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The Fairy Type and Alterations to Type Chart

Is the Fairy-type OP?


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GreatLiver

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I could see a Fairy split evo happening this gen instead of the generic expy, but nothing on the existing line themselves. If that does exist I think we'd see it in either the August or September issues of CoroCoro, as I can't see that being something they don't advertise beforehand.
 

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I could see a Fairy split evo happening this gen instead of the generic expy, but nothing on the existing line themselves. If that does exist I think we'd see it in either the August or September issues of CoroCoro, as I can't see that being something they don't advertise beforehand.
True.

If Pikachu does become a fairy type, I wonder what they will do in the anime....
Actually, even if it isn't, i wonder hoe\w they will introduce them in the anime.... what did they do for Dark and Steel?
Actually, that barely matters, since only two Pokemon's types were changed back then..... but now.....
 

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I hope Fairy is super-effective against Dragon and Dark, weak against Poison and Normal (give the poor guys some offensive use, for God's sake), resisted by Ice, resistant to Psychic and immune to Dragon.
 
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If this is the case, then Fairy Wind's BP is 20, which is ridiculously low. Usually this kind of damage is reserved for moves that have a useful side effect (think Rapid Spin,) or multi-hit moves, such as Icicle Spear itself. Even Tackle (BP 50) and Scratch (BP 40) do more damage. Since no side effect or continuous attacks were shown in the footage we have of Hydreigon vs Gardevoir, I'm going to say that it is unlikely Fairy Wind's BP is that low.

There're some starting moves that have very low base power but no special secondary effect- Vine Whip, Poison Sting and Bubble, for example. Not sure why they'd showcase such a move with Gardevior, though.
 

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I feel like Ice should be SE to Fairy, or that it should resist Fairy. At this point, with 99% of Water types capable of learning Ice moves and Fairy being SE against Dragon, it seriously needs something going for it.

It'd make sense anyways, seeing as Fairies are generally associated with nature, which cold normally kills off. Furabebe gives me hope for that too, seeing as it lives on a flower, but is only pure Fairy. It just looks like an Ice type would take it out easily.
 

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Ice-type is the "joke character"/"punching bag" of the Pokémon franchise. Just accept it and move on, guys.
 

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I feel like Ice should be SE to Fairy, or that it should resist Fairy. At this point, with 99% of Water types capable of learning Ice moves and Fairy being SE against Dragon, it seriously needs something going for it.

It'd make sense anyways, seeing as Fairies are generally associated with nature, which cold normally kills off. Furabebe gives me hope for that too, seeing as it lives on a flower, but is only pure Fairy. It just looks like an Ice type would take it out easily.
Yeah, it beats Dragons,so it must be Defeated by Ice.
 

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There're some starting moves that have very low base power but no special secondary effect- Vine Whip, Poison Sting and Bubble, for example. Not sure why they'd showcase such a move with Gardevior, though.

I'll give you Vine Whip, But Bubble lowers Speed, and Poison Sting, well, Poisons.
 

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Ice-type is the "joke character"/"punching bag" of the Pokémon franchise. Just accept it and move on, guys.

Glass Cannon is a much more fitting description. It can be taken pretty literally.
 
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There're some starting moves that have very low base power but no special secondary effect- Vine Whip, Poison Sting and Bubble, for example. Not sure why they'd showcase such a move with Gardevior, though.

I'll give you Vine Whip, But Bubble lowers Speed, and Poison Sting, well, Poisons.

Neither of those are particularly unique the way things like Rapid Spin's effect are, though- they have the same effects, including chance, as Bubblebeam and Poison Jab respectively. So it's possible Fairy Wind is a weak move which has an "upgraded" version like those two.
 

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Very good, thanks for calculating. So we can rule out Dark as a type advantage for Fairy?
I think it's safe to expect we can rule it out. I noticed it too (and slightly earlier), but Grass Type Trainer's math downright proves it: Fairy does not appear to be SE against Dark at this time.

(It's probably safe to rule out Fairy-damage-reducing Berries at this time too, because we usually see some kind of added animation when those take effect.)

When it comes to battling I always like to carry a Dark-type such as Weavile, Bisharp, Scrafty or Drapion but they always just get slaughtered by Fighting-types because of how popular Fighting-types are.

Heck, forget Hydreigon, if Fairy is SE to Dark and Ice then poor Sneasel/Weavile will end up with two double weaknesses, when the first one (Fighting) is already quite crippling in and of itself.
 

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I know Ice is pretty much a "glass cannon" type, but giving it one more strength or at least resistance couldn't possibly hurt. I just don't like how it's near useless at this point.
 

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I hope Fairy is super-effective against Dragon and Dark, weak against Poison and Normal (give the poor guys some offensive use, for God's sake), resisted by Ice, resistant to Psychic and immune to Dragon.
Giving Normal SE against anything is a contradiction in terms. It is designed to be the one generic element equally effective on all but a few standout defenses (rock, steel, ghost).
 

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I know Ice is pretty much a "glass cannon" type, but giving it one more strength or at least resistance couldn't possibly hurt. I just don't like how it's near useless at this point.

The idea that being a "Glass Cannon" archetype justifies having next to no resistances is silly anyway. Most Ice types are defensively built.

I do hope they become a hard counter to Fairies, or at least get a Fairy resistance. It'd be hypocritical for GF to introduce a new type to correct issues with one type, just to ignore the severe problems of another.
 

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I dont know if this is already discussed , but if pikachu line become a fairy type ?
pikachu is the series mascot but is a relatively weak pokemon , if your evolution line become fairy , much possibilities will open .

Except it's based oof a mouse.
Then again, Marill...
Then again, changing Pikachu's type is a little too much....
Then again, a fairy evo for Pikachu would be nice....

I could see Pikachu learning some Fairy moves, but that's about it.
 

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@Vilendil Ivysaur is weak to Psychic because it is part Poison, it has nothing to do with its Grass typing.
Didn't even say that, mate. You didn't pay attention to the rest of the post, I guess - I meant Grass should resist Psychic because of their totally different sensorial and communicative systems. It should be hard for a Psychic confuse and control the senses of a being that can communicate using symbiotic fungi or ultrasounds. This way, Bulbasaur line would not be 2x affected by Psychic due to its secondary typing.[/FONT]


I sure know that Pokémon balance is not really based on logic, but it would have been an interesting reasoning.
 
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Glass Cannon is a much more fitting description. It can be taken pretty literally.

Yeah, but if they give the type one more weakness in Generation VI, we might as well consider it the joke character of the franchise, since most competitive oriented games have one or two characters of this kind. Seriously, I don't even like Ice-type Pokémon, but there is absolutely no reasons to give it one more weakness while some other types are weak to very few types. Fire-type is also in the Glass Cannon category, but it isn't as screwed up as Ice.
 

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Glass Cannon is a much more fitting description. It can be taken pretty literally.

Yeah, but if they give the type one more weakness in Generation VI, we might as well consider it the joke character of the franchise, since most competitive oriented games have one or two characters of this kind. Seriously, I don't even like Ice-type Pokémon, but there is absolutely no reasons to give it one more weakness while some other types are weak to very few types. Fire-type is also in the Glass Cannon category, but it isn't as screwed up as Ice.

How could Fire be a glass cannon? Just based on status?

It has 3 common weaknesses but 5 resistances, omg!

Ice has only one resistance to itself.
 

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How could Fire be a glass cannon? Just based on status?

It has 3 common weaknesses but 5 resistances, omg!

Ice has only one resistance to itself.

Being weak to the Ground-, Rock- and Water types, that is how. A lot of Pokémon are able to learn strong and useful Ground- and Rock-type moves like Stealth Rock/Rock Slide/Stone Edge/Earthquake. These are the most overused moves in the metagame. As I said, it isn't screwed up like Ice, but it still is a Glass Cannon type. The same applies to the Rock-type.
 

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What defines a fairy-type Pokemon?
How do we know a Pokemon is fairy by just looking at it like the other types?
I thought of abnormal creatures "Jigglypuff" and "Sylveon", Magical "Gardevoir"
Nothing about Marill screams fairy, its not abnormal in the Pokemon world and nothing about it is magical... though proto-art Marill was pink...?
Someone help me understand Marill's fairy type... so I can be in peace.
 
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