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The Fairy Type and Alterations to Type Chart

Is the Fairy-type OP?


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SUP3RN0VA

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Anybody thinks Pikachu family should be Electric/Fairy? This could make sense in X and Y.

I think Pikachu should stay Electric type. Not because of it's iconic status, but more to do with the fact I can't imagine Pikachu using Fairy Type moves like Fairywind or Moonblast, it doesn't seem to fit properly in my mind. Pikachu doesn't seem like a Fairy type at all to me. Pikachu is one of my favourite Pokemon, and in saying that, i hope Pikachu will be left how it is.

I disagree with you about this statement. This is because Pikachu, like Marill, is in the Fairy Egg Group, and has 2nd type slot being empty. This is why I want Pikachu to be part Fairy-type.

I wouldn't say Pikachu definitely won't become part Fairy, I'm just hoping against it. I can't imagine Pikachu being part Fairy at all, it makes no sense in my head. I also do not believe they are going to retcon every Pokemon in the Fairy egg group to become part Fairy. They've retcon some and I'm sure they'll retcon others, but I don't believe they'll retcon every single one of them, plus Pikachu is in another egg group too, Pikachu isn't tied specifically to the Fairy Egg group. I also believe it's status will keep it from getting retconned, although there's still the possibility. I'm hoping Pikachu will stay pure electric.

I agree with you that Pikachu family is gonna be retconned someday, but I disagree that Pikachu family should stay pure Electric-type. They also have 2nd type slot being empty. Being Electric/Fairy for all of Pikachu family also means Pichu or Raichu can even be strong against Dragon-types.

I never said Pikachu will be retconned someday, on the contrary I hope Pikachu will always stay pure electric. I don't think Pikachu needs to become the Fairy type just because it has only one type and has room for another. Dragon is one of my favourite types, so I'm fine with Pikachu not getting a type advantage over it.
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So, this is my first post, and I want to say, for those wondering how the anime would deal if Pikachu was rec-coned as a fairy-type (hopefully not, but hypothetically) they would most likely deal with it like they deal with everything else, not bring it up. How many times in season one were we told there were only 150 pokemon? Then we Ash traveled through other regions but came back for to Kanto for the battle frontier all of a sudden all of the pokemon from other generations that we never saw before were in Kanto and no one bats an eye.

The pokemon anime treats all thing from anything that occurs in later generations as if they were alway present, that's why no one makes a fuss about pokemon suddenly getting a a new pre/evolution. They also routinely ignore type effectiveness (especially pikachu hurting ground-types with electric-type moves) whenever it's convenient. It's not that hard to figure out.
 

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Looking at the Fairy egg group and the confirmed retcons I think it's safe to assume they will only ADD the type and not replacing one with it. Hence the only real candidates for the Fairy type are Clefairy-line, Chansey-line, Plusle/Minun, Audino, Snubbull-line, Skitty-line, Castform, Snorunt /Glalie, Cherubi-line and Cottonee-line. I would rule Cherubi and Cottonee lines as they are really only plants or sheep and Plusle & Minun, being Pika-clones. Castform also has enough of a gimmick already. The rest would be quite convenient.
 

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Looking at the Fairy egg group and the confirmed retcons I think it's safe to assume they will only ADD the type and not replacing one with it.
I disagree. Marill, Jigglypuff and Gardevoir are not necessarily a representative sample.
 

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I could see the Togepi line having their Normal typing replaced with Fairy. I'd guess that's how they're going to deal with Azurill as well.
 

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I'll be peeved if Shaymin (Land Forme) gets re-typed and Celebi doesn't. Truthfully, all the Mew-like legendaries could be retconned, but Celebi is the most obvious candidate despite its being dual-typed.
 

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I could see the Togepi line having their Normal typing replaced with Fairy.
Honestly, if this doesn't happen I'd be a little disappointed. Next to Clefairy/Clefable, they're probably the most obvious candidates for Fairy typing.

They might instead lose their Flying typing since they learn so many Normal moves (even assuming some of those moves become Fairy moves instead). Though I suppose Gamefreak could always just adjust their learnset to coincide with their new typing.
 

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They might instead lose their Flying typing
I doubt that. It might be excusable for Togetic, but not for Togekiss.

since they learn so many Normal moves (even assuming some of those moves become Fairy moves instead). Though I suppose Gamefreak could always just adjust their learnset to coincide with their new typing.
A lot of those moves could be Fairy-type now (Charm, Metronome, Sweet Kiss, Follow Me, Bestow, Wish, Safeguard, Baton Pass, After You, Present, Lucky Chant and Secret Power).
 

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A lot of those moves could be Fairy-type now (Charm, Metronome, Sweet Kiss, Follow Me, Bestow, Wish, Safeguard, Baton Pass, After You, Present, Lucky Chant and Secret Power).
I don't think the Charm moves should become Fairy type nor Follow Me, Baton Pass and After You. None of those seem particularly magical or different from Normal moves.

But yeah, I doubt they'd remove the Flying typing for Togetic/Togekiss. And since we're going to get at least two Normal/Fairy families already (probably a whole lot more) it would seem a waste.
 

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I don't think the Charm moves should become Fairy type nor Follow Me, Baton Pass and After You. None of those seem particularly magical or different from Normal moves.
Charm is a feminine move, while Follow Me and After You fit friendly-looking and yet mischievous Pokémon, as they throw off the opponent. Baton Pass looks magical enough to me and definitely does something unexpected.
 

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Charm is a feminine move, while Follow Me and After You fit friendly-looking and yet mischievous Pokémon, as they throw off the opponent. Baton Pass looks magical enough to me and definitely does something unexpected.
Well I'll just have to agree to disagree as I don't think Charm is feminine; males can use it and there is nothing gender exclusive about a Pokemon coaxing another into falling for it. Love isn't feminine. It seems like for some reason you're assuming that Fairy moves will be exclusively feminine and no other type can have feminine moves. This isn't even getting into the fact that people have vastly different ideas on what constitutes as feminine or what it even means.

Anyway, Follow Me and After You just seem like actions to me, much like Taunt and Sing. Baton Pass doesn't look magical, it's just a Pokemon tagging a teammate into battle. The type of thing I would imagine falls under Normal.
 
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I wonder if the previous rumour about the Lake Trio being Fairies will turn out to be true as well.
 

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I hope not...although I guess I'd accept it only if they gained it and didn't lose their Psychic type completely because it fits them, being based on emotion, wisdom, etc. Things that have do with the mind.

I'm honestly hoping none of the legendaries get retyped. Celebi would make the most sense, but even then I'm reluctant because of its dual typing.
 

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The inclusion of the Fairy-type I am definitely for. I still have PTSD from Cynthia and Opelucid Gym.

But the thing is, "immune to Dragon"? A resistance should be enough. And "super effective against Dark and Fighting"? Dark is already checked by Fighting and Bug, and there are a lot of Psychic-types to counter Fighting with. They're nowhere near as broken as Dragon, so why should Fairy counter them too?
 

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And why would Fairy counter two legs of a whole elemental triangle? Is it trying to put Psychic out of business? Fighting might be useful taking it down a notch, but Dark doesn't need it, and moreover we've already seen Hydreigon survive a STAB Fairy Wind from a same-level Gardevoir when vulnerability to Fairy would mean a 4x weakness (and quite possible OHKO).
 
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And why would Fairy counter two legs of a whole elemental triangle? Is it trying to put Psychic out of business? Fighting might be useful taking it down a notch, but Dark doesn't need it, and moreover we've already seen Hydreigon survive a STAB Fairy Wind from a same-level Gardevoir when vulnerability to Fairy would mean a 4x weakness (and quite possible OHKO).

Surviving that hit doesn't mean it wasn't 4x weak, the move could've had a weaker BP, Gardevior could've had a bad IV/EV SPatk stat, Hydreigon could've had a good SpDef stat, so on and so forth. It wouldn't be the first time onscreen data was off for us.
 

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Surviving that hit doesn't mean it wasn't 4x weak, the move could've had a weaker BP, Gardevior could've had a bad IV/EV SPatk stat, Hydreigon could've had a good SpDef stat, so on and so forth. It wouldn't be the first time onscreen data was off for us.
Grass Type Trainer crunched some numbers, and while we can't rule out hidden factors like IV's or EV's (which could boost Gardevoir's attack power by +50% or outright double Hydreigon's defense) the outcome suggests that either Fairy Wind has a ridiculously low BP (like 20), or it's just not 4x effective on the Dark+Dragon in the first place, especially when Sylveon was seen OHKO'ing both a Haxorus and Salamence with Moonblast. Sylveon is not inherently stronger than Gardevoir (given Eeveelution's usual stat spreads and Gardevoir's Sp.Atk), and Hydreigon has about the same combined HP/Sp.Def as Salamence, we know they were using different moves so when Sylveon lands a OHKO but Gardevoir only about 50% damage, that's a minimum 2-to-1 base-power ratio between Moonblast (vs. Salamence) and Fairy Wind (vs. Hydreigon); if Fairy is SE on Dark then it jumps to a 4-to-1 ratio.
 
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Surviving that hit doesn't mean it wasn't 4x weak, the move could've had a weaker BP, Gardevior could've had a bad IV/EV SPatk stat, Hydreigon could've had a good SpDef stat, so on and so forth. It wouldn't be the first time onscreen data was off for us.
Grass Type Trainer crunched some numbers, and while we can't rule out hidden factors like IV's or EV's (and most pseudolegends have a double weakness already) the outcome suggests that either Fairy Wind has a ridiculously low BP (like 20), or it's just not 4x effective in the first place, especially when Sylveon was seen OHKO'ing both a Haxorus and Salamence with Moonblast. Sylveon is not inherently stronger than Gardevoir (given Eeveelution's usual stat spreads and Gardevoir's Sp.Atk), and Hydreigon has about the same combined HP/Sp.Def as Salamence, we know they were using different moves so when Sylveon lands a OHKO but Gardevoir only about 50% damage, that's a minimum 2-to-1 base-power ratio between Moonblast (vs. Salamence) and Fairy Wind (vs. Hydreigon); if Fairy is SE on Dark then it jumps to a 4-to-1 ratio.

We don't know if Sylveon's not stronger then Gardevior, for all we know it shares Espeon's Spatk stat (which beats Gardevior's). Collectively, Hydreigon's defense stats beats out Salamence's, having 10 more Spdef and only loses 3 HP. Granted, this is not much but it adds up when you start to factor in things like EVs, IVs and natures. Same thing with Moonblast and Fairy Wind, we don't know the strength of the attacks, it's entirely possible that Fairy Wind as a low BP while Moonblast is much stronger.

Ultimately, I don't think we have enough data to write it off completely as a weakness yet.
 
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