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The Fairy Type and Alterations to Type Chart

Is the Fairy-type OP?


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Aura_Sphere

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It will be RIDICULOUS if Clefairy doesn't become a Fairy-type Pokémon. I mean, its name says it: FAIRY. And I bet Noivern is going to have Soundproof and Levitate as its abilities.

Noivern is already a Flying/Dragon, why would it need Levitate?
 

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Again, I sure hope Ice has some sort of advantage over Fairy, preferably both offensively and defensively.

I think the fact that Clefairy hasn't yet been revealed as fairy is essentially guaranteeing us that that there will be more to come.

While I agree that the majority of fairies are going to be the cute variety, I feel at the moment they may have reason to stick with the stereotypical cutesy fairies.

- The retconned pokemon kind of had to be cute, otherwise there wouldn't be enough justification for changing them. The first fairies we see should be the stereotypical ones, so that the new type can be properly marketed. I think Gardevoir was as far as they could push it for now.
- The first new fairies (for similar reasons) needed to be your stereotypical ones as well.
- Sylveon being an eeveelution, has to be the poster child for its type

I would not rule out the possibility that it just isn't yet the time for diversity in the fairy type. Now, if in a month it is following the same theme, then probably that is the path they've chosen (and if it is, I won't be mad, just mildly disappointed for wasting potential). But for now, we can't be sure of anything.

How about Gardevoir? I don't exactly associate Gardevoir with "cute" more like "gracefu and mysticall". In Gardevoir does kinda look elven so there's still some hope we get some interesting Pokemon under Fairy-Type. And if Xerneas is one, even better.
 

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@Vilendil Ivysaur is weak to Psychic because it is part Poison, it has nothing to do with its Grass typing.

@Dakhem Uaid On paper, Grass types look horrible, but in practice, they have very useful resistances, awesome support moves, and their bulk and ability to drain HP/abuse status effects makes them incredibly useful. Seriously, give them a try some time.

On other news, I've done some math. I calculated the damage a Mamoswine (Base Atk: 130) would do to a Dragonite with Ice Shard. This is somewhat comparable to what Gardevoir (Base Sp. Atk: 125) would do to Hydreigon with Fairy Wind, assuming Fairy Wind has relatively low BP. I used 0 EVs/IVs for both Pokemon, and I chose Ice Shard because of its low base power (40.) I also did not factor in D-Nite's Multiscale because it would skew the results.

The result is that one Ice Shard would do 80.14%-96.58% damage to Dragonite, no investments of any kind, no IVs, nothing other than STAB.

Meaning that Gardevoir using a Fairy move with low BP (~40) against Hydreigon should do a lot more damage than was shown. Keep in mind that the 5 point difference in Mamoswine's atk vis-a-vis Gardevoir's special attack is made up for by the fact that D-nite has 5 more points in Defense than Hydreigon does in Special Defense.
 

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Very good, thanks for calculating. So we can rule out Dark as a type advantage for Fairy?
I wouldnt yet since nothing else other than an advantage over Dragon has been confirmed. We'll have to wait and see for more Fairy type info.
 

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Interesting. I still wonder why in the official art they have Hydreigon of all things when they could've used any dragon.
 

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But wouldn't it have done more damage than it did, simply because it was 2x SE?

Not necessarily. Take a look at the same statistics, but this time Mamoswine is facing Serperior (who only has a 2x weakness to Ice)

Mamoswine Ice Shard vs Serperior: 45%-54.23%

Keep in mind that D-Nite's Base HP (91) is much higher than Serperior's (75) and that both of them have the same defense stat.

The big difference seems to be the 4x weakness. Serperior, not having it, would get sent to the yellow (much like Hydreigon was when attacked by Gardevoir) while D-Nite gets sent to the red.

Of course, this isn't definitive proof of anything at all. It's just an observation to make note of, and I think @Shiny Celebi is correct in saying that we shouldn't rule anything out until otherwise confirmed or denied by an official source.
 

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I'd kind of like it if Fairy was super effective against Dark. I've been having tons of trouble with Dark types since I've been running with more Ghost and Psychic pokemon in my more recent runs.
 

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Here's some more numbers (and yes, I'm kicking myself for not having thought of this sooner:)

Mamoswine 0 Atk EVs/0 Atk IVs Ice Shard vs Hydreigon 0 HP EVs/Ivs 0 Def Evs/IVs= ~42.86%-51.02%

Much closer to the damage we saw Gardevoir dealing in the video. Except Gardevoir did slightly more than that even with a slightly lower offensive stat.

Make of that as you will, but if nothing else, it probably indicates that Fairy Wind's BP is at least somewhat higher than 40.

Specifically, the video showed Hydreigon going from 152 HP (its max) down to 56, which means Gardevoir did 96 damage to it with Fairy Wind.

Mamoswine's Ice Shard would do somewhere between 66-81 damage to the same Hydreigon.
 
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@Grass Type Trainer: Thank you very much for the tests. I'm sure if Fairy Wind was 2x against Dark (and hence 4x against Hydreigon) then it most likely would have taken Hydreigon down to red, or at least dealt much more damage than what we saw - even at a low 40 or 60 Base Power.

I'm really hoping that Fairy isn't 2x Super Effective against Dark. When it comes to battling I always like to carry a Dark-type such as Weavile, Bisharp, Scrafty or Drapion but they always just get slaughtered by Fighting-types because of how popular Fighting-types are. Hell, even Scrafty struggles and he packs huge defenses AND doesn't have a 4x Fighting-weakness like Weavile and Bisharp do. I like that Dark-types are kind-of specific, as in, they only offer 2 Super Effective advantages, but they only have 2/3 resistant-types too. I like my Dark-types as they are, no Fairy-weakness please. :3
 

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After checking the numbers with Glaceon's (Sp. Atk: 130) Icy Wind (BP 55,) it does somewhere between 87-105 damage to Hydreigon (again, without investments.) In percentages, this is roughly around 57.24%-69.08% damage.

I think its safe to assume Fairy Wind's BP should be somewhere between 50-55, if this is the case. I'm leaving a margin of error to account for Gardevoir's 5 less points in Sp. Atk.

These calcs were done assuming, of course, that Fairy is 2x effective against Hydreigon, not 4x. (ie. not SE against Dark.)

Now, assuming it is 4x effective, I calculated that Mamoswine's Icicle Spear (BP 20) does ~51.66%-63.58%, or 78-96 damage against a Dragonite.

If this is the case, then Fairy Wind's BP is 20, which is ridiculously low. Usually this kind of damage is reserved for moves that have a useful side effect (think Rapid Spin,) or multi-hit moves, such as Icicle Spear itself. Even Tackle (BP 50) and Scratch (BP 40) do more damage. Since no side effect or continuous attacks were shown in the footage we have of Hydreigon vs Gardevoir, I'm going to say that it is unlikely Fairy Wind's BP is that low.
 
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Specifically, the video showed Hydreigon going from 152 HP (its max) down to 56, which means Gardevoir did 96 damage to it with Fairy Wind.

Mamoswine's Ice Shard would do somewhere between 66-81 damage to the same Hydreigon.
To be exact, if Fairy Wind were super effective against Dark and had a base power of 40, Hydregion would take damage of 128-152 (assuming no EV or IV investment for either side). Even if Hydreigon had a 31 Special Defense and a beneficial nature, it would still take damage of at least 100. The only way the damage would be 96 is if Hydreigon also had EV investment (and Gardevoir didn't), but that's really unlikely considering its HP. Whoever made the video wouldn't have gone out of their way to make Hydreigon look good, anyway.
 

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To be exact, if Fairy Wind were super effective against Dark and had a base power of 40, Hydregion would take damage of 128-152 (assuming no EV or IV investment for either side). Even if Hydreigon had a 31 Special Defense and a beneficial nature, it would still take damage of at least 100. The only way it could survive the attack is if also had EV investment (and Gardevoir didn't), but that's really unlikely considering its HP. Whoever made the video wouldn't have gone out of their way to make Hydreigon look good, anyway.

Exactly. Especially not when the goal is to promote the new Fairy type. If anything, they would have invested EVs in Gardevoir, not the other way around.
 

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Based on the name, I would assume Fairy Wind has the same base power as Silver Wind (60)
 

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Based on the name, I would assume Fairy Wind has the same base power as Silver Wind (60)
It's possible. In that case, Hydreigon would take a minimum of 96 damage (assuming no investment) if Fairy Wind were 2x effective, which is exactly the damage shown in the trailer. I agree that it would be weird if Fairy Wind's base power were lower than 60.
 

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Based on the name, I would assume Fairy Wind has the same base power as Silver Wind (60)
It's possible. In that case, Hydreigon would take a minimum of 96 damage (assuming no investment) if Fairy Wind were 2x effective, which is exactly the damage shown in the trailer. I agree that it would be weird if Fairy Wind's base power were lower than 60.

I can agree with this.

However, if this does, in fact, mean that Fairy isn't SE to Dark, then it also implies that perhaps not all of the Pokebeach rumors are completely accurate.
 

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However, if this does, in fact, mean that Fairy isn't SE to Dark, then it also implies that perhaps not all of the Pokebeach rumors are completely accurate.
Which is hardly a surprise in my opinion. The second batch of rumors are for the most part fabricated (MageLeif's friend admitted as much), and now we know that the first one most likely isn't limited to the truth, either.
 

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I dont know if this is already discussed , but if pikachu line become a fairy type ?
pikachu is the series mascot but is a relatively weak pokemon , if your evolution line become fairy , much possibilities will open .
 

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I dont know if this is already discussed , but if pikachu line become a fairy type ?
pikachu is the series mascot but is a relatively weak pokemon , if your evolution line become fairy , much possibilities will open .

Except it's based oof a mouse.
Then again, Marill...
Then again, changing Pikachu's type is a little too much....
Then again, a fairy evo for Pikachu would be nice....
 
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