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The general Pokemon League / end of Sinnoh / Generation V thread

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Masurao

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To me it sounds like you and your ilk are scrambling to make up reasons why Dawn is leaving. I thought the hints from the show were more than enough to prove a point.

My Ilk? Please. And no ones scrambling to make up reasons why Dawn is leaving. I've said before, I don't mind if she stays. But chances are she will leave, considering how past events are completely relevant. Do you really believe that if contest are gone next region Dawn will stay? Hell no.

These "hints" are nothing more than evidecene of a good friendship. You're mistaken them for something deeper than they actually are, and have been ever since you started posting here.
 

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So the board thinks Dawn is leaving with Zoey or is it Kenny? Yeah, now watch the exact opposite happen.
 

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I'm really wondering about the dynamic of next region's group. Assuming Ash stays of course, I wonder how it's gonna work out the BW characters since they're supposed to be older.

I assume the girl is going to join Ash. Imo, The male BW character is similar to Ash with the hat and the hair sticking out, etc. Just stick the BW character's clothes on Ash just like they sorta did with Lucas' outfit (both D/P and Platinum). But since the BW girl's older, it makes me wonder if Ash will be the youngest of the group. I personally doubt it. It worked for Kanto and Johto but I feel that Ash is too experienced to be the youngest imo.

So maybe we'll get a young character a la Max? Hey in fact, it would be great continuity to see Max join Ash again after learning a lot more in Hoenn. And hey, this is a stretch but following FRLG and HGSS, if we get Hoenn remakes, Max being back can sorta correlate to that I suppose (and May wants to travel independently anyway so maybe this is Max's time to go off on his own?).

Again, a super stretch and just a random idea I had there.

Then there's Brock...will that new goal or whatever that has been said awhile back be the reason he travels to Isshu, or be the reason he leaves Ash. Only time will tell. Assuming BW girl is older than Ash and assuming a younger character is needed to balance out the age differences, Brock could be the deciding factor whether or not it's a group of 4 this region.

Now as for Dawn, I personally think she's not coming back for BW. Dawn would be a main character like Ash and the BW character. Imo, that's too much focus for the group and I think the writers will have a tough time trying to balance screentime for 3 characters. 2 main characters like May/Ash and Dawn/Ash is perfect so that's one reason I don't think Dawn will be in BW. Also, she said that she's gonna work with her team for the next GF which is as assumption that she plans to keep her 6 pokemon with her for her next contest journey. Thus, it's not gonna make sense for Dawn to go to Isshu and not catch anything (then again, it's not like that type of stuff said strictly means Dawn will never change her team). But again, the amount of main starring characters could be too huge for the group if we get Dawn, Ash, and BW character so it would make sense why Dawn could leave (and with the Kenny episode hinting at the fact about where Dawn should go, it would also make sense for that episode to begin Dawn's farewell). Also, Mr. Hidaka who worked for the show stated that they like to change the girl characters rather than the guy characters anyway.

Those are just my thoughts about next region in terms of the group dynamic. There's probably stuff that I can think of/thought of that could also happen but seeing how this post is getting pretty long, I'll stop here :)
 

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So the board thinks Dawn is leaving with Zoey or is it Kenny? Yeah, now watch the exact opposite happen.

I would rather her travel alone but, at this point Kenny and no it has a good chance of happening. Her chances of Traveling with Zoey, and Kenny are higher than her traveling with Ash again. I don't think anyone but a select few would disagree with that.
 

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I would rather her travel alone but, at this point Kenny and no it has a good chance of happening. Her chances of Traveling with Zoey, and Kenny are higher than her traveling with Ash again. I don't think anyone but a select few would disagree with that.

On what premises? Because May left to go after her rivals.
 

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Let's just ignore them... anyone with a brain can realize that Dawn is 90% to leave the show
And it's pointless to argue since we have absolutely no way to know for sure until it actually happens (and if anything, the Kenny ep give us a possible way for her out of the show)
 

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So the board thinks Dawn is leaving with Zoey or is it Kenny? Yeah, now watch the exact opposite happen.

Thats always how it happens...

Let's just ignore them... anyone with a brain can realize that Dawn is 90% to leave the show
And it's pointless to argue since we have absolutely no way to know for sure until it actually happens (and if anything, the Kenny ep give us a possible way for her out of the show)

Yes yes lets just ignore them, their opinion doesnt count at all, since they have no brain, because their opinion is different from ours... -.-
 
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These "hints" are nothing more than evidecene of a good friendship. You're mistaken them for something deeper than they actually are, and have been ever since you started posting here.

The anime is not a reality TV show, there is no point in discussing events like the characters are actually breathing humans. What you call "hints" are story elements that belong to a script.

You have to think of it as basic storytelling. To develop the story, elements are placed before turning points. They create the setting for the next articulation of the plot. If you are a writer and need to show how two characters will either part ways or remain together you need to establish a set of conditions to facilitate this.

The constant emphasis on Dawn wanting to follow and cheer on for Ash, coupled with the turning point of Kenny asking her to travel with him is a common element. It is repeatedly used in the anime to show continuance. An example is Ash during a big battle; he has a determined attitude until his defeat, which makes his initial drive disappear. After some "soul searching", Ash once again continues where he left off before the battle.
 

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Thats what some people dont get. This is storytelling not real life; its not valid to treat the characters like they are real and think for themselves, which is not the case.

Every sittuation is different and I think the writers proved that speculating based on the past isnt trustfull anymore. Different sittuations lead to different endings.

Anyway, do you people think there's gonna be a new side quest within the games, maybe along with contests/gyms and will these be someway different too?
 

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Thats what some people dont get. This is storytelling not real life; its not valid to treat the characters like they are real and think for themselves, which is not the case.

Every sittuation is different and I think the writers proved that speculating based on the past isnt trustfull anymore. Different sittuations lead to different endings.

Anyway, do you people think there's gonna be a new side quest within the games, maybe along with contests/gyms and will these be someway different too?

That's one of the things I was thinking about. But I have no idea. I guess we'll have to wait and see. For my views at least, a reason why imo Dawn would leave Ash and co. is because of the appropriate amount of screentime for Ash/BW character/Dawn. I think it'd be overload to try and have a quest for Ash (gyms), Dawn (contests), and the BW character. For advertising purposes, the BW character can't just sit back and do nothing like Brock does. And as you've said, this is storytelling. A good story needs to have its balance. You can't cram too many things into one story or it won't work. 3 adventures would not allow the same amount of screentime that Ash and Dawn have now.

That's why I feel it would be natural if Dawn would leave with Kenny or whoever and the BW girl can come into play doing contests or whatever BW may possibly have in store for a second quest. The Kenny episode could start Dawn's farewell. She either may decide what she'll do now, or decide later. This episode might be a set up for her leaving.

And to those that think that Dawn will travel alone, I really do think with her emphasis of friendship that she'd travel with Kenny or Zoey. Her theme song is "By Your Side" right?
 

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And to those that think that Dawn will travel alone, I really do think with her emphasis of friendship that she'd travel with Kenny or Zoey. Her theme song is "By Your Side" right?

Who was by her side all this time? Doesn't seem to be Kenny or Zoey.
 

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That's one of the things I was thinking about. But I have no idea. I guess we'll have to wait and see. For my views at least, a reason why imo Dawn would leave Ash and co. is because of the appropriate amount of screentime for Ash/BW character/Dawn. I think it'd be overload to try and have a quest for Ash (gyms), Dawn (contests), and the BW character. For advertising purposes, the BW character can't just sit back and do nothing like Brock does. And as you've said, this is storytelling. A good story needs to have its balance. You can't cram too many things into one story or it won't work. 3 adventures would not allow the same amount of screentime that Ash and Dawn have now.

That's why I feel it would be natural if Dawn would leave with Kenny or whoever and the BW girl can come into play doing contests or whatever BW may possibly have in store for a second quest. The Kenny episode could start Dawn's farewell. She either may decide what she'll do now, or decide later. This episode might be a set up for her leaving.

And to those that think that Dawn will travel alone, I really do think with her emphasis of friendship that she'd travel with Kenny or Zoey. Her theme song is "By Your Side" right?


That could be a good possibility too, but if they want to ditch Brock, they will probably wont do the same with the Gen V character, weather it is the boy or the girl.
I think it would be boring to have a 3rd coordinator girl in a row and thats why I think they should bring a new formula with gyms, contests and a Generation Special side quest. At least for now; then I think there would be no reason for Ash being at gyms, Dawn at contests and the BW boy/girl on the new thing. Putting Dawn in the cast would balance the ages well, if they just add BW boy or girl, then we would have 2 girls in main cast, that would be a nice change :).
 

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Who was by her side all this time? Doesn't seem to be Kenny or Zoey.

Of course it's Ash but that comment was meant to just say how I don't think Dawn will travel by herself since there are some people who think or maybe want that.

But I've stated my reasons why she may not be travelling with Ash already and I really don't feel like repeating myself lol.

That could be a good possibility too, but if they want to ditch Brock, they will probably wont do the same with the Gen V character, weather it is the boy or the girl.
I think it would be boring to have a 3rd coordinator girl in a row and thats why I think they should bring a new formula with gyms, contests and a Generation Special side quest. At least for now; then I think there would be no reason for Ash being at gyms, Dawn at contests and the BW boy/girl on the new thing. Putting Dawn in the cast would balance the ages well, if they just add BW boy or girl, then we would have 2 girls in main cast, that would be a nice change :).

Well again, I don't know how the writers can handle 3 main characters but to each their own I suppose.

And oh, I see that no one seems to have read about my crazy idea that Max could join Ash again if they're keeping the ages consistent with the BW characters being older and assuming Brock and Dawn are gone (so that Ash won't be the youngest member in the group). Or it's just not that interesting haha!
 

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Of course it's Ash but that comment was meant to just say how I don't think Dawn will travel by herself since there are some people who think or maybe want that.

But I've stated my reasons why she may not be travelling with Ash already and I really don't feel like repeating myself lol.

And oh, I see that no one seems to have read about my crazy idea that Max could join Ash again if they're keeping the ages consistent with the BW characters being older and assuming Brock and Dawn are gone (so that Ash won't be the youngest member in the group). Or it's just not that interesting haha!


Thats one thing that I've thought of too. If they do add or dont add the BW characters, they could balance it with an anime only character, weather Dawn continues or not. Personally it would be preferable for me not having another coordinator and let this anime only character or the BW characters have the Gen. V sidequest.

Edit: Refering to your last edit, I think they could handle it if they decreased the number of filler episodes a bit, scatering them more.
 

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Well again, I don't know how the writers can handle 3 main characters but to each their own I suppose.

To be fair having third quests could be possible,but in that case it would be needed to cut down on few things like Ash and "insert girl here" receiving little less screentime,aswell some arcs or fillers being reduced.

Of course two main quests would receive more attention being in this case gyms and contests(unless theyre replaced with something else),while third quest would be focused to lesser extent but still be satisfying.

Not saying it will happen,but with good distribution of screentime it could be possible.
 

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As Piplup said, if Dawn leaves I would very much like an unofficial contest. Possibly with a win against Zoey at long last. Also, if there was an unofficial contest, I would like to see Piplup and Buneary battling as they were her first two Pokemon. (Have they ever done a double contest battle together?).
As for the whole Dawn leaving/not leaving, well we'll find out quite soon and no one can be entirely sure until then.
 

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To be fair having third quests could be possible,but in that case it would be needed to cut down on few things like Ash and "insert girl here" receiving little less screentime,aswell some arcs or fillers being reduced.

Of course two main quests would receive more attention being in this case gyms and contests(unless theyre replaced with something else),while third quest would be focused to lesser extent but still be satisfying.

Not saying it will happen,but with good distribution of screentime it could be possible.

To you and Shivan30, it could happen. We'll see. There's also the fact that we don't know a thing about the storyline or what's exactly in BW so it's sorta hard to try and speculate about BW stuff. So if you don't mind, I'm switching subjects to something that's easier and more fun to speculate about...

The Sinnoh League! Yay! So I'm still hoping for an Ash vs. Nando contest league match. It'd be sorta weird if neither Ash nor Dawn battle Nando so Ash battling him here would be nice. It's been mentioned before but Ash's pokemon can certainly take some notes from Dawn's pokemon about cool combos. Like Donphan using Hidden Power and Take Down at the same time. Glalie/Quilava flame ice (Ash version). And hey, Buizel can use its Ice Aqua Jet! Not to mention, I like da sparklez :)
 

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My hopes for a hypothetical yet desired unofficial contest:

Doubles all the way. No restrictions on certain Pokémon being in the battle rounds. This will give all of Hikari's Pokémon time to shine,

Appeals: Manmoo and Togekiss. They haven't done an appeal under Hikari and they look as if they could be an interesting pair.

1st battle: Pachirisu and Hinoarashi against COTD. I've always wanted to see this pairing similar to Manmoo and Togekiss.

2nd battle: Pochama and Mimirol against Nozomi. Hikari would win. Pairing for the symbolism that Hestia mentioned. I'd want to see Erlade again as I liked how they animated its general movements in the GF final.

3rd battle/final: Togekiss and anyone against Urara. Urara would win and have a Gen V Pokémon on her (Chandelier Turtle) as well as using Gabite or Showers.

We'd also have Musashi lingering around pretending as if she doesn't have any interest.
 

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Maybe Dawn could come to Isshu but not trave with the group and be more of a reccuring character.
 

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I'd like an unofficial contest like last region. That'd be nice! All of Dawn's pokemon being used would definitely be cool to see.

And Dawn beating Zoey in one at the end of Sinnoh would parallel with how Drew lost to May in the GF but then won later on. At least that way we could see Dawn finally beating Zoey. And I agree with Iteru, if there's time, I'd definitely like to see Ursula get a win against Dawn too.
 
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