know how many holes this may leave in it. Still, I kinda like this theory, as it would place Zelda I and II in the timeline without resorting to a dystopic future for Hyrule.

But the thing about that is, the game ends with them back in their own time with the only "human" left in that time being Impa and the people of Skyloft, so there is no possible way Zelda I or II fit in there. Though, it would make sense if they had stayed in the past.

Yeah, but that was pretty obvious.
Before the last battle with Ghirahim he transforms in the sword for a brief moment, and the sword is drawn from his chest. Also in his final (black) form, his body gets the same metallic look like Fi, and he loses his eyes, also just like Fi. He even calls himself "[an] ultimate weapon".

I quite liked Fi's last moments by the way. "My memory of my moments with you, they are my most precious data." ^^

Right, I was just making sure.

I thought Fi's last moments was the ultimate character development moment of the game. Also, im wondering if Fi is the source of the Master Sword's power, because I have a theory if that is true
 

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But the thing about that is, the game ends with them back in their own time with the only "human" left in that time being Impa and the people of Skyloft, so there is no possible way Zelda I or II fit in there. Though, it would make sense if they had stayed in the past.

The question is if that's really the case though. I haven't seen any Sheikah in Skyloft, and yet Impa says she's from the Sheikah. Where else would they be if not on the ground below? People in Zelda I are all hiding out in caves, and are all old people. It could be they were Sheikah who decided to stay down below to fight along with the other creatures. Only unlike the other species, the Sheikah would've gone extinct.

It's only an attempt to place Zelda I in the timeline though. Personally I take the timelines with a grain of salt. Just compare all different new and missing species in SS, OoT and WW. Evolution doesn't go that fast. The same for all the "acient" temples and dungeons. If they're so acient, why weren't they in the previous games? Like Miyamoto once said, Nintendo's goal is to make good games, the timeline comes second to that.


Hello. What goes on here...?

Us two exchanging Zelda theories. Only they do contain some Skyward Sword spoilers.
 

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The question is if that's really the case though. I haven't seen any Sheikah in Skyloft, and yet Impa says she's from the Sheikah. Where else would they be if not on the ground below? People in Zelda I are all hiding out in caves, and are all old people. It could be they were Sheikah who decided to stay down below to fight along with the other creatures. Only unlike the other species, the Sheikah would've gone extinct.

It's only an attempt to place Zelda I in the timeline though. Personally I take the timelines with a grain of salt. Just compare all different new and missing species in SS, OoT and WW. Evolution doesn't go that fast. The same for all the "acient" temples and dungeons. If they're so acient, why weren't they in the previous games? Like Miyamoto once said, Nintendo's goal is to make good games, the timeline comes second to that.




Us two exchanging Zelda theories. Only they do contain some Skyward Sword spoilers.

I can dig your Zelda I theory, sounds pretty legit. What I'm wondering is if the dragons have any relation to the spirits in TP.
 

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I can dig your Zelda I theory, sounds pretty legit. What I'm wondering is if the dragons have any relation to the spirits in TP.

I haven't played TP yet. The graphics are putting me off. But the eternal-life-having dragons are gone too in OoT, another one of my points for why you shouldn't take the timeline too seriously.

Also, I just noticed Groose's leitmotif is found in the Imprisoned's theme.

Also, The Imprisoned > Demise, But I already explained why that is a fact :p

I loved how the first two times you had to battle the Imprisoned no one would tell you what exactly he was and why you had to battle him. You just did because he looked kinda evil and they told you to. He's now one of my favourite Zelda bosses (and probably one of the most challenging) :3
 

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Just found out I didn't place in a YouTube contest. B'aww. Oh well, there's always next time.
 

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I haven't played TP yet. The graphics are putting me off. But the eternal-life-having dragons are gone too in OoT, another one of my points for why you shouldn't take the timeline too seriously.

It's a great game, try to get it. Also, in TP at every location (Lake Hylia, Faron Woods, Lanyrun Desert) there is the spirit of a dragon who helps you along the way.

Also, I just noticed Groose's leitmotif is found in the Imprisoned's theme.

Also, The Imprisoned > Demise, But I already explained why that is a fact :p

I loved how the first two times you had to battle the Imprisoned no one would tell you what exactly he was and why you had to battle him. You just did because he looked kinda evil and they told you to. He's now one of my favourite Zelda bosses (and probably one of the most challenging) :3

I thought the Imprisoned was interesting, and they explained who the Imprisoned was after the first fight with him. Not to mention you saw him in your dreams so that was just screaming "evil boss monster".
 

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and they explained who the Imprisoned was after the first fight with him.

No they didn't. All Grannie said was that there was no time to explain because the seal might break again quickly, and that you should get all the flames. Then the second time, she says there is no time to explain and that the seal might break again any moment, and that you should go through the gate. Only then finally Zelda explains what he is (though she could've been clearer in her explanation).
 

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No they didn't. All Grannie said was that there was no time to explain because the seal might break again quickly, and that you should get all the flames. Then the second time, she says there is no time to explain and that the seal might break again any moment, and that you should go through the gate. Only then finally Zelda explains what he is (though she could've been clearer in her explanation).

I thought she said before the part about the seal, that it was an evil being of unspeakable power sealed away by the goddess? Maybe not.
 

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I thought she said before the part about the seal, that it was an evil being of unspeakable power sealed away by the goddess? Maybe not.

She did say that, but that's hardly any info if you ask me. Fi has not much more info than that either.
 

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True, now for a change of topic.

My recent new "thing" is multigrain Tostitos. They are so much better and tastier then the regular ones and healthier too. Those with Habonaro salsa=amazing.
 
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