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The general Pokemon League / end of Sinnoh / Generation V thread

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Oh wow. a 50-50 chance... Congrats. Somebody with a little luck could get through college if every answer was 50-50. And thats because he saw some leaking post, a post which was wrong might I add, he thought that it would look like Dawn was going to win in the beginning, which it didn't, so sure he got the outcome correct, but his details were sure off.

A 50-50 chance that the majority of you got wrong, it doesn't change the fact. It is hilarious how predictions go the exact opposite on this forum. He was right, everyone thought Dawn winning the GF would give her story closure, but it was wrong.
 

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A 50-50 chance that the majority of you got wrong, it doesn't change the fact. It is hilarious how predictions go the exact opposite on this forum. He was right, everyone thought Dawn winning the GF would give her story closure, but it was wrong.

You're wrong. Some of us didn't predict anything. Some of us did. But A lot of us WANTED Dawn to win. Some of us made hollow predictions on what we wanted would happen.

Haha it's funny, sometimes I think ya'll are the exact same user with two different accounts. I wish I could check IP. And what do you mean by "predictions go the exact opposite on this forum"?
 

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You're wrong. Some of us didn't predict anything. Some of us did. But A lot of us WANTED Dawn to win. Some of us made hollow predictions on what we wanted would happen.

Haha it's funny, sometimes I think ya'll are the exact same user with two different accounts. I wish I could check IP. And what do you mean by "predictions go the exact opposite on this forum"?

If I am not mistaken,there was a poll on who they thought would win, and Dawn was leading by a large margin. And no we are not the same user, but I can see where Urban is coming from and that he is right that you have use the info that they have given you in the show, instead of using the past to predict what will happen next. Which alot of us, including myself are gulity of doing.
 
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A lot of you are forgetting the reason we have Dawn in the first place. She's a player character from the games that were released the same time as the DP anime series began. Her whole character is designed to bring the DP games to the forefront of peoples minds in the same way May was for RS. Her character's original purpose is no longer relevant in the next generation just like May's was no longer relevant when DP began. To those who might say how much she got developed its just that the writers are getting better at developing characters and writing plot to make it more complex and meaningful. Chances are it will even be better the next generation.
 

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Haha it's funny, sometimes I think ya'll are the exact same user with two different accounts. I wish I could check IP. And what do you mean by "predictions go the exact opposite on this forum"?

Meowth learning a new move. Ash fighting the E4. Misty appearing because of Togekiss. Dawn winning the GF. A new arc in Johto. Kenny not battling Ash for Dawn. And on and on.

While not everyone said these things, a lot of people took them as self-evident and nobody refuted them.

Then I came and set things straight and all of a sudden I get an avalanche of antagonizers.

Its like trying to tell people the earth is not flat.

Dawn is staying because they build her character to be a mainstay in the cast. She is as much as Ash's counterpart as TR is in terms of his heroics.
 

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Assuming that ep does answer the question, which we don't even know that yet.
 

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Meowth learning a new move. Ash fighting the E4. Misty appearing because of Togekiss. Dawn winning the GF. A new arc in Johto. Kenny not battling Ash for Dawn. And on and on.

While not everyone said these things, a lot of people took them as self-evident and nobody refuted them.

Then I came and set things straight and all of a sudden I get an avalanche of antagonizers.

Its like trying to tell people the earth is not flat.

Dawn is staying because they build her character to be a mainstay in the cast. She is as much as Ash's counterpart as TR is in terms of his heroics.

You are still speculating. Not to mention none of what you are saying makes sense at all. None of you're reasoning is valid proof at all. Like using 'High Touch' as evidence. Not valid proof. Just speculation. And this has nothing to do with the earth?? Besides, there were a lot of people who believed the earth was flat who were much smarter then the likes of you.
 

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You are still speculating. Not to mention none of what you are saying makes sense at all. None of you're reasoning is valid proof at all. Like using 'High Touch' as evidence. Not valid proof. Just speculation. And this has nothing to do with the earth?? Besides, there were a lot of people who believed the earth was flat who were much smarter then the likes of you.

Nobody could see the earth was round until they could verify by traveling its whole diameter, yet other supports made it obvious this was so. The same thing here, you don't need official confirmation to know the direction the animators and company took for Dawn.
 

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It was Photoshopped! It's impossible to argue us because to prove it, you need to post it over the Internet, and all Internet information can be fabricated, even pictures and scans. It's ironclad! You'll never win!!! Mwahahahahaha
 

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If Dawn was to remain a 3-4 year character they would not have really given her so much promotion. There were many other things they could use from DP.

People keep saying High Touch doesn't mean anything, failing to realize its uniqueness and magnitude (being the most advertised song for the whole generation). Why would they make a song about two characters always needing each other to accomplish their goals? It's like saying Mezase Pokemon Master is meaningless to theme of the anime that has lasted for 13+ years.
 

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If Dawn was to remain a 3-4 year character they would not have really given her so much promotion. There were many other things they could use from DP.

And they did use some of the things from DP like Team Galactic, the Gym Leaders, the starters, a rival the list goes on. Dawn is used the most however because she represents you're journey through Sinnoh because she is the female player character.
 

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Game, people speculating isn't fact. People guess at things. That's what Urban does. He's speculating that Dawn's going to stay. Quit worshiping every word he says as fact from the mouth of a writer.
 

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And they did use some of the things from DP like Team Galactic, the Gym Leaders, the starters, a rival the list goes on. Dawn is used the most however because she represents you're journey through Sinnoh because she is the female player character.

Yet the main quest of the game is to be a trainer, not just do contests. Don't get these two things confused. The anime might be there to promote the games and franchise in general, but it is free standing, as it also takes its own imperatives isolated from Gamefreak in the development of the show.
 

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Game, people speculating isn't fact. People guess at things. That's what Urban does. He's speculating that Dawn's going to stay. Quit worshiping every word he says as fact from the mouth of a writer.

I am not, but he raises a good point that alot of posters tend to use the past as a reason for what will happen next, regardless of what is going on in the current story.
 

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Meowth learning a new move. Ash fighting the E4. Misty appearing because of Togekiss. Dawn winning the GF. A new arc in Johto. Kenny not battling Ash for Dawn. And on and on.

While not everyone said these things, a lot of people took them as self-evident and nobody refuted them.

Then I came and set things straight and all of a sudden I get an avalanche of antagonizers.

Its like trying to tell people the earth is not flat.

Dawn is staying because they build her character to be a mainstay in the cast. She is as much as Ash's counterpart as TR is in terms of his heroics.

The only reason those people didnt get as much crap from everyone is that they didnt go around acting like their opinion was fact. If you think Dawn will stay that's fine but dont go around acting like it's already been confirmed. There's no way of telling what will happen yet. It's too early to know Dawn's fate and we probably wont find out until after the league
 

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If Dawn was to remain a 3-4 year character they would not have really given her so much promotion. There were many other things they could use from DP.

People keep saying High Touch doesn't mean anything, failing to realize its uniqueness and magnitude (being the most advertised song for the whole generation). Why would they make a song about two characters always needing each other to accomplish their goals? It's like saying Mezase Pokemon Master is meaningless to theme of the anime that has lasted for 13+ years.
They'll do the exact same thing with the BW girl. Dawn's different from May or Misty, so she gets treated differently with more focus. They can do the exact same thing with BW girl as Dawn though, they're simply transitioning to giving more focus to protagonists other than Ash.
 

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Yet the main quest of the game is to be a trainer, not just do contests. Don't get these two things confused. The anime might be there to promote the games and franchise in general, but it is free standing, as it also takes its own imperatives isolated from Gamefreak in the development of the show.

Yeah it takes its own imperatives when it comes to filling in episodes that aren't directly related to the games plot. Overall the skeleton of the plot is the same when it comes to the games because Ash still does the gyms and competes in the pokemon league. Look at what happened with the Galactic Plot, how about the Psyduck blocking the way episode, or even Volkner's depression all these episodes come from the games plot. Dawn may not follow the same path you do but she is there to be the face of Sinnoh just like Ash and Pikachu are the face of Pokemon.
 

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And if we were to get Dawn in Isshu we would be seeing a generation IV mascot in a Generation V series in every single episode which wouldn't seem right and make it seem that the writers are trying to do DP over again

They wouldn't still treat Piplup as a 4th gen Pokemon (or at least not merely a 4th gen Pokemon), just like they don't treat Pikachu as merely a 1st gen Pokemon, and just like they don't treat Wobbuffet as merely a 2nd gen Pokemon.

when we need to see a new mascot come out and take the stage with a new character.

And we can still have a new mascot and a new character.

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It should just be Ash and Dawn, and some Brock replacement. That way the company wakes up and realizes the anime can be more than a kid's show.

In terms of popularity and how much of a phenomenon it is, it is more than a kid's show.

Do you mean more than an advertisement show?

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They can do the exact same thing with BW girl as Dawn though, they're simply transitioning to giving more focus to protagonists other than Ash.

Yeah, like I mentioned before, whether they want to make Dawn permanent or they want to give her, as a temporary co-star, more screentime, the writers would be doing what they're doing now.
 

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Haha it's funny, sometimes I think ya'll are the exact same user with two different accounts. I wish I could check IP. And what do you mean by "predictions go the exact opposite on this forum"?

LOL, just not a long ago, I told Boogie it's possible to find out if the other users are him by chechking their IP...
I bet almost all the users who registered in April/May 2010 and randomly became regulars here and enjoy Dawn discussions - are all boogie clones... (urban, game... there are more...)

A mod really should compare IP of all April/May 2010 registered users
 
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