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The Fairy Type and Alterations to Type Chart

Is the Fairy-type OP?


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Vilendil

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On a personal note, if it would give Meganium a niche that could finally garner some respect from players, I'd be all for it, though I am apprehensive about the potential 4x Poison weakness.

If Fairy weakness is confirmed, I wish they would just take off Grass weakness to Poison then. Plants are not particularly more susceptible to toxins than we are, or bugs, or other animals. Instead, they are capable of filtering a variety of poisons and polluting components. For me, the argument of herbicides just doesn't stick.
And in terms of game, if Poison SE a type that counters Dragon, it would be more widespread and we should have all 5 threats to Grass all around. I think it's too much, as there are very strong types with 1 ou 2 weakness only.
 

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Just because they introduce a new type doesn't mean every cutesy pokemon has to be reconned into it. Less is more for a reason. Also, on principle, I don't think any legendary pokemon, even Celebi, should be retyped.

No one ever said only cutesy Mon are being retconned for Fairy. If you look at my and Guy_Spy's lists, we include things that aren't stereotypical for what people might see as Fairy-esque. The fact that a lot of Pokemon who fit the typing ARE cutesy is just a coincidence, not a requirement or standard. Hell, Spiritomb is about as far as cutesy as you can get, yet I can see it being Ghost/Fairy because of its Dex description. Also in my case, I left out a lot of cute Pokemon, so no one is saying EVERY ADORABLE POKEMON MUST BE MADE FAIRY 8D.

My list of possible Fairy-Type'mon. I think they could give the fairy type for up to 20 older pokémon. And they could also keep babies like Azurill, Cleffa and Igglybuff normal types and only becoming Fairies after evolve.

PS.: Mawile is labeled as "Already a Fairy-Type" according to the pokebeach's rumors.

Haha, I was considering a lot of the Pokemon you listed, like Buneary and Minccino's lines, but a lot of them don't inherently strike me as Fairy-esque.

Also, that PokeBeach rumor about Mawile is, for now, just that: a rumor. It hasn't been confirmed or denied yet, so there's no real point in saying it's 100% legit at this time.


On a personal note, if it would give Meganium a niche that could finally garner some respect from players, I'd be all for it, though I am apprehensive about the potential 4x Poison weakness.

If Fairy weakness is confirmed, I wish they would just take off Grass weakness to Poison then. Plants are not particularly more susceptible to toxins than we are, or bugs, or other animals. Instead, they are capable of filtering a variety of poisons and polluting components. For me, the argument of herbicides just doesn't stick.
And in terms of game, if Poison SE a type that counters Dragon, it would be more widespread and we should have all 5 threats to Grass all around. I think it's too much, as there are very strong types with 1 ou 2 weakness only.

Herbicides and pollution = Grass weakness to Poison, which makes perfect sense to me. Bug needs to be weak to Poison again, thanks to the HUGE prevalence of pesticides in the world that kill not only their target pest, but many beneficial insects as well. Not only that, but Grass is currently the only strength Poison has. If Fairy DOES turn out to be weak to Poison, I'd be happy with them removing Grass's weakness and instead making Water weak to Poison instead, even though it seems silly to remove Grass's weakness to start with.
 

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If Grass had three weaknesses (Fire, Bug, Poison) and was resisted only by itself and the aforementioned three weaknesses, I think it could be one of the better types in the metagame without going so far as to being broken. Currently, it leans more toward anti-meta than anything else.

But this isn't the forum to discuss Grass types. This is about Fairy types.

And using that as my segue, I think there should be a connection between Grass and Fairy. I mean, the imagery that fairies conjure usually involves them having a deep connection to forests and plant-life. You have your tree spirits (dryads?) pixies, elves, and sprites all either living within the forest or serving as forest protectors. I feel this should be represented in the game in some form.

In my personal headcanon, Grass would resist Fairy, but deal neutral damage to it. Also, Grass Pokemon should learn some Fairy type moves and vice versa. Nothing how the imbalanced Water/Ice thing is, but Grass types are notorious for their shallow movepools. Learning Fairy moves would help alleviate that to some degree. With that being said, I do think that whatever the Fairy type's equivalent to Ice Beam/Punch is, should remain exclusive to Fairy Pokemon and vice versa. We wouldn't want a repeat of the Ice type fiasco, now would we?

Or, if nothing else, there should at least be a sizable number of Grass/Fairy Pokemon introduced.

On a more realistic note, I find it not only plausible, but downright fitting for some Fairy Pokemon to have access to Energy Ball.
 

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I could see Bellossom as a Grass/Fairy-type. I always found Bellossom kinda weird to be honest. There's this line of toxic and foul smelling plants that suddenly gets another addition to it's line that's loses it's toxicity and becomes a hula dancer for some reason. A couple times of times I've tried to figure out what would compel Gamefreak to connect these guys with no success. Bellossom becoming Fairy-type would confirm that there is some mythological reason for Gamefreak to connect these guys together.
 

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I could see Bellossom as a Grass/Fairy-type. I always found Bellossom kinda weird to be honest. There's this line of toxic and foul smelling plants that suddenly gets another addition to it's line that's loses it's toxicity and becomes a hula dancer for some reason. A couple times of times I've tried to figure out what would compel Gamefreak to connect these guys with no success. Bellossom becoming Fairy-type would confirm that there is some mythological reason for Gamefreak to connect these guys together.

Well, Oddish is based on a mandrake, which is a plant usually tied to magical properties (and witches.) That could be your 'in' to get Bellossom retyped as part Fairy.
 

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For regular Pokemon: Milotic, Misdreavus, Mismagius, Cherrim, Alomomola, Togetic, Togekiss and Dunsparce are the main ones off the top of my head that I would like to see receive the Fairy type. I would also like Finneon and Lumineon to get it aswell, but I think those two are unlikely to happen whereas the earlier ones seem much more likely imo.

They should just retcon Dunsparce into a Fairy/Dragon type while they are at it. :p
 

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@Zweilous You are correct in stating that we don't have all the data, which is why I'm still suggesting you take my calculations with a grain of salt. I must say, however, that if they went out of their way to give Hydreigon 0 HP IVs and 0 HP EVs (which they did, that part can be corroborated,) why would they keep the 31 Sp. Def IVs or give it Sp. Def EVs? Wouldn't that be counterproductive, since the point was to show off the Fairy type. Giving the target of a Fairy type move the durability to take the hit would be doing the Fairy type a disservice.

Again, this isn't conclusive proof of anything, because the truth is that we don't have all the data right now, but it is something to think about.

That's completely fair, I'm not trying to shove your calculations to the side because they are well done, I just want to keep an eye on that possiblity just in case.
 

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Well, on Smash, we saw that Salamence and Haxorus were one shotted by Moonblast. It must be pretty powerful.
 

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I imagine Moonblast is one of the more powerful moves, based on the name alone. Could possibly be a 120 power move, but I doubt it's any lower than 80 at least.
 

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I'm guessing that Moonblast could be the Energy Ball-esque equivalent for Fairies.

I'm also highly interested to see what kind of Physical attacks the Fairy-type has to offer. I feel that it'll predominantly be a Special-type, by the looks of things.
 

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So has anyone brought up the idea of new mewtwo forme being part fairy. With the halo horn head gimmick I sadly think its possible.
 

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On a personal note, if it would give Meganium a niche that could finally garner some respect from players, I'd be all for it, though I am apprehensive about the potential 4x Poison weakness.

If Fairy weakness is confirmed, I wish they would just take off Grass weakness to Poison then. Plants are not particularly more susceptible to toxins than we are, or bugs, or other animals. Instead, they are capable of filtering a variety of poisons and polluting components. For me, the argument of herbicides just doesn't stick.
And in terms of game, if Poison SE a type that counters Dragon, it would be more widespread and we should have all 5 threats to Grass all around. I think it's too much, as there are very strong types with 1 ou 2 weakness only.

Herbicides and pollution = Grass weakness to Poison, which makes perfect sense to me. Bug needs to be weak to Poison again, thanks to the HUGE prevalence of pesticides in the world that kill not only their target pest, but many beneficial insects as well. Not only that, but Grass is currently the only strength Poison has. If Fairy DOES turn out to be weak to Poison, I'd be happy with them removing Grass's weakness and instead making Water weak to Poison instead, even though it seems silly to remove Grass's weakness to start with.

Lol, but that’s just the point, mate – plants are not susceptible to poison and pollution. On the contrary, they are widely employed as biological filters for absorbing and neutralising a number of venomous industrial residues. The idea only makes “perfect sense” because people tend to encore one appealing opinion and taking it as true before looking up further evidence.

No ad autoritatem intended but, since that is exactly what I work with, I’d say the idea of removing Grass weakness to Poison is not silly at all. Rather, vegetation makes the best and sustainable manner of mending a broken environment - they clear up soil, water and air by absorbing and recycling several components otherwise toxic to other beings. A quick survey on the Web can show you data from Nasa’s research on filtering plants, many of which are garden plants and some are even edible. Too, planting green belts close to industrial zones is a well know strategy used in urbanism to contain air and sonorous pollution and improve the quality of the air.
And have you ever heard of what they used to absorb radioactivity released after Chernobyl disaster? Yes, Sunflowers! They had a rate of 95% of radioactive impact reduced by planting sunflowers.
As for herbicides, you should know how problematic it is for agrobusiness, for they have to keep changing chemicals because plants – with their huge genomes – adapt too quickly to the poison, to the point of them having to find another ways of controlling weeds such as mutualistic insects or allelopathy, when plants produce themselves chemicals that prevent competitive herbs from growing.

When one talks about pollution, what first comes to mind is a densely industrial area with no vegetation, but that’s just a cause and effect mistake, when plants are actually a sustainable manner of combating pollution and toxins.

In-game speaking, I told exactly what you said – Grass weakness should be removed if Fairy weakness to it is confirmed. But this could be either Poison or Flying. 5 weaknesses are too much at any rate. And I don’t think Poison needs to have so many SE because of its playstyle, they could be Fairy and something else, but not Bug, which far from needs another weakness.

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What do you people think of the other, say, fairies becoming Fairy-type?
Every game release a legendary with 600 BS that is very fairy-like - Mew, Celebi, Jirachi, Manaphy, Victini, not to mention the lake trio.

Do you think any of them will change typing?
I don't think Celebi, Jirachi Victini Psychich type makes much sense and could well change to Fairy.
 
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What do you people think of the other, say, fairies becoming Fairy-type?
Here are my comments for each case. Which tl;dr into "Yes Celebi. Leaning on no everything else. Absolutely not Mew."

However some don't seem to agree with the possibility of a dual-type being changed, nor a legendary, regadless of how throroughly considered an exceptional case may be.
And even though I'd personally like it, I do not count on it 100% either: I do say that Celebi still will remain Psychic if Game Freak really is that strict on what they can change.
 

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Stuff here :D

Wheee, TIL. Still, maybe it's just because it's been this way for so long or some other reason, I can see Grass being weak to Poison. Or maybe I'm just old and don't like change lol. TBH I don't understand Grass's weakness to Flying, either; not many birds eat leaves and grass or such (though plenty eat fruit, but fruit are made to be eaten in most cases to help the plant spread its seeds). Someone said the reasoning was strong winds can uproot tress and stuff, but strong winds can also tear up the ground, fling rocks, put out fires, send water everywhere, and other such things. Though now that I think about it...

What are the possibilities Fairy could be weak to Flying? As GTT said, fairies are usually depicted as being earthy creatures. If they retain their close association to Grass, might they also be weak to some of the same things? Mainly I'm thinking Fire and possibly Bug, though I'd prefer Poison over anything else lol.
 

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Well the generic "fairy/pixie" that everyone pictures actually has wings and can fly, so I think the possibility of Fairy being weak to flying is very unlikely.
 

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I'm looking forward to this type :) I personally would love if Togepi became a Fairy :p
I just don't understand why isn't Flabébé (god why the diacritics...) Fairy/Grass? I mean with that flower I expected her to be Grass :/
 

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I just don't understand why isn't Flabébé (god why the diacritics...) Fairy/Grass? I mean with that flower I expected her to be Grass :/

For starters, the flower is not part of her, the Pokemon itself. The same way the Steel spoons that Alakazam holds are not part of him (hence he's not Steel type.... )
However, it is likely that Flabébé will get a Fairy/Grass evo, or at least so I hope.....
 

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Well the generic "fairy/pixie" that everyone pictures actually has wings and can fly, so I think the possibility of Fairy being weak to flying is very unlikely.

The typical idea of fairies being winged and able to fly is kinda silly when all the Fairy Pokemon revealed so far aren't winged and can't fly :p. On top of that, just because something can fly doesn't mean it should be resistant to air or wind, which has all sorts of basis in various Flying moves (Hurricane, Gust, Whirlwind, Defog, Air Slash, Air Cutter, etc). In fact, birds and bugs and such are a lot more susceptible to strong winds and gusts, since they're so light they easily get tossed around or knocked out of the sky. In fact, now that I think about it, I'm surprised Flying isn't weak to itself.

I'm looking forward to this type :) I personally would love if Togepi became a Fairy :p
I just don't understand why isn't Flabébé (god why the diacritics...) Fairy/Grass? I mean with that flower I expected her to be Grass :/

Like someone else whose name I can't remember said, the flower isn't part of Flabebe itself. It just takes care of the flower. Now if it evolves I can totally see it sort of merging with the flower to become Fairy/Grass, but as it is now, I can see why it's just Fairy.

EDIT: Lol, Phoenixion. That was the name of the person who mentioned Flabebe isn't part of the flower. I feel silly since they posted right above me XD.
 

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I would bet money that Flabebe can learn Magical Leaf, either by level up, egg move or Tutor.
 
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