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The Fairy Type and Alterations to Type Chart

Is the Fairy-type OP?


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Dakhem Uaid

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There's no such thing as IV training. There's IV breeding, but not IV training. That was the joke.

On to the Fairy type, I just noticed something weird.

If Fairy is supposed to be SE against Dark, then that would mean Hydreigon is 4x weak to Fairy, but when Gardevoir attacked him in the video, he managed to survive. Wouldn't a Pokemon with a 4x weakness faint when hit by an attack of the type it's weak to?

I mean, sure, there could be several factors. Maybe Fairy Wind has ridiculously low BP, or maybe Gardevoir was severely underleveled, or maybe she just wasn't EV trained while Hydreigon was. With that said, its still a weird thing to note that Hydreigon was left with a lot of HP for someone that should have just gotten hit for 4x damage.

Just pointing that out.

hmm, good eye.
I just rewatched the trailer and the Hydreigon is lv 50 with 152 Hp, meaning it has its minimum HP with 0 IVs and 0 EVs. Gardevoir probably was lv 50 too, so Hydreigon surviving this perhaps means Fairy isn't SE on Dark.

Aww, I was really hoping it was strong vs. dark... Mostly because I don't use a lot of Dark types.
 

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There's no such thing as IV training. There's IV breeding, but not IV training. That was the joke.

On to the Fairy type, I just noticed something weird.

If Fairy is supposed to be SE against Dark, then that would mean Hydreigon is 4x weak to Fairy, but when Gardevoir attacked him in the video, he managed to survive. Wouldn't a Pokemon with a 4x weakness faint when hit by an attack of the type it's weak to?

I mean, sure, there could be several factors. Maybe Fairy Wind has ridiculously low BP, or maybe Gardevoir was severely underleveled, or maybe she just wasn't EV trained while Hydreigon was. With that said, its still a weird thing to note that Hydreigon was left with a lot of HP for someone that should have just gotten hit for 4x damage.

Just pointing that out.

hmm, good eye.
I just rewatched the trailer and the Hydreigon is lv 50 with 152 Hp, meaning it has its minimum HP with 0 IVs and 0 EVs. Gardevoir probably was lv 50 too, so Hydreigon surviving this perhaps means Fairy isn't SE on Dark.

Aww, I was really hoping it was strong vs. dark... Mostly because I don't use a lot of Dark types.

On the contrary, I'll be glad if it isn't strong against dark. I don't want Chespin's final evo having seven weaknesses! lol
 

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Hold on, back it up. How do we know what kind of power Fairy Wind even has? It may not even be that powerful.
 

Dakhem Uaid

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True, and for the record I would never choose a Grass-type starter. I wants a Fennekin! Specially if it does turn into a floaty Fire/Psychic type. And I like the idea of having the SE flow two ways: Water>Fire>Grass>Water and Psychic>Fighting>Dark>Psychic.

I would like a Ghost/Normal type. It'd be quite strong.
 

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So far, Umbreon has been the only Eeveelution not to take SE from any other, and Espeon the one not to deal any SE. So Fairy might be weak against Psychic which SE only two types by now. That way we would have:

Sylveon > Umbreon > Espeon > Sylveon

Jolteon also doesn't have a weakness against any of the others, so Umbreon is not alone. But I wouldn't mind Fairy to be strong against 3 types, namely Dragon, Dark & Fighting. This isn't too OP. I just hope it has some resistances.

You right on this point, it'd be impossible to have a SE against Jolteon other than a "Groundeon". But I mean - at least has an advantage over Vaporeon and a check, that would be Leafeon who resists Electric. Umbreon and Espeon have solely their advantage and weakness to each other.

Perhaps that's not even important after all, but I guess Psychic could use another strength - it has 3 weakness on the counterpart, and we have very good Ghosts and Darks, and very good Bugs now too. As for Dark, I think you guys have a point as well, and re-thinking it, do you think Dark would go broken with another weakness?
 

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Given the artwork used to showcase that Fairy is SE to Dragon has Sylveon with Hydreigon, that'd make Hydreigon a bit of a poor choice to showcase Dragon's weakness if Fairy was also SE to Dark anyways.

Although, I'll say Fairy Wind looks like a 40 or 60 BP move to me. The kind a lower-level Fairy would get for the sake of a basic STAB attack.
 

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Hold on, back it up. How do we know what kind of power Fairy Wind even has? It may not even be that powerful.

I mentioned that as a possible variable. My observation is still something to take note of.

@Dakhem Uaid Grass types are awesome. You're missing out.
 

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Have they announced any fairy/flying yet? I would enjoy a sky battle with that new type
No the only new Fairy type Pokemon revealed has been pure Fairy, there havent been any Pokemon with that type announced yet.
 

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Nope. The only pure Fairies so far are Sylveon and that flower thing. The rest of them are double typed. Marill=water/fairy jiggly=normal/fairy and gardevoir=psychic/fairy
 

Dakhem Uaid

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Hold on, back it up. How do we know what kind of power Fairy Wind even has? It may not even be that powerful.

I mentioned that as a possible variable. My observation is still something to take note of.

@Dakhem Uaid Grass types are awesome. You're missing out.

They have SOOO many weaknesses! And since I liek die Elektriks, I choose Fire. And then usually get some sort of water pokemon to take care of Ground and Rock types.
 

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@Dakhem Uaid Grass types are awesome. You're missing out.

I've always loved Grass type from the beginning. If only they got rid of one of those 5 weaknesses, and definitely one of the 7 types resisting it! I think that, due to Plants ability to regenerate easily and be so resilient to so many conditions, it should be more of a deffensive type. Even though it may be a good sweeper, pretty much of what I see now is Grass pokés relying on their ability to cause status and drain life.

When I first playerd Red version, I got chocked at my Ivysaur taking double damage from Psychic "How is a mind damage dealer supposed to SE a creature such as a plant which doesn't have a regular brain?"
Anyway, I still stick to that - communication and sensorial systems in plants are too different to being normally affected by Psychic powers.

I guess Grass might resist Fairy too.
 

Dakhem Uaid

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@Dakhem Uaid Grass types are awesome. You're missing out.

I've always loved Grass type from the beginning. If only they got rid of one of those 5 weaknesses, and definitely one of the 7 types resisting it! I think that, due to Plants ability to regenerate easily and be so resilient to so many conditions, it should be more of a deffensive type. Even though it may be a good sweeper, pretty much of what I see now is Grass pokés relying on their ability to cause status and drain life.

When I first playerd Red version, I got chocked at my Ivysaur taking double damage from Psychic "How is a mind damage dealer supposed to SE a creature such as a plant which doesn't have a regular brain?"
Anyway, I still stick to that - communication and sensorial systems in plants are too different to being normally affected by Psychic powers.

I guess Grass might resist Fairy too.

Yyyyes. But they have not gotten rid of any of those weaknesses or resistances yet. Also, Electric is my favorite type.
 

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@Dakhem Uaid Grass types are awesome. You're missing out.

I've always loved Grass type from the beginning. If only they got rid of one of those 5 weaknesses, and definitely one of the 7 types resisting it! I think that, due to Plants ability to regenerate easily and be so resilient to so many conditions, it should be more of a deffensive type. Even though it may be a good sweeper, pretty much of what I see now is Grass pokés relying on their ability to cause status and drain life.

When I first playerd Red version, I got chocked at my Ivysaur taking double damage from Psychic "How is a mind damage dealer supposed to SE a creature such as a plant which doesn't have a regular brain?"
Anyway, I still stick to that - communication and sensorial systems in plants are too different to being normally affected by Psychic powers.

I guess Grass might resist Fairy too.

Yyyyes. But they have not gotten rid of any of those weaknesses or resistances yet. Also, Electric is my favorite type.

Electric used to be one of my favourites because of the concept of thunder, lightingstorms etc, but they don't release many cool Electric pokés, do they? Too, I like dual types, and most Electrics are single typed and worst of all - so many based on rodents; squirrels and rats all over the place --''. Which Eletropoké did you use so far?

I tend to prefer reptilian-like pokés or birds (which are technically reptilian too, lol). For this I think Helioptile will be my first Electric since Zapdos.

Another thing is that the types Electric takes care of, are easily covered by Grass, a Water poké with Ice attack, or a Dragon, which learns Electric and Ice attacks. That's what I've been doing - transfering the concept of Storm God to Dragonite with Hurricane and Thunder, lol.

Steel really should receive 2x damage from Electricity. That'd make Electric more distinct and attractive to use in a game where many pokés know Earthquake.
 

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It will be RIDICULOUS if Clefairy doesn't become a Fairy-type Pokémon. I mean, its name says it: FAIRY. And I bet Noivern is going to have Soundproof and Levitate as its abilities.
 

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Again, I sure hope Ice has some sort of advantage over Fairy, preferably both offensively and defensively.

I think the fact that Clefairy hasn't yet been revealed as fairy is essentially guaranteeing us that that there will be more to come.

While I agree that the majority of fairies are going to be the cute variety, I feel at the moment they may have reason to stick with the stereotypical cutesy fairies.

- The retconned pokemon kind of had to be cute, otherwise there wouldn't be enough justification for changing them. The first fairies we see should be the stereotypical ones, so that the new type can be properly marketed. I think Gardevoir was as far as they could push it for now.
- The first new fairies (for similar reasons) needed to be your stereotypical ones as well.
- Sylveon being an eeveelution, has to be the poster child for its type

I would not rule out the possibility that it just isn't yet the time for diversity in the fairy type. Now, if in a month it is following the same theme, then probably that is the path they've chosen (and if it is, I won't be mad, just mildly disappointed for wasting potential). But for now, we can't be sure of anything.
 

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I really hope so too and that the Smash footage is misinterpreted. I couldn't stand yet another weakness for Ice. I could live with Fairy being neutral to Ice.
 
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