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The general Pokemon League / end of Sinnoh / Generation V thread

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Who says gym battles are a big hit. People tune in to see characters develop in different ways. They could be skipping ropes instead, but if the writing is good it will become popular.

Who says gym battles are a big hit? What do you think the building blocks of the show is... So lets say this is the last league, Ash defeats the Elite 4, then next generation the main quest is about contests, and we just obliterate gym battles all together. Dawn becomes the main character and Ash can become another Brock...
 

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lol if they try and do all three i can see a lot of dangerous juggling happening. also we'd have a pretty darn long story arc.

Yeah, but we already have a long story arc with two quests. If there were three quests in the show, some of the episodes that would've been fillers could be devoted to the third quest.
 

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Yeah, but we already have a long story arc with two quests. If there were three quests in the show, some of the episodes that would've been fillers could be devoted to the third quest.

Aww but I like some of those. It gives me a break once in awhile, brings me down to earth. If every episode would be Bam Pow, it would take away the true meaning of enjoying and waiting for those big episodes to come. I guess what i'm saying is if (nearly) every episode was a gym battle/contest/*insert-new-thing, then it'd be less special.
 

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Aww but I like some of those. It gives me a break once in awhile, brings me down to earth. If every episode would be Bam Pow, it would take away the true meaning of enjoying and waiting for those big episodes to come. I guess what i'm saying is if (nearly) every episode was a gym battle/contest/*insert-new-thing, then it'd be less special.

I get your point, but like I said, only some of the potential fillers would be gone. There could still be episodes like, say, the Hoenn one where Torchic evolved, where it was a comedy-filled episode that had Torchic evolve in it.

I guess what would make things easier is if the writers scattered the filler episodes evenly with the rest of the episodes. Also, if they had evolutions during the gyms/contests/whatever, that would save potential evolution episodes and give more filler ones.

Personally though, I'd be fine with less fillers, but I don't think fillers themselves are automatically bad. (In fact, I hate it when a new episode title is revealed and people automatically consider it a filler and consider it as not special. =P)
 

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They could have a bit of episodes devoted to fillers.
It'd just be a bit less with three quests.
I mean, each series seems to get longer and longer, I can see this.
 

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If there were three quests, should there be groups of fillers in a row, or should they be (at least for the most part) spread out individually?
 

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I get your point, but like I said, only some of the potential fillers would be gone. There could still be episodes like, say, the Hoenn one where Torchic evolved, where it was a comedy-filled episode that had Torchic evolve in it.

I guess what would make things easier is if the writers scattered the filler episodes evenly with the rest of the episodes. Also, if they had evolutions during the gyms/contests/whatever, that would save potential evolution episodes and give more filler ones.

Personally though, I'd be fine with less fillers, but I don't think fillers themselves are automatically bad. (In fact, I hate it when a new episode title is revealed and people automatically consider it a filler and consider it as not special. =P)

Yea if they scattered them efficiently then i'd be satisfied.

They could have a bit of episodes devoted to fillers.
It'd just be a bit less with three quests.
I mean, each series seems to get longer and longer, I can see this.

yeahh i wouldn't really be surprised either. i wouldn't really be surprised either way, i guess this is an unsurprisable moment for me lol. so question, if they keep contests next generation, how would you change them? or would you not change them?

If there were three quests, should there be groups of fillers in a row, or should they be (at least for the most part) spread out individually?
HAHAHA, well the first thing i thought was "well i'd like groups of fillers scattered." then that goes back to my "oh crap we're going to have 500 episodes this next arc."
 

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You mean a vocal minority? The most popular part of AG was in-fact May's contests episodes.

Vocal minority?Not exactly,i havd been present around that time and in first few weeks May received quite alot of hate and undeserved bashing.Misty was and still is hugely popular,with many people being upset when she was taken out(much more than they were for other characters)with demand for her return being pesent to this day going big,which caused aswell certain drop in TV ratings around that time.

misty was pretty even, you know. she just didn't have anything to do.

Actually from what i noticd i consider how Misty left bigger impact on pokemon series than May or Dawn did(not in storyline sene in case someone misunderstands).She is one of most popular chracters,with many people wanting hr back which you can encounter on pretty much every forum,all kind of petitions(one has almost 30,000 signatures),and same goes for people outside the net(talking from my personal experience).

While its true how she wasnt focusede on to same extent like other two girls was,she still contibuted alot for this show having hr share of achivements.It just happens writers werent experience enough back than not fousing more on her.

also, the show gets more viewers each year, so the b/w girl will be as popular as the previous girls.

THat isnt completerly true,seeing how TV ratings arent as big like they were in golden years of pokemon.

Misty was still only around for 5 years, looking back now in retrospect she wasn't even in the series all that long. It was less than half it run.

And yet she had the longest run out of all females so far,reaching iconic status making this show worldwide popular with Ash and Brock.

I really think that contests are going to be sticking around for the long run and that the writers will make it a pattern of having the new girl every generation become the coordinator.

Hopefully not,getting thired coordinator in a row is extremely repetitive,and i dont see a point in new female coming in just to do same thing which Dawn does,.In that case better keep Dawn or even better introduce something else for a change which next girl could do.

All this girl replacing should stop,giving chance to older females to shine who has more than enough material to work with.
 

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Pokemon fan not to be rude but could you please go one post withough mentioning Misty. The fact is argueing with Scott is gonna get you nowhere so its best to just drop it and move on. You dont need to jump to Misty's defense everytime someone bad mouths her. Just let it go and let them have their opinion.

Anyway I really hope Ash manages to at least take down the legendary even if he ultimately falls against one of the trainer's other pokemon
 

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Hopefully not,getting thired coordinator in a row is extremely repetitive,and i dont see a point in new female coming in just to do same thing which Dawn does,.In that case better keep Dawn or even better introduce something else for a change which next girl could do.

All this girl replacing should stop,giving chance to older females to shine who has more than enough material to work with.

i pretty much agree to that. i think if contests stay, if we get yet another girl coordinator on the show i might blow a fuse. repeptitiveness needs to hault. i just don't want to see that story again.

Anyway I really hope Ash manages to at least take down the legendary even if he ultimately falls against one of the trainer's other pokemon

i still think he could win.. i just wonder what legendary would be used.
 

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I hope it's Mew. <3

I also hope that contests remain. I do NOT want a new contest girl/boy though. I want it to be Dawn. We don't need another "omg I suck, owait I'm actually good" person like May and Dawn both.
 

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Anyway I really hope Ash manages to at least take down the legendary even if he ultimately falls against one of the trainer's other pokemon

It depends on what the legendary is. If this is a legendary from this generation than yeah Ash should beat it because I think he has encountered all of them at least once (if the movies count). If its one from BW than maybe not because it will be one he hasn't met before and doesn't what its weaknesses or strengths are.
 

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It depends on what the legendary is. If this is a legendary from this generation than yeah Ash should beat it because I think he has encountered all of them at least once (if the movies count). If its one from BW than maybe not because it will be one he hasn't met before and doesn't what its weaknesses or strengths are.

i myself think it'll be a legendary that is already known. if they all the sudden took a genV legendary in i'd percieve it as weak, because they are supposed to have a realm of mystery, and are wanted by criminals and crap. and since each generation (should) have more powerful legendaries each generation, why would they show it show it for the first time being controlled by a trainer? IMO.
 

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There is no need for legends to trump those of the generation before. I mean nothing surpassed Mewtwo until this generation. But I do agree that having the legendary be one from BW would kinda set a bad precedent. Even if it were to beat Ash, having it be able to have been captured by a trainer would make it seem weaker. Maybe a Lati, I fell like that would be really interesting.
 

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There is no need for legends to trump those of the generation before. I mean nothing surpassed Mewtwo until this generation. But I do agree that having the legendary be one from BW would kinda set a bad precedent. Even if it were to beat Ash, having it be able to have been captured by a trainer would make it seem weaker. Maybe a Lati, I fell like that would be really interesting.

Lol exactly. See, kindof like during BF how he caught all of the golems. I was kindof like, "ok, awesome. now i think they suck. they lost that cool, powerful, don't want to mess with me feel." a Lati would be nice. i'm going with raikou, or cresselia. or something homo like another shaymin/manaphy/phione. i'd be disappointed with that though...
 

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If you count Jessie's contests, the unofficial contest, the contest in movie 10 and the Salvia contest... you get roughly the same amount. Plus there were about as many contest episodes in both saga, except DP had more training episodes...

Jessie only got two extra contests, both of which got less than a minute of screentime, which were her 2nd and 4th ribbon win. That's not Dawn's screentime either.

I counted the unofficial Aipom contest as part of Dawn's "11 contests." If I didn't she would only have 10 contests.

I agree DP had more contest training episodes, and that's the only reason it seems Contests got more screentime. Also most of Dawn's contests were only 1 part I've noticed, except for the first, last and Wallace cup contests.

May got far more Contest screentime, a lot of her Contests especially in Hoenn were also 2-parters. If you combine both GF's she had 6-episodes of Grand Festival screentime. If you count May's appearance in the Wallace Cup, that's even moreso.

Dawn did more battling in other aspects like the tag battle arc, and so forth though of course.

Most of May's rivals were COTD who never appeared again... that proves nothing Scott.

The writers weren't trying to make them major characters though. And Nando seemed more like Zoey and Ash's rival than Dawn's anyway.
 

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I hope it's Mew. <3

I also hope that contests remain. I do NOT want a new contest girl/boy though. I want it to be Dawn. We don't need another "omg I suck, owait I'm actually good" person like May and Dawn both.

Yes I was thinking of Mew too. Maybe Nando gets him, the harp he has could be a hint or it could be nothing. Anyway I agree if contests say they gotta stop this girl replacement its getting boring, either keep Dawn or a new sidequest; still prefer keeping Dawn, its gonna be sometime since a character can achieve the same commercial success she and Piplup had.

Edit: Three quests would be great, for that they could just scatter fillers more and more offen, and I wouldnt mind that the group became a 4 persons group, with maybe Ash Dawn Brock/Someone else or new Girl/Boy.
 

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Which is what I've always said is the most likely. Contests are on their way out, BW girl will have a new quest.

This has no basis at all... the writers constantly prove you wrong so I expect them to continue to do so
BW girl will probably be a Coordinator - but still be different than the previous ones (as Dawn proved is possible)

DP did get de-railed by HGSS.

You mean it got better thanks to HGSS

The target audience changes every 4-5 years. As I said, little kids watching DP now have likely never seen May's Contests.

With this logic, they won't mind a third Coordinator in a row... I hope you realize this

That is true, but I doubt there's much difference. I believe Dawn got popular with kids due to Piplup, but May and her Contests made the far bigger impact overall.

"bigger impact"? Dawn got more focus and screen time in the show... each of them contibuted a lot, it's no competition to see who did more for the show =\
The new character will be popular and loved just as the other girls were

the rest of us who were watching for years feel they've gotten stale.

Speak for yourself, me and a lot of others here love Contests and want them to stay

I liked Dawn's contest arc, but I seriously cannot see how this set of coordinators made the impact the AG ones did. Its been over 4 years since AG ended and people constantly compared Dawn to May all throughout DP, and Zoey and Kenny never really became as popular as other rivals.

You're talking about some fans on the internet... the target audience probably liked them equally

it seems like May got more Contests than Dawn overall, even if Dawn got to star in more episodes.

And how that matters?...

Makes me wonder where people got the idea Contests got more promotion in DP than AG.

The main character is a Coordinator from the very beginning
The main character's mother is a Top Coordinator
The main character is constantly training for Contests, making new combinations for Contests, talking about Contests (even in the Hippopotas ep she talked about Contests out of sleep...)
All the 32532 mentions of Contest wins on TV and similar stuff...
Contets being mentioned in movies (Gyms were never mentioned, only when 4Kids changed lines) and a Contest actually taking place in a movie
Ash actually taking hints from Contests to his Gym Battles regularely and always doing great thanks to this
Contests did get much more focus in DP...

Also most of Dawn's contests were only 1 part I've noticed, except for the first, last and Wallace cup contests.

The second Contest (Floaroma) was 2 eps
The Solaceon Contest got a set up ep, even if the Contest didn't actually start in it (Dawn met her rival, decided which Poké to use, said Poké learned a new attack and evolved...)

The writers weren't trying to make them major characters though. And Nando seemed more like Zoey and Ash's rival than Dawn's anyway.

Zoey appeared about as much as Paul did... and she influenced Dawn a lot... how is she not a "major character"?
Kenny and Ursula were like the Barry of Dawn... Zoey was the Paul

I really think it's ridiculous to complain Dawn got friendly rivals - it fitted her story perfectly
If she'd get rivals similar to May's, people would complain and call her a May clone... there's no escape =\
I think they did great job with Dawn's rivals: they fit her story and they're different than the usual... also, after Dawn got out of her confident problems we got the more mean rival Ursula... so again I think that proves the reason her rivals up to that point were most friendly is because they were more fitting for Dawn's story - she needed friends to talk with instead of relying on her mother, she needed friends to support her after her loses, she needed a mentor to tell her what she did wrong...
Really, just stop complaining about everything and enjoy the show for what it is =\
 

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LOL Scott you keep complaining and driving yourself in Gliscor fantasies; you really need to racionalize how storylines work and view the commercial side of this.
Heck this its just like wwe for pete's sake; the storylines work the same way.
And please, the writers care more of the general target audience (japanese kids) in Japan, not of us who are the minority that speculate in this forums.
 

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Speak for yourself, me and a lot of others here love Contests and want them to stay

The company realizes that's what many kiddies feel like as well. So they are likely to sacrifice Brock so Dawn can stay and do some Contests.
The new BW girl/boy will promote the new features from the game and they won't be co-stars like Ash and Dawn.
 
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