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The general Pokemon League / end of Sinnoh / Generation V thread

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I really hope Dawn stays. She has so much unexplored potential. For one thing she just got that Togekiss a few episodes before the GF, Cyndaquil is just a baby, and buneary is yet to evolve (I really hope it does.) I personally hope that they have the boy b/w character on the team for a change.

Why would they do all that? Dawn's had Buneary for 180 episodes, if it was going to evolve it would have happened. And why bring up Cynda or Togekiss? They're done development wise.

Dawn is 100% leaving. There's no way her or this Contest dynamic will last past 4 years. This set of coordinators weren't even that popular.
 

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And why bring up Cynda or Togekiss? They're done development wise.

Cynda should resolve its problems with Pip... back when we thought the first GF ep was water/fire and not ice/fire, I hoped that Pip and Cynda will learn to become friends to work together
Maybe the Quilava ep will do something with it (I can see Pip being friends with Ash's Cynda, which annoys Dawn's Cynda, then Ash's Cynda evolves into Quilava and Dawn's Cynda start to look up to it and it tells Cynda to be nice to Pip)

Dawn is 100% leaving.

90% is more logical
Every time you say something is sure to happen, the writers don't do it... so you better stop this 100% thing

There's no way her or this Contest dynamic will last past 4 years. This set of coordinators weren't even that popular.

She can get new rivals if they want... like you said they'll do with May
Anyway, there's no "popular" - that's only with us older fans on the internet who they don't care about
The target audience just enjoy watching the Pokémon doing stuff in the show... they don't analyze the show or form serious opinions on the various characters (especially rivals who barely appear... they just love Ash and Dawn and enjoy watching Poké battle and so stuff on screen)
 

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But at the same time there's no incentive for them to keep Dawn. People claim she's more popular than she really is, kids will have no problem adapting to a new female character if they even stick around for the next gen. I honestly believe it was Piplup itself that made Dawn more popular in Japan.

As for older fans, yeah we don't matter, so I don't know why people are using Dawn's status online. Dawn's about the same as everyone else.
 

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Nothing is 100% sure. If all was, Dawn was the GF winner now.

Agreed,writers can do whatever they want no matter how unlikely it may be.
Going by past incidents of course that things goes more into direction of Dawn likely leaving,but there is nothing to say writers wouldnt want to change formula abit bringing new male insead and keeping current girl to develop her more.

Even older girls who left has some chance to return to cast to be furher developed due to alot of unused material(especially first one),but chances arent going in their favor sadly.
Poin is everything has some small chance of becoming reality,because in end writers decide and plan what to do in future.

What really makes me wonder is how will Brocks faith be played out?Many people see that recent info as his ticket for departure,but i wouldnt be surprised if he joins group in new region again with new dream being actually him transfering to do something else while travelling with group.
 

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Cynda should resolve its problems with Pip... back when we thought the first GF ep was water/fire and not ice/fire, I hoped that Pip and Cynda will learn to become friends to work together
Maybe the Quilava ep will do something with it (I can see Pip being friends with Ash's Cynda, which annoys Dawn's Cynda, then Ash's Cynda evolves into Quilava and Dawn's Cynda start to look up to it and it tells Cynda to be nice to Pip)

Sadly I think they have forgotten about all of that. Even then, Pochama was the brat not Hinoarashi :p
 

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Now that Ash's Cynda evolved I'm convinced Dawn's Cynda will never evolve, even when she makes her 5th gen cameo.
 

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Cynda has served its purpose very well as far as I'm concerned. Not only as being promotion of HG/SS, which should be it's primary function, but it also won a ribbon and defeated Ursula in the GF. That is enough to satisfy me, and I was skeptical of Cynda replacing Ambipom. It has more than redeemed itself, and I would not be disappointed if it's story ended now. Togekiss, I will say it didn't just serve the purpose of being Dawn's 6th contest poke for the GF, it also served the purpose of giving Jessie her last ribbon. While I will admit, that is a pretty ill conceived role for it, I will remind you, we have had a last minute capture that at the time, it served even less purpose: Phanpy. Granted, it got to redeem itself in the Battle Frontier, but I was speaking purely in terms of Johto. Glalie served perhaps as much purpose as Togekiss has here, only it failed it's only gym battle and later became a force to be reckoned with. Yes, Togekiss has not been around too long, but for what it has had to do, it did well, and it certainly did not have it easy at the GF. Could both of them be elaborated on? Yes. Will the writers do it? Their pattern suggests no. Oh, and as for the Piplup/Cynda rivalry, I will mark that has not been touched upon since that ep, so I think they canned that idea never to speak of it again.
 

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If Dawn leaves, they at least need to wrap up the Buneary/Pikachu one-sided love deal.
 

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That is not important to the story, so they can just leave it like it is.

Also, why are the so called probabilities for Dawn staying went from 50% to 1%? I think that cheerleading thing she did offended some people.
 

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I was considering that, but with the way things are going, we may not see that happen. They still have time, I know, and they could still do it at the end of DP, but there is little reason for Dawn to be letting Buneary out of the ball unless it's to cheer Ash during the league. May did have all of her pokemon out in the last ep of AG, so if Dawn leaves, maybe we will see her team one last time before she goes.
 

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If Dawn leaves, they at least need to wrap up the Buneary/Pikachu one-sided love deal.

And that is a BIG if; we dont know anymore people, stop covering each other's asses. You will be surprised the most like you were when Dawn lost the GF; stop saying everything is 100% percent sure just because it happend in the past - this thing is called logic, from philosophy and math. If I say all crows are black, and then a white one appears from all the sudden, then the proposition "All crows are black" is a false, hence a falacy. This is the same thing when you say Dawn is leaving 100% sure. For me is more 50/50% chances, so stop flamming please.
 
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Sorry folks, but I thinks it's quite a bit more than a 50/50 chance that she's leaving. Yes, she didn't win the GF bt she doesn't have to get another one. We're still not even sure if contest are in B/W.
 

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Sorry folks, but I thinks it's quite a bit more than a 50/50 chance that she's leaving. Yes, she didn't win the GF bt she doesn't have to get another one. We're still not even sure if contest are in B/W.

I forgive you for you're blindness.

Oh come on, because of you dont knowing those things its logical to have 50/50 chances. It could either way, yes she may leave, yes she may not, but stop covering each other with the same opinion in these forums. Its anti-democratic.
 
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It could either way, yes she may leave, yes she may not, but stop convering each other with the same opinion in these forums. Its anti-democratic.

Several people share an opinion different then mine. DO NOT ALLOW.

Seriously no one is stopping you from having your own so don't tell other people to keep quiet just because they happen to have the same view.
 

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I expected the final battle a little more wow!
I don t know why it wasn t interesting! They just battled, Infernape controled blaze but that isnt so wow!
We know it would ontrol it someday!
 

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Sorry folks, but I thinks it's quite a bit more than a 50/50 chance that she's leaving. Yes, she didn't win the GF bt she doesn't have to get another one. We're still not even sure if contest are in B/W.

To me it sounds like you and your ilk are scrambling to make up reasons why Dawn is leaving. I thought the hints from the show were more than enough to prove a point.

Things went from Dawn's GF victory guaranteeing her exit, then her wanting to follow her "rivals", even thought they are not really rivals in the strictest sense.
 

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Several people share an opinion different then mine. DO NOT ALLOW.

Seriously no one is stopping you from having your own so don't tell other people to keep quiet just because they happen to have the same view.

You dont need me to say to keep quiet with my ideas, but you all get the tendency to comment different ideas in a excessive depreaciative way. And I'm not telling other people to be quiet, so YOU stop saying I want to quiet other people while it's YOU who want to quiet me because of my different view of things.
 

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But at the same time there's no incentive for them to keep Dawn.

I didn't say she'll stay... sadly, I agree that she's almost sure to leave... especially when now the Kenny ep is going to provide a way for it

As for older fans, yeah we don't matter, so I don't know why

Why you keep acting as if we matter to them...

Sadly I think they have forgotten about all of that. Even then, Pochama was the brat not Hinoarashi :p

It does seem forgotten... they didn't really had any kind of interaction since Cynda's second ep... but I still hope
And it's Cynda who started it all...

Now that Ash's Cynda evolved I'm convinced Dawn's Cynda will never evolve, even when she makes her 5th gen cameo.

The only changes I can see for Dawn's team in her BW appearance is MAYBE Buneary evolving (which I seriously doubt... but the semi-mascot status might get forgotten after Dawn is no longer on the main cast and "allow" the writers to evolve the bunny, and possibly resolve the Pika love thing this way?)
Other than that, Pip will never evolve and I agree that Cynda won't evolve either... only thing I can see is that in case Pachi gets a new evolution like a lot of people speculate, then Dawn will debut it in her return

I still hope that somehow Dawn does at least some of that by DP's end:
- Use Pip/Pachi in a successful double performance to let them make up for their Hearthome failure
- Use Mamoswine in a performance (it NEVER did a performance at all, that's ridiculous!)
- Use Togekiss in a performance (never done a performance under Dawn's ownership)

I really hope that at least one of these things somehow happens by DP's end...
I can see an unofficial Contest or something in the final two eps (well, if they have the time for it) which might include a double performance to allow us getting Pip/Pachi or Toge/Mamo... in case we really get such a Contest, I'd love to see Pip/Pachi pass the double performance and Toge/Bunny to pass the battles round
Then I'd also love to see a prize to battle Fantina, which can be Mamo/Cynda VS Drifblim/Mismagius

And then in BW special Contest (like Wallace Cup) we see Dawn use Mamo/Toge in the double performance... and win the final battle with Pip/Toge like she couldn't do in the GF

Of course, none of that is likely to happen... =\ I also wanted Dawn to lose to Ursula and also wanted a Dawn/Zoey tag battle...
Too much stuff should happen, but there's just no time for it... oh well

If Dawn leaves, they at least need to wrap up the Buneary/Pikachu one-sided love deal.

I expect/hope for this:
Bunny is sad to leave Pika, Dawn asks if it'd prefer to stay with Pika but the Bunny choose Dawn, Bunny makes Pika promise that it'll never fall in love in any other Poké and Pika agree because it'll never fall in love with anyone (Bunny included) anyway...
 
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