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The general Pokemon League / end of Sinnoh / Generation V thread

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They don't have a choice in the matter. Nintendo/Game Freak is the one calling the shots.

Oops, I forgot about that, lol. A shame really. Everyone has their tit for tats with the show. Promotion is just something that should be toned down, IMO.

Like Team Rocket had great Pokemon, I hope Seviper never leaves, such a shame, Arbok, Dustox, and Chimeco, as well as Lickitung had too. :(
 

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Like Team Rocket had great Pokemon, I hope Seviper never leaves, such a shame, Arbok, Dustox, and Chimeco, as well as Lickitung had too. :(

TR belong exclusively to the anime, which makes them awesome. I'm glad they don't drag any of TR gimmicks into game promotion, we were so lucky not have them written off the show. When Hoenn started and Team Aqua/Magma were introduced I thought it could be the end, but now there too important to anime itself to scrap in favor of game promotion.
Sometimes the anime just feels so much like an elaborate advertisement
(especially the whole Lyra/Khoury HGSS promotion)


TR keep it real. I'm glad Jessie probably wont be entering contests anymore, it detracted from TR's antics.

I hope Seviper stays too.
 

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TR keep it real. I'm glad Jessie probably wont be entering contests anymore, it detracted from TR's antics.

Even if Contests aren't in BW, Musashi will just do whatever new thing there is.

Personally I'm bored of the Rockets usual antics. Contests helped keep them interesting.
 

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Personally I'm bored of the Rockets usual antics. Contests helped keep them interesting.
QFT. Just chasing Pikachu is so one-dimensional, and Contests made Musashi (Kojiro and Nyasu too) develop so much. I'm excited to know what the possible new side quest next gen is, and if it will fit Musashi like Contests did.
 

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He could tie with Paul, too.

No. No, just no. He can't tie with Paul. He just can't.

How many times do we get to see a main character beat a rival, or lose to one. Tieing with one, is much more original.

More original, maybe, but a whole lot less satisfying then seeing Ash win/lose the right way.
 

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I agree that Jessie doing contests, the real way, was refreshing. Not just like where they interrupt gyms, it was a lot more constructive, and I hope they keep it up into the next generation.
 

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I agree as well my hope is that they give James something to do next generation as I feel Jessie got the majority of Team Rocket's screentime. James seems like he would be much more in tune with something like the Pokethlon.
 

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No. No, just no. He can't tie with Paul. He just can't.

Why not, after seeing Torterra lose to quickly to Volkner, and knowing Paul is still training, why not tie with Paul. Paul could still learn to respect Ash.

More original, maybe, but a whole lot less satisfying then seeing Ash win/lose the right way.

I'm not saying it isn't, but there comes a time, where we really shouldn't be able to predict what happens.

I don't know about you guys, but knowing what's going to happen isn't any fun. Battle and contest wise I mean, not the spoilers we get from episode links.
 

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I wouldn't be surprised if Paul sticks around for Gen V. So he may not beat him in the League.
 

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I wouldn't be surprised if Paul sticks around for Gen V. So he may not beat him in the League.

Me either, TBH. Paul was a good rival, and It's hard to imagine him disappearing out of nowhere to never be heard of again.

Oh yeah CF: I agree with you about Team Rocket, they are classic, and they are one reason I watch. I love it when we see them act serious sometimes though like Arbok and Weezing's releases, Chimeco's release, Blissey and Jessie. Stuff like that.

I loved Jessie in contests, and while I hope she continues, I hope James does something, too.
 

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Why not, after seeing Torterra lose to quickly to Volkner, and knowing Paul is still training, why not tie with Paul.

You can't tie with anyone in the league. There will always be a tiebreaker.
 

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You're telling me that after 4 years of rivalry, you'd be okay with their match ending in a tie ? That's the most unsatisfying ending ever. It wouldn't prove anything, it wouldn't prove that Ash is the better trainer or that his methods are better. This would just ruin the League.

I'm not saying it isn't, but there comes a time, where we really shouldn't be able to predict what happens.

If you want unpredictability, stop looking at spoilers on the Internet, it's that simple. Don't suggest that the writers have to pull a lame ending for the most important battle in Ash's Sinnoh arc, just to make it "unpredictable"

I like being surprised as much as the next guy, but not at the expense of good closure to a storyline.

I don't know about you guys, but knowing what's going to happen isn't any fun. Battle and contest wise I mean, not the spoilers we get from episode links.

Even if you know the outcome, you can't predict how the battle unfolds.

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By the way, with Nando and possibly Conway being part of the preliminaries, does that mean that even if he beat Barry, Paul and loses to Legendary trainer he could still end up in the Top 8
 
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You're telling me that after 4 years of rivalry, you'd be okay with their match ending in a tie ? That's the most unsatisfying ending ever. It wouldn't prove anything, it wouldn't prove that Ash is the better trainer or that his methods are better. This would just ruin the League.


I would love to see Ash get vengeance and beat Paul, however, it was way too predictable that Ash would beat Paul to prove a lesson. Predictable things kinda bore me at times. Not saying Ash beating Paul is a bore, I want Ash to seek vengeance, but I would like one tie to happen in this League, so we can see how it is broken.

I don't see what the big deal of a tie is, especially since Ash tied in a League before, against Jackson. Meganium vs Bulbasaur.


If you want unpredictability, stop looking at spoilers on the Internet, it's that simple. Don't suggest that the writers have to pull a lame ending for the most important battle in Ash's Sinnoh arc, just to make it "unpredictable"

Lol, calm down, you and your Gible icons keep hitting me with draco meters and it hurts....

Well, I do love the Japanese version, but when I come back from camp, you better believe I'll stay away from here, til I watch all episodes of the League myself.

I like being surprised as much as the next guy, but not at the expense of good closure to a storyline.

Me either, after all, I was surprised when Misty left the show, and we all know how I feel about that :)


Even if you know the outcome, you can't predict how the battle unfolds.
Exactly. If Ash beats Paul, let it be really, really, really close, or let Ash win by 6-4 or something.


By the way, with Nando and possibly Conway being part of the preliminaries, does that mean that even if he beat Barry, Paul and loses to Legendary trainer he could still end up in the Top 8

Yup, but the writers doing that would be cruel, yet again so would Ash not beating Paul, but he didn't beat Gary his first league, and Ash being in Top 8 may be sad, and while I don't think he deserves it, it isn't predictable.

Even though Dawn lost in the appeal rounds 2wice, it was still great writing. Without suffering, there would be no compassion.

Ash has had a lot of happy endings lately, if he were to get one that was not so pleasant, I think it'd be fresh and great writing.
 

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I kind of agree with you there Cascada but my guess is that Ash would most likely end up in the Top 4 instead of at the finals simply because in regards to leagues in the series the writers seem to like to take things very slowly with Ash. For example, Ash went up one level from Indigo League to the Silver Conference. Similarly, Ash didn't even go up from the Silver Conference to the Ever Grande Conference. I think the reasoning there is that he didn't use his full strength while in the Johto region he did which is why he improved upon his league placement in the Johto League. My thinking is that since he is bringing almost the sum of his pokemon he will move up at least one rung from previous placements. But then again he might place Top 8 again because he is not bringing his full strength.
 

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I would love to see Ash get vengeance and beat Paul, however, it was way too predictable that Ash would beat Paul to prove a lesson.

Predictable but satisfactory, whereas a tie would be unpredictable and unstatisfactory. I'd rather watch a good story getting a good ending while knowing what that ending will be, than watch a good story be ruined by a bad ending that destroys the meaning of all of the buildup and meaning of the characters' relationship that I didn't see coming.

I would like one tie to happen in this League, so we can see how it is broken.

1-on-1 battle, rock-paper-scizor (pun intended), tic tac frigging toe... who cares ? If they tie it proves that Ash and Paul's methods and philosophy are just as good and will get them the same results. So what's making Paul change then ? What's making the last 4 years mean anything in that sccenario. Not a damn thing.

Ash needs to beat Paul and that's that.

I don't see what the big deal of a tie is, especially since Ash tied in a League before, against Jackson. Meganium vs Bulbasaur.

Bad example, 1- that was in the prelim, 2- there was nothing on the line, unlike Ash/Paul and 3- It sorta made Ash look really weak.

Lol, calm down, you and your Gible icons keep hitting me with draco meters and it hurts....

You're not a Piplup or Kenny, my Draco Meteor do not hurt you...

Ash has had a lot of happy endings lately, if he were to get one that was not so pleasant, I think it'd be fresh and great writing.

What ? He lost a lot lately Paul full battle, Flint, Bertha, Palmer, to Barry... Time for him to get some wins...
 

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He could tie with Paul, too. And yeah, the unpredictable factor is what makes me want it so bad. How many times do we get to see a main character beat a rival, or lose to one. Tieing with one, is much more original.
I actually want Reiji to face Paul. Because Reiji could just curb-stomp Paul and teach him to respect others. However, if it boils down to Satoshi vs. Shinji, I want Satoshi to DEFINATELY win. Shinji has lost, but he's a total jerk and doesn't learn anything, maybe a defeat at the hands of Ash would educate him better, no?

It's a shame this League is ending up to be very rushed, same as the Grand Festival really. I mean, Ash and Dawn both had long, difficult, and challenging journeys this saga. Why couldn't the writer's make everything more detailed.
Why of course, if long, difficult and challenging meant more fillers then you can imagine. :x It took them a year to get to a freaking Gym. JUST ONE GYM.

However, I'd love it better if they took away the loads and loads of fillers and added in more time to the plots that really matter.

I just noticed that Johto's Leage was a tad bit rushed too. It really is sad that promotion plays such a huge factor into this series as it does. I honestly don't see why the writer's have to make BW start this September really.

I don't get why they rush it though. I mean, you had like 99999999 useless episodes (more useless than trying to glue something to the ocean) and then you just get a nod and run away to fairy land. And they have not confirmed the anime for BW starts september. I believe there's going to be a quick BF saga. Which I don't mind really. GO KETCHUM RAPE THORTON AND LET ME SHIP YOU TWO <3

Seriously, I don't know about y'all, but I would have been totally fine with Sinnoh ending in 2011, for some extra League and Grand Festival episodes.
Dear god no. Sinnoh was the worse season of pokemon, imo. Just barely beating out Johto. Too many fillers. Too many screen time. Kinda ripped off AG, and the oringinal series. Dawn wasn't interesting imo. Satoshi was stupid to love, and people are still claiming him x an oddish is canon. And Brock is stale. Sinnoh was hardly a good season. *builds a giant igloo of steel* I need protection :x

Promotion is good for money, yes, but I really do wish the writers didn't base it on that mostly. It sucks that characters have to suffer, especially the main characters and their rivals, just to hurry up and promote the games.
Again, BW has not been confirmed for September. I'm still insistent on the BF saga. It's going to be really quick, I predict BW making landfall around 2011 the beginning. Because when AG ended, they wait for two or more hours just for DPP. I am sure the games will sell fine on their own, anyways. Have you seen the graphics? It's almost like eye-porn, it's so beautiful!!! Half of the posts of BW are them gushing over the graphics anyways.

I love the show and the games, moreso the show. But still, releasing the games next year, while finishing the saga this year nice and detailed is not a bad thing.
In this case it is. The endless fillers have riled many people that have been faithful to the show since day one. I am glad they're moving it on because Sinnoh just wasn't interesting. Especially with the 2.o's/expies exsisting EVERYWHERE.

Main characters like Misty, May, and even Dawn have tremendous fanbases and it is understandable why so many get up set with the replacements.
Of course. :X Many people are still angry Misty/May left. Haha. I would enjoy a Chronicles. :x

I believe I will always watch and love Pokemon, but this whole promotion thing has gotta stop or at least be toned down.
For more pointless fillers of people running amok through a season that barely kept people awake? If you wish. |: Again, BW has not been confirmed (or at least to my knowledge).

If that's not Johto promotion, I don't know what is. But I love Johto, that wasn't an issue. It sucks we have to get a rushed League, and a rushed Grand Festival because of it in general.
So if you like it it's not an issue? So promoting GSDS is okay, yet promoting BW is not? That's odd. . .but I think it's just that they want the Region itself to end. |:

Dawn came in 2nd yes, but the only full battle we saw her win was against Ursula, which we've seen twice before. The writers could have at least made Dawn vs Jessie be longer, especially considering they were both main characters, and Dawn didn't end up winning the whole thing to make up for these rushed battles.
I would love for the arcs to be longer, but I think we should have sacrificed the fillers. But Dawn shouldn't have won anyways. That would have been so awkward. She lost two appeals in a row, and now she wins a GF? It would have been obvious that she would have lost.

I'm not bitter or angry, but the whole promotion ordeal is my only critique with this show.
As I stated before, the BF saga will be on the way, and that'll be in Johto. But if you want to be angry at anything, be angry at the endless pile of fillers that exsisted throughout this region!

It took us one year to get to one gym, those episodes would have been used for the GF. But they selected on making dronless clones of fillers that resembled AG/Kanto/Johto/OI.
 

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Why of course, if long, difficult and challenging meant more fillers then you can imagine. :x It took them a year to get to a freaking Gym. JUST ONE GYM.

However, I'd love it better if they took away the loads and loads of fillers and added in more time to the plots that really matter.

There really haven't been all that many fillers though. Yes, it took forver between gyms, but there were lots of plot episodes in between.

And they have not confirmed the anime for BW starts september.

Yes they have.
 

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I agree with the Lady in regards that we should have gotten a Battle Frontier arc this series because then we could see the Frontier Brains who looked like they could have been good characters. But I disagree with it being in Johto because the most logical place to put it would be in the Battle Zone.
 

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I don't think will have time for a filler arc after the league.
Didn't they say the games and series would start in September?
I just don't see it happing, unless it was a real quick one, like a three episode type arc. But, they have to have episodes that end the series, if Dawn does leave *Which I hope doesn't happen* Than they'll need to give her a good, good-bye. Not a fast one like May got, I'm hopping with the negative feedback that got that the owners of Pokemon got tought some thing there.
 

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If it's just Ash, B/W girl, and Brock next season.........ugh.
 
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