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The general Pokemon League / end of Sinnoh / Generation V thread

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Might I ask you why they made the Pokeathlon instead of putting a Contest Dome in Johto, then?
 

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The company realizes that's what many kiddies feel like as well. So they are likely to sacrifice Brock so Dawn can stay and do some Contests.
The new BW girl/boy will promote the new features from the game and they won't be co-stars like Ash and Dawn.

Because of those reasons I think they're gonna make Ash the representative of gyms, Dawn the representative of Contests and the BW Girl/Boy the representative of the new sidequest/feature from BW. Now I dont know if BW Girl/Boy will be in the group or not. They could be co-stars and they couldnt.
 

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Well, the Pokeathlon could be Gamefreak trying out something new as a side quest. It could also just be a one-off deal. Junichi Masuda once said he wants to try putting more action elements in pokemon. The Pokeathlon would seem to be a step in that direction. I can also see the importance of Contests and that they were marketed towards the female players. (as cliched as that is, it's true) I know a lot of female Pokemon players, and not one of them care too much about contests, though. Will eliminating contests alienate the female demographic? I don't have the statistics to say. From what I know, females liked to play pokemon without the need for contests, so it's all moot to me.
 

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I'm still wondering what the next group is gonna be. I really don't want Brock back, he needs to retire. Ash is obviously staying, and the BW girl might travel with him too.
 

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Well, the Pokeathlon could be Gamefreak trying out something new as a side quest. It could also just be a one-off deal. Junichi Masuda once said he wants to try putting more action elements in pokemon. The Pokeathlon would seem to be a step in that direction. I can also see the importance of Contests and that they were marketed towards the female players. (as cliched as that is, it's true) I know a lot of female Pokemon players, and not one of them care too much about contests, though. Will eliminating contests alienate the female demographic? I don't have the statistics to say. From what I know, females liked to play pokemon without the need for contests, so it's all moot to me.

Pish Posh. Pokemon without glitter and glamour and costumes and rainbows? When has that ever happened... *thinks*
 

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The company realizes that's what many kiddies feel like as well. So they are likely to sacrifice Brock so Dawn can stay and do some Contests.

Except that writers dont cater to fan wishes.They follow directives from Gamefreak and Nintendo,at same time having obligation to promote new elments from games,aswell pokemon.
Sure they are allowed to go off route to certain extent doing anime only things,differentiating a bit from games but in end this show is nothing but a big tool to advertize games.

Doesnt mean how new characters will for sure join main cast though,with writers perhaps wanting to change a bit this rather predictable formula.

Will eliminating contests alienate the female demographic? I don't have the statistics to say. From what I know, females liked to play pokemon without the need for contests, so it's all moot to me.

I hardly doubt that removal of contests would polute undesired side effect of female audience leaving this show.
Girls watched this show and liked it long before contests even existed,many of them dont even like them and if something new comes in as long as next female gets good amount of screentime and something to do they wont mind.Speaking of games,compared to anime contests arent as nearly as important in that media.
Hipothetically speaking even if contests gets replaced,i have no doubts how they wont be written of completely with anime providing some references to them.
 

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They do cater to their fans, just not the older ones which everyone seem not to understand.
 

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They do cater to their fans, just not the older ones which everyone seem not to understand.

Older fans who grewed up with original or Advance series were target audience back than aswell,but their wishes as expected werent granted with writers following their plans doing what they want.
 

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They do cater to their fans, just not the older ones which everyone seem not to understand.

Little girls aren't going to cry if they got rid of contests. I myself have two sisters. They won't think it is the end of the world if they changed to Pokethlon, or better yet, something brand new. Little kids like new things. It isn't totally impossible that Dawn and contests couldn't die out like any other aspect. It is not impossible that any other side quest wouldn't be a big hit if they put their noggin into it. It happens to be their job to think of new and creative ways to promote things. Not to mention many girls played the video games/ watched the anime without contests. Actually, I think Pokemon probably brought in more viewers back in its prime. I wish I had some hard evidence or a poll, but I don't. Sorry. Not to mention when most girls play the games, I doubt all they think about is CONTESTS CONTESTS CONTESTS. No. They like the normal shit as much as the next guy. They would think the same if they got a brand new thing out there. New things aren't the devil.

EDIT And the whole "Don't fix what is not broken" line. Doesn't work in television/films/showbusiness. At all. Or else They would've made a million remakes of Titanic since it was such a big hit.
 

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Little girls aren't going to cry if they got rid of contests. I myself have two sisters. They won't think it is the end of the world if they changed to Pokethlon, or better yet, something brand new. Little kids like new things. It isn't totally impossible that Dawn and contests couldn't die out like any other aspect. It is not impossible that any other side quest wouldn't be a big hit if they put their noggin into it. It happens to be their job to think of new and creative ways to promote things. Not to mention many girls played the video games/ watched the anime without contests. Actually, I think Pokemon probably brought in more viewers back in its prime. I wish I had some hard evidence or a poll, but I don't. Sorry. Not to mention when most girls play the games, I doubt all they think about is CONTESTS CONTESTS CONTESTS. No. They like the normal shit as much as the next guy. They would think the same if they got a brand new thing out there. New things aren't the devil.

Quoted for thruth,whatever new games throw at both boys and girls,they will accept it just as they did contests or anything else being introuced in this show.

And your right back than during 90s,pokemon anime had bigger TV ratings than new series.Of course its not to expect that popularity of pokemon is the same like it was in prime time,but there were also other side effects which caused certain drop in them.While new fans are supposed to fill up empty places older fans leave open,in end pokemon will probably never reach status of popularity it had its in "golden years".
 

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Quoted for thruth,whatever new games throw at both boys and girls,they will accept it just as they did contests or anything else being introuced in this show.

And your right back than during 90s,pokemon anime had bigger TV ratings than new series.Of course its not to expect that popularity of pokemon is the same like it was in prime time,but there were also other side effects which caused certain drop in them.While new fans are supposed to fill up empty places older fans leave open,in end pokemon will probably never reach status of popularity it had its in "golden years".

I know I definitely won't care. I'll be watching it all the same. I know I wouldn't have cared when I was 10. Actually I would have cared even less then I do now. Back then it was all about "Oh Ash is going to a new region, awesome, I wonder what'll be new here."
 

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Older fans who grewed up with original or Advance series were target audience back than aswell,but their wishes as expected werent granted with writers following their plans doing what they want.

How were there wishes not granted?
 

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How were there wishes not granted?

Let see,people wanted back than that Misty or May stays,that Brock leaves,that GS ball gets resolution,etc.When these girls were replaced,during that time when it was still fresh with older audience being the one which matters their desire of said characters bein brought back never happened with writers not paying attention to their complaints.

These kind of complaints werent only present in these days.
 

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Let see,people wanted back than that Misty or May stays,that Brock leaves,that GS ball gets resolution,etc.When these girls were replaced,during that time when it was still fresh with older audience being the one which matters their desire of said characters bein brought back never happened with writers not paying attention to their complaints.

These kind of complaints werent only present in these days.

Yet, they brought Brock back after they realized people liked him after the Orange Island. And I bet if May hadn't turned into a success, they would have brought Misty back, those are calculated risks that payed off or didn't pay off. And the GS ball, they dropped the it because of Movie 4, and there wasn't all that much of an outcry.
 
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Yet, they brought Brock back after they realized people liked him after the Orange Island. And I bet if May hadn't turned into a success, they would have brought Misty back, those are calculated risks that payed off or didn't pay off. And the GS ball, they dropped the it because of Movie 4, and there wasn't all that much of an outcry.

Yes but it wasnt because of people demand,it just happens writers acknowledgede Brock was popular and seeing how he didnt present any "racial issue" they gaved him another shot.
Speaking of Misty,they could have bring May and keep her but point is writers dont generally listen to fans wishes.Same goes for May,when Dawn came in.People wanted that she stays(though to much smaller extentn than it was case with first girl)but it didnt happened.
Not to mention complaints how Brock should leave were very active during hoenn too,not only now in DP.
 

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Yes but it wasnt because of people demand,it just happens writers acknowledgede Brock was popular and seeing how he didnt present any "racial issue" they gaved him another shot.
Speaking of Misty,they could have bring May and keep her but point is writers dont generally listen to fans wishes.Same goes for May,when Dawn came in.People wanted that she stays(though to much smaller extentn than it was case with first girl)but it didnt happened.
Not to mention complaints how Brock should leave were very active during hoenn too,not only now in DP.

You do realize they don't listen to the MINORITY.
 

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You do realize they don't listen to the MINORITY.

As i said older fans are now minority,but back than when they were target audience about half of fanbase was for Mistys return(complaints were all over the place,petitions had thousands of signatures,and who knows what else,and they still are).You probably wasnt present back than when this was happening but this move caused quite a backlash.Talking abou Brock all i see are complaints how he should leave show since Hoenn,and they arent very small either.
Im not talking only about internet,but my real life experiences aswell and those from others i had opportunity to meet.

Now i see people wanting that Dawn stays(in much bigger measure than they did for May),but will this guarantee her staying just because fans want it?Not really,with writers having main word in it.

Thats the thing here,we speculate what might happen but in majority of cases our predictions turn out to be false.Fans create patterns,judging some things by past,whil writers break them causing shock among them.
They do what they want to do,at same time doing their share of obligations they have toward games and new features.

Does that mean how we will inevitably get another revamp similar to previous ones?Not necessarily,but at this point due to lack of official info anything is possible.

Talking about info we know,the only thing which is certain is how Ash will fight with some legendary trainer,and probably lose.
And when it comes to Brock,statement about finding "new dream" can be annmotateed in two ways.One being his departure tp pursue new thing,or staying in group doing something different.
 
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As i said older fans are now minority,but back than when they were target audience about half of fanbase was for Mistys return(complaints were all over the place,petitions had thousands of signatures,and who knows what else,and they still are).You probably wasnt present back than when this was happening but this move caused quite a backlash.Talking abou Brock all i see are complaints how he should leave show since Hoenn,and they arent very small either.
Im not talking only about internet,but my real life experiences aswell and those from others i had opportunity to meet.

Now i see people wanting that Dawn stays(in much bigger measure than they did for May),but will this guarantee her staying just because fans want it?Not really,with writers having main word in it.

Do you really think 4-10 years old were setting up petitions, I really doubt that. Most of the outcry from Misty's depature came from the forum, which ironically consist of people oever 13. I am still puzzled why some people don't see this, people on the forums who complain about depatures are a small percentage of the actually fanbase, using the forum as a barometer of the true feelings of the fanbase is inaccurate.
 

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Do you really think 4-10 years old were setting up petitions, I really doubt that. Most of the outcry from Misty's depature came from the forum, which ironically consist of people oever 13. I am still puzzled why some people don't see this, people on the forums who complain about depatures are a small percentage of the actually fanbase, using the forum as a barometer of the true feelings of the fanbase is inaccurate.

Its not only forums,im talking about things which occured outside of them too.Not to mention this move caused that certain group of people leaves this show causing drop in ratings.
Some could say its because of "fad",but seeing how right after said character departure there occured certain drop in TV ratings,shows how this wasnt only coincidence.

All i can say is how compared to other characters departure,when first girl left people were acting like crazy being shocked.
 
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