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The general Pokemon League / end of Sinnoh / Generation V thread

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She is only being equated with Ash because she is just as important to the DP series and Sinnoh as Ash is to the pokemon franchise. Her character is being shown to have just as much importance only for the DP saga.

Exactly. She = to Sinnoh what Ash = Everything. Awesome. She's the Face of Sinnoh. So ofourse she is going to get hella screentime.
 

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I already made a list of several factors, like hiring a voice actress for Dawn that has a high chance of staying there longer than those for May and Misty.

That's your opinion not a fact

Even if you can't discuss things at that level, you can look at the events in the show. Can you draw from them any conclusion that they are giving Dawn an exit? From my observation, it presents Dawn having no real recourse for departure.

Were Misty and May's reason for leaving revealed this early, from what I remember they weren't revealed until the very end of the saga

Story lines are straightforward are planned months ahead, we don't need to get into "imaginative" ideas to explain things.
That made me laugh since you're doing the same thing that you're telling is not to do.

Dawn lost the GF, she rejected Zoey's offer in DP 177, and didn't even say, "I'll get back to you". Then DP 180, which is not a proper sendoff, and instead is more of a counterpoint to May's leaving scenario.

If I remember right Zoey didn't ask Dawn to travel with her, she just invited her to Snowpoint City.
 

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Okay lets flatter your idea. Lets say she stays for the next generation. Lets say she stays til the end of the entire series like you say. She's already runnerup in the Grand Festival. To have her improve anymore then next generation she'll need to win it... What from there? She keeps traveling with Ash after she wins it? Ash can have a story afterwards. He'd still have to beat the entire elite 4. He's still have to beat the Champions. Not to mention how many Champions there are. What does Dawn do? Just go around and win the Gradn Festival year after year after year? Until it just becomes routine.

I am not sure that would be a concern, good writing can get around outcomes and who knows, they may add differant dimensions to contests in the next region.
 

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Were Misty and May's reason for leaving revealed this early, from what I remember they weren't revealed until the very end of the saga.

He's just going to say that "He saw it coming from a mile, and an educated mind like his would have." But you are right. It was out of nowhere. There was no "Buildup". They just got to the forked path and OHPE! BYE BYE.

I am not sure that would be a concern, good writing can get around outcomes and who knows, they may add differant dimensions to contests in the next region.

Good promoting can make money also. It's much easier to get a whole new character then think of excuses why she hasn't won a GF yet.
 

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From facts, both Misty and May weren't given 15 episodes notice of leaving. Why would they do that with Dawn, they wouldn't. Plain and simple. Come the end of DP, they'll present some reason why Dawn's going to leave, just like the other girls. Not that difficult of an idea to wrap your mind around.
 

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He's just going to say that "He saw it coming from a mile, and an educated mind like his would have." But you are right. It was out of nowhere. There was no "Buildup". They just got to the forked path and OHPE! BYE BYE.



Good promoting can make money also. It's much easier to get a whole new character then think of excuses why she hasn't won a GF yet.

If that was so, Ash would have been written off years ago.
 

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That's your opinion not a fact

Just look up their perspective voice actresses biography and body of work. They picked Misty and May's seiyu out of consideration they were only temporary.

Were Misty and May's reason for leaving revealed this early, from what I remember they weren't revealed until the very end of the saga

Misty is a non-factor because she was never a game protagonist. It is May who set the precedent for how heroines would depart the show. They are giving Dawn a completely opposite concept fro May, making her remain close to Ash without any other realistic opportunities to leave him.

If I remember right Zoey didn't ask Dawn to travel with her, she just invited her to Snowpoint City.

The key was in Dawn's reply, she had nothing else to say to her just that she is dead set on following Ash for the Leagues. That should give you a hint (as minutes are precious in a show) that this will become a major part in her story.
 
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If that was so, Ash would have been written of years ago.

No because Ash was never in the finals.
Kanto - Top 16
Johto - Top 8
Hoenn - Top 8 (showed he could do just as could with a batch of fresh pokemon)

fact is Ash will probably get closer and closer to winning before he actually does
 

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No because Ash was never in the finals.
Kanto - Top 16
Johto - Top 8
Hoenn - Top 8 (showed he could do just as could with a batch of fresh pokemon)

fact is Ash will probably get closer and closer to winning before he actually does

Not to mention there is a lot more then just the league. "The League" isn't even in the games. Even after he wins the league they could potentially have more Generations.
 

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No because Ash was never in the finals.
Kanto - Top 16
Johto - Top 8
Hoenn - Top 8 (showed he could do just as could with a batch of fresh pokemon)

fact is Ash will probably get closer and closer to winning before he actually does

You know why Ash is definitely getting closer this time, its because he's using his reserves. The last time he used reserves he improved a notch and this time he could improve a notch again because of it.
 

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Misty is a non-factor because she was never a game protagonist. It is May who set the precedent for how heroines would depart the show. They are giving Dawn a completely opposite concept for Dawn, making her remain close to Ash without any other realistic opportunities to leave him.

Misty is a factor because she was a main character in the anime(which is what we're talking about). If you read my post then you would also see that neither Misty or May had any realistic opportunities to leave him until the very end of the saga. Give it a few months and I'm sure a reason will pop up.


The key was in Dawn's reply, she had nothing else to say to her just that she is dead set on following Ash for the Leagues. That should give you a hint (as minutes are precious in a show) that this will become a major part in her story.

Maybe she decided to follow Ash to the league so she could cheer him on there just like he cheered her on during the GF. What do you think she would do "Hey Ash thanks for supporting me but now that I'm done I have no reason to be traveling a lot anymore so I'm going with Zoey to Snowpoint City, good luck in the league kthnxbye
 

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No because Ash was never in the finals.
Kanto - Top 16
Johto - Top 8
Hoenn - Top 8 (showed he could do just as could with a batch of fresh pokemon)

fact is Ash will probably get closer and closer to winning before he actually does

And what happens if Ash gets to the finals this time around? Do you think they are going to have him win the Isshu league and then dump him because it is easier to come up with a new character instead of new ways of losing.
 

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And what happens if Ash gets to the finals this time around? Do you think they are going to have him win the Isshu league and then dump him because it is easier to come up with a new character instead of new ways of losing.

No because the league OBVIOUSLY isn't the end.
 

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Well, I know DP was revealed before May's fate was truly decided, but after she already lost the Kanto GF. I just looked, and AG was revealed (unintentionally) way before we would know Misty's fate. AG was revealed for real closer to the Johto League.
 

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What, like a Grand Elite 4... I wanna know where these fellas have been the last while... And idk..... because contests aren't that important.

Like I said good writing can keep things fresh and intresting, who knows what they will think of if they keep Dawn and contest for the long-term.
 

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Like I said good writing can keep things fresh and intresting, who knows what they will think of if they keep Dawn and contest for the long-term.

Idk dude... they could push it to the moon and the kids won't like it...
 

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Dawn's moves and contest style have already been well-established. Just like May had developed her's enough by the time she departed. Even if contests were to be kept for another generation, having Dawn as the main competitor would eventually get stale and boring. Not to mention if Dawn stays that would mean her rivalries would stay which aren't all that interesting. For those of you who say all the good things Dawn would bring to the show as a permanent character and coordinator then ask yourself: how come this didn't happen with May. She's a coordinator a female protagonist and a decent character that with good writing could always be kept fresh and interesting.
 
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