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The general Pokemon League / end of Sinnoh / Generation V thread

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To me I think 8 episodes is possible.

DP183: Openning ceremony/rival meeting/1rst prelim battle
DP184: 2nd prelim battle (double battle) beginning of the Conway match
DP185: end of the Ash v Conway full battle/scene of Ash and Dawn discussing fighting Nando/Shot of Nando and Ash sending their first pokémon
DP186: Ash v Nando/Nando leaves
DP187: Ash v Barry
DP188: end of Ash v Barry (first 7 minutes) and beginning of Ash v Paul
DP189: Ash v Paul (12-15 minutes)/Ash-Paul closure
DP190: Ash v Legendary trainer/ League ends

It's possible. If we think about the previous Ash v Paul full battle, it took about half the episode to start and there was a lot of dialogue from the peanut gallery, so they can definitely fit a full battle in 15-25 minutes and do it well.

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Why are we assuming that Ash goes back to Pallet town ? I mean Delia'll probably show and Oak is gonna be there with his old pokémon... couldn't he just bring back his Sinnoh pokes ? I still think there's a chance Ash'll leave Infernape with Paul anyway. I think Ash'll leave from Sinnoh to Isshu.
 

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See Gible I actually want Conway to last long in this League. I always liked him, and I honestly would like him or Barry or Nando to battle Ash after Paul.

Paul ain't all that great, he isn't entitled to Top 4 or anything IMO.
 

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That is usually how it goes. They could resolve everything in one ep, or they might not. They would have to glance over the trip back, though, but they've done that countless times before for trips over water. They might bypass it entirely so they can immediately head out on a boat to the next region. That would perhaps entail Oak and Delia being at the league. We know Ash to have his reserves, and how they are delivered to him remains a mystery. They could very well be transported via the video phone, but that would mean Ash asked specifically for those pokemon. For Oak to be there with all or even most of Ash's reserves would still mean there was some intention behind it, either on Ash or Oak's part. We just don't know enough to know how it will play out.
 

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See Gible I actually want Conway to last long in this League. I always liked him, and I honestly would like him or Barry or Nando to battle Ash after Paul.

Paul ain't all that great, he isn't entitled to Top 4 or anything IMO.

But that would mean having one of them catch a legendary pokemon and defeat Ash. Ash is most likely to get to Top 4 this time so that should be Paul in the Top 8 because his is the most important rivalry in the league.
 

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See Gible I actually want Conway to last long in this League. I always liked him, and I honestly would like him or Barry or Nando to battle Ash after Paul.

A- The order isn't important... except for Paul top4 and Legendary trainer top 2
B- While I like Conway too, there's no buildup whatsoever. (especially with the Kenny fighting Ash for Dawn ep, anybody else think that should have been Conway's League plot...) The Ash v Paul battle is gonna have all the tension, the character developpement and the grit, so it needs to be close to the end of the League, because that battle is the climax, anything that comes after that isn't gonna have the same importance and isn't gonna be as epic.

Paul ain't all that great, he isn't entitled to Top 4 or anything IMO.

Out of all of Ash's rivals, he's clearly the one consistently shown to be the more seasonned and experience trainer. Personnal preference aside, it really doesn't make sense to burn him at the very beginning of the League.

Why in the world would Ash give his Infernape to Paul?

Because I was able to predict one of your answers earlier, proving my powers as an oracle of truth... I have spoken.
 

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But that would mean having one of them catch a legendary pokemon and defeat Ash. Ash is most likely to get to Top 4 this time so that should be Paul in the Top 8 because his is the most important rivalry in the league.

Hoepfully he battles Paul in the Top 4, not the Top 8.
 

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I see what you mean Gible, but I'd like the writers to shake things up.

We all speculated Ash would beat Paul, but we all speculated Dawn would beat Zoey, and while Paul is a big bad baddie, having a tie would be much more unpredictable.

This League should be more exciting if we know what not to expect.

Knock Paul out in one of the early 6 vs 6, and give Barry, Nando, and Conway memorable battles that last a lifetime.

Paul is becoming a bit dry now anway, I'm looking forward to seeing everyone but him, because I know he'll just throw out these epic moves or dominate the battle, that's not fun.

It's funny, when May lost to Solidad in such a devastating way, that battle wasn't seen as half as good as May vs Drew.

But once a main character can dominate battles like Solidad could, whether they're interesting or not they are champions.

Same thing with a Pokemon's persona or a trainer's. Fans love personality and so do the target audience, maybe that's why the writers have focused on maturing the characters after they leave the show, and rarely having pokemon with unnoticeable personality factors because Champions don't have goofy pokemon, and a main character has yet to be a champion.

Does anyone think there's still hope for Ash to win the League, I do.
 

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No, he won't win. He'll most likely get to the finals, and lose. Similarily to Dawn actually.

If this happens I hope Ash and Dawn bond over this. Like talk to each other about their next step, maybe even form a pact full of nothing but success.

If Ash does lose, than May better have won her Johto GF, or Misty better have revealed to have went back and won the Whirl Cup, or been promoted to Elite Four member status.

I'm so over this "so close, yet so far nonsense"

It'd be pretty lame for Ash to make the finals and lose 6 to 5.
 

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Well, like it or not, the previews already stated that the Ash vs. Paul battle will be the battle to look forward to for the league. If they wanted to make it that important, there is no way they would have Paul lose to the riffraff of the lower ranks. In fact, that would be an insult to Paul's character. He is far stronger than that.
 

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I still think he's only gonna make it to the Top 4. I see the league going like this:
DP-182 Ash's Old Pokemon
DP-183 The opening of the league/first preliminary (double battle) finished
DP-184 The second preliminary battle (traditional 3 vs.3) finished/ top 32 revealed
DP-185 Ash vs. Conway until one trainer has 4 pokes left
DP-186 Ash vs. Conway finished/Ash vs. Nando begins with one trainer losing two pokes
DP-187 Ash vs. Nando finished/Paul vs. Barry begins
DP-188 Paul vs. Barry finished/ Ash vs. Paul begins
DP-189 Ash vs. Paul finished/Ash vs. Legend begins
DP-190 Ash vs. Legend finished/League closure
DP-191 Dawn's good-bye ep.
DP-192 Ash returns to Pallet decides to go to Isshu
 

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Paul will likely be in the semi's, with the legendary being in the finals. I don't see the Legendary trainer using a legendary before the finals.
 

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Paul will likely be in the semi's, with the legendary being in the finals. I don't see the Legendary trainer using a legendary before the finals.

But what if he goes up against Ash in the semis and then knowing about his exploits and using some of the pokemon that accomplished those things he could decide to pull it out a level earlier.
 

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Well, like it or not, the previews already stated that the Ash vs. Paul battle will be the battle to look forward to for the league. If they wanted to make it that important, there is no way they would have Paul lose to the riffraff of the lower ranks. In fact, that would be an insult to Paul's character. He is far stronger than that.

When you put it that way, yeah, I agree. I do love the animosity and intensity in the rivalry, and more will be at stake to prove a point for Ash.

But I don't think all rivals should come before Paul's battle with Ash.

Top 32: Ash vs Barry, Ash will win, he hasn't faced Paul yet
Top 16: Ash vs Nando: Ash will win, he hasn't faced Paul yet
Top 8: Ash vs Conway: Ash will win, he hasn't faced Paul yet
Top 4: Ash vs Paul: Ash will win, he has to prove a point
Top 2: Ash will win/lose, whatever the writers feel like

I just want Ash really to go all out in this League, as well as the writers. I don't want the above list to happen, it should be totally unexpected, unpredictable, and totally fun.

Some people found Nando vs Zoey to be the best GF battle, one Dawn didn't partake in.

It's all about perception really, some people may like other rival battles more than Paul's.
 

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Well, the last time we've seen a lot of rivals was the Johto league, and it was almost solely dedicated to Ash facing the major opponents he had there. There were some other battles, I know, but I think they were all in the round robin segment, which ended with the battle against what's his face Meganium guy. Unless they pull the same sort of thing as what they did in the BF, with two rivals facing each other, and thus one gets eliminated not by Ash's hand, they should be able to do the same with this league. Even if you consider the Hoenn league. If you take out the two COTD battles, you could easily fit two other rivals there. They can do it, the question is will they? And that was merely with Ash placing at most in the top 8. If they plan to go further, the league will obviously be longer. Right now, they have as many as 4 extra eps to play out the league and have one closing ep, and BW to begin on Sept. 23rd. It's as many as 5 eps if BW occurs on the very last Thursday of September, and that's only assuming they'll do an hour of pokemon to compensate for delays due to reairing the movie and any other possible delays. My projection accounted for at least a 7 ep league. If they use all of those extra days, the league will be long indeed. Very long. :p (If you're wondering, I at least had the league beginning at the end of July, but it would immediately appear I was mistaken in that matter, and it could begin sooner)
 

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When the movies are aired in Japan are they released according to their place in the plot...or not? Because what if the movie is in the middle of the league.
 

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It is usually timed to certain events in the anime. Unfortunately, we don't know which pokes Ash has on him in the movie unless I missed something.
 

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Knock Paul out in one of the early 6 vs 6, and give Barry, Nando, and Conway memorable battles that last a lifetime.

Can't short, early battles be memorable too? I loved that battle between Jessie and Harley where he used an Ariados on her Wobbufett. I understand that you think Paul's attention is largely undeserved, and under exposed characters like Conway should have a chance to shine, but really...The tension between Ash and Paul has been building up since the third episode. I'm sure the fans would want some kind of complete resolution.

Paul is becoming a bit dry now anway, I'm looking forward to seeing everyone but him, because I know he'll just throw out these epic moves or dominate the battle, that's not fun.

It's funny, when May lost to Solidad in such a devastating way, that battle wasn't seen as half as good as May vs Drew.

Let's not sell Ash too short now. I'm sure that he'll give Paul quite a run for his money, it's not gonna be like that crushing 6v6 loss. I'm pretty sure that the writers want to make this battle turn in Ash's favor to keep the status quo. Even if he loses (which is highly unlikely), he's going to lose with a shred of respect.

Does anyone think there's still hope for Ash to win the League, I do.

Actually...maybe. I've been leaning towards "yes" recently, because Dawn lost the GF. But that might be more reason to say "no." Since he's going on to Isshu (99.9% sure) he's not gonna become champion. And has it been confirmed that Ash will fight a legendary pokemon in the FINALS? I always thought it was somewhere earlier on, like top 8 or top 4.
 

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And has it been confirmed that Ash will fight a legendary pokemon in the FINALS?

I don't remember... but in the previews/announcement, did they actually say Ash would be fighting the legendary during the league, or just somewhere from the league on until the end of DP?
 
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