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The general Pokemon League / end of Sinnoh / Generation V thread

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Doing the same trick three times gets old, if they are going to replace Dawn then it shouldn't be with another coordinator, but a completely differant sidequest.
 

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Doing the same trick three times gets old, if they are going to replace Dawn then it shouldn't be with another coordinator, but a completely differant sidequest.

Which is what I've always said is the most likely. Contests are on their way out, BW girl will have a new quest.
 

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Which is what I've always said is the most likely. Contests are on their way out, BW girl will have a new quest.

Know what Scott? I hope you're right... I like contests and all (more then gym battles... *shot*) but new side quests and stuff would be more interesting...
 

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What are you talking about? Both May and Dawn got tons of character development and changed a lot since their first ep until they left the main cast...
I actually like the idea of Ash staying the permament star and the girl star changing every gen to another new Coordinator

Dawn proved it's possible to make a new character with the same goal as an old character and make the new character different enough from the old and just as good as the old one if not better

So while I'm really going to miss Dawn and would make her stay if that was up to me - I'm going to enjoy BW girl and assuming she's a Coordinator, I'll enjoy her Contests too and can't wait to see her own different take on Contests


Ok, yes the girl get character developement.
That's not what I was talking about. I meant we never see them go far.
We see how they've been in cameo's and that's all.
I'd like to see a girl main character stay and actually see there contest skills develope more, not just till the end of the series.
I'd like to see them pull a Rabbit out of a hat one more time.
I don't think they could come up with another fun story for newbie girl.
With a different side quest it'd be fine.
 

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I guess it mystifies me how Dawn got more popular than May, but I guess it's true.

They did hype Dawn more (giving her a poster with just her as the only human character, to advertise D&P). They also gave her more screentime than May, giving her nearly the whole first episode of D&P to herself while they didn't give May that much in the first AG episode. That had to have helped things, to some extent.

If the new region has it's own side quest, contests would clash with it, if it isn't already contests. We just can't tell, and that still presents an admittedly small chance of it happening. Let me ask you one last thing, though: Do you bet on the one in a hundred or more chance?

(I'm not betting on it, and) I don't think contests would necessarilly clash with the new quest, or that it's even close to that small of a chance.
 
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I guess it mystifies me how Dawn got more popular than May, but I guess it's true.
I think most of it has to do with the fact that Haruka got a lot of slack for bing the replacement of Kasumi. Many fans, including myself (at the time), were embittered by her appearance. Most people compared her to what they missed about the earlier days of Misty.

Some of the same people who disliked May were happy that she was leaving as it meant, in their opinion, that she wasn't able to hold the show up like Misty so not only with Dawn having much more screen time, being almost a female equivalent to Ash, but people were much more receptive to her coming than May's.

I like May now... But this is why I believe Dawn is much more popular.
 

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I would ask if Ash's relationship with Dawn is stronger than it was with May, but thinking about it, yes, it could be seen that way. The two quests of Ash and May couldn't have been more separated from each other. The only time they ever shared anything that I recall was the final contest in all of AG, in which they both participated and tied. For Dawn, it's much deeper. They learned from each other, Ash putting a contest flair into his battle style, and Dawn using Ash's moves in a contest. Ash once again participated in a contest, but was eliminated rather easily. Ok, that is not an issue, this friendship really is stronger than the previous one. Strong enough for her to follow him wherever he goes? Is this even what the writers consider? I would think their prime directive is to promote Gamefreak's material in the manner in which they dictate. Without a full perspective on what they plan, I cannot answer this question. We have already seen that even the plot, no matter how crucial, bends to the will of Gamefreak, otherwise we could've been in Sinnoh for a lot longer than it is looking right now.
 

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Ok, that is not an issue, this friendship really is stronger than the previous one. Strong enough for her to follow him wherever he goes? Is this even what the writers consider?

I'm guessing that if Dawn goes to Isshu with Ash, it'd be because she'd find out that contests are there and she'd be, "Hey, I can do contests in this new region and travel with Ash more." I don't think there'd be too much emphasis on, "YES! WE'LL GET TO TRAVEL TOGETHER SOME MORE! YAAAAAAAAAY! I'M GLAD BECAUSE I'D DIE WITHOUT TRAVELING WITH YOU MORE!" Personally, if Dawn stays, I don't care how much emphasis is put on their bond, but I don't see the writers having Dawn and Ash sticking around together simply because of their strong friendship.

Of course, the writers could ignore the bond they have and have Dawn do something else. Go to the region Zoey wants to go, or Kenny, or someone else, perhaps...

I would think their prime directive is to promote Gamefreak's material in the manner in which they dictate. Without a full perspective on what they plan, I cannot answer this question. We have already seen that even the plot, no matter how crucial, bends to the will of Gamefreak, otherwise we could've been in Sinnoh for a lot longer than it is looking right now.

As much as I agree, I do have to say that (well I don't have to say it, but...) I don't see Sinnoh being any longer than it already will be. If anything, I think Sinnoh would've been shorter (with room for another arc) if the writers knew that the 5th gen games would come in, like, 2011 or later.
 

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i'm starting to think that they won't repeat what they did for the past seasons.

ash will probably not even know about isshu and go there accidentally. team rocket could steal pikachu and hop onto a blimp or something that goes to the new region. from there, ash calls his mother and professor oak and all and tells them that he's in isshu and... yeah x_x. he starts a new adventure there.

plus, the fact that ash's pokémon are all coming to the sinnoh league perhaps hints that he won't be going back to pallet town. idk.

maybe professor oak, ash's mom, misty, etc. could all be at the sinnoh league so that he doesn't go back to kanto. then, that's when team rocket would steal pikachu... and ash would run off and go to isshu. ... :x without brock&dawn. :D :D :D
 

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I think most of it has to do with the fact that Haruka got a lot of slack for bing the replacement of Kasumi. Many fans, including myself (at the time), were embittered by her appearance. Most people compared her to what they missed about the earlier days of Misty.

You mean a vocal minority? The most popular part of AG was in-fact May's contests episodes. It didn't take long at all for May to be prefered over Misty, as Contests became a hit almost as soon as the first two or so aired. Contests were in the height of their popularity when May was doing them, or else the writers would have done away with them after Hoenn finished.

I was in the fandom when AG was airing and May was tremendously popular on every forum I visited at the time. To say May was well-received over Misty is an understatement, the writers went on to make Contests a staple of the series in two following sagas and bring May back to the show in every saga after Hoenn.

I understand you're speaking for yourself, but as someone who was in the fandom when AG was airing, May and Contests were by far more popular at the time than most stuff prior.

And lol, Dawn's contests aren't as popular overall as May's were. I don't know where you got that idea from, people have been complaining about Contests and Dawn's "boring rivals" in DP far more than anything in AG. Contests have definitely waned in popularity as the show progressed and Dawn's arc didn't even have half the hype or fan following May's did. Dawn's a popular character, but her arc simply didn't make the impact on the series the original Contests did. Zoey and Kenny (lol) weren't anywhere near as popular as Drew and ESPECIALLY Harley as well.
 
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Gilscor, you really need to stop using the forums as a barometer of true popularity, because it isn't accurate what so ever.
 

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Gilscor, you really need to stop using the forums as a barometer of true popularity, because it isn't accurate what so ever.

I'm not. But I know from being in the fandom for like 8 years now that Contests had a far bigger fan following when May was doing them than when DP started. When AG was airing Contests literally became the surprise smash-hit of the show. Every AG coordinator was incredibly popular and well-received, whereas the DP coordinators received mixed opinions.

Little kids in Japan now probably weren't around for AG, but that point is moot as kids from the next arc won't have been around for DP either.
 

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i found may's arrival very refreshing.

as i said many times before in other threads, contests were a lot better back then. the hoenn saga was by far the BEST saga ever. they introduced contests, they shook up the cast, they introduced may and max, they made brock capture more *vivid* pokémon... so much awesome stuff happened.

sinnoh has basically become the new johto. boring and long. when "hoenn alone!" aired, i was like, "finally! a new cast, a new region... a whole new experience."

and now, i feel the same way towards sinnoh. i can't wait for the final episode ._.! i really want something innovative next season. :/
 

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I liked DP, and anyway you could skip around now that the saga is over and just watch the better episodes.

DP did get de-railed by HGSS.
 

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I'm not. But I know from being in the fandom for like 8 years now that Contests had a far bigger fan following when May was doing them than when DP started. When AG was airing Contests literally became the surprise smash-hit of the show.

Little kids in Japan now probably weren't around for AG, but that point is moot as kids from the next arc won't have been around for DP either.

And you have proof of this? You don't, this is text book blanket statement. Contest's popularity most likely has waned on the forums, I have no doubt about that. But there is no evidence that it has gone down with the target audience what so ever.
 

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And you have proof of this? You don't, this is text book blanket statement. Contest's popularity most likely has waned on the forums, I have no doubt about that. But there is no evidence that it has gone down with the target audience what so ever.

The target audience changes every 4-5 years. As I said, little kids watching DP now have likely never seen May's Contests.

Its hard to bother with little kids when they cycle out every 4-5 years.
 

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The target audience changes every 4-5 years. As I said, little kids watching DP now have likely never seen May's Contests.

Its hard to bother with little kids when they cycle out every 4-5 years.

When it comes to what is popular with this show, yes little kids are very important, more so then any of us on the boards. Fans on the boards tend to hate Piplup, but the little kids love him. You shouldn't make sweeping generalization with the forums as evidence, because it is inaccurate of the thoughts of the true majority,(the littles kids).
 

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That is true. But if we're going to go by that, it doesn't matter at all who is on the show, as long as it's about pokemon.
 

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When it comes to what is popular with this show, yes little kids are very important, more so then any of us on the boards. Fans on the boards tend to hate Piplup, but the little kids love him. You shouldn't make sweeping generalization with the forums as evidence, because it is inaccurate of the thoughts of the true majority,(the littles kids).

That is true, but I doubt there's much difference. I believe Dawn got popular with kids due to Piplup, but May and her Contests made the far bigger impact overall.

The problem is some people who just got back into pokemon recently think Contests are "new" and "fresh," whereas the rest of us who were watching for years feel they've gotten stale.

I liked Dawn's contest arc, but I seriously cannot see how this set of coordinators made the impact the AG ones did. Its been over 4 years since AG ended and people constantly compared Dawn to May all throughout DP, and Zoey and Kenny never really became as popular as other rivals.
 

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That is true, but I doubt there's much difference. I believe Dawn got popular with kids due to Piplup, but May and her Contests made the far bigger impact overall.

The problem is some people who just got back into pokemon recently think Contests are "new" and "fresh," whereas the rest of us who were watching for years feel they've gotten stale.

I liked Dawn's contest arc, but I seriously cannot see how this set of coordinators made the impact the AG ones did. Its been over 4 years since AG ended and people constantly compared Dawn to May all throughout DP, and Zoey and Kenny never really became as popular as other rivals.

Again, your still using the forums as the barometer.

Anyway, I think May had the biggest breakthrough in a way because she was the first female to actually have an intresting sidequest, but I think Dawn overall had a bigger impact on the company in general. Since, she became the first female to approach Ash's level of stardom and that was unheard of even with May's introduction.
 
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