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The general Pokemon League / end of Sinnoh / Generation V thread

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Hey guys, my advice is we just focus on the League right now, cause we don't know what will happen after the League.

For the Dawn fans, like myself: Let's just enjoy Dawn as much as we can whether she leaves or not.

For the non-Dawn fans, just try to focus on what you actually like on DP or don't watch at all. When you truly don't like something, you give it no attention. For those who don't like a certain girl why spend so much time bashing her.

Let's all enjoy the League, and the cameos, or maybe guest appearances of main characters that come with it.

I'd love for Misty to come in person to root for Ash.

Also, if Ash by chance were to lose to one of his rivals, who would you feel the most comfortable for it to be?

I love Barry, and him winning would be a shock, but I just don't see it sadly, however, I could be wrong, cause I am not a writer.

Nando or Conway seem worthy, Paul may be epic, but I just don't like his training tactics, but him winning the League might have a purpose if the writers want it to.

I hope that if Ash does lose, it is in the finals, or the person who beats him ends up winning the whole thing.

I also hope like Nando vs Zoey, if the writers will pair rivals up, then please to make it nicely paced.

If Paul and Barry battle I want to see the full battle, which could be quick if the writers want Barry to lose in a devastating manner to hate Paul and respect and root for Ash.
 

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MisterUrban, what will you do in September when we see the BW cast and Dawn is not there?

Just playing devils advocate, what will you do if she stays? I am starting to lean with the side that thinks Dawn stays, giving that most posters predictions lead to the exact opposite happening, I think I am in pretty good shape.
 

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Dawn might actually earn all ribbons by herself next saga.

Which she did this saga... ... ... your point ?

The anime is standalone from the games

Is this meant to be ironic ?

Dawn is staying because she has been accepted as a permanent addition to the anime cast. From the promotion which put her as equivalent to Ash. Brock and TR (except Meowth) are not promoted at such levels, what makes you think Dawn is not the exception to the imagined "new girl every saga" rule?

She might be, but odds are she won't be. They'll give a gen V starter to the new main girl, who'll keep it out of its ball, and she'll recieve roughly the same amout of focus as Ash gets...

If they throw a curveball at us and keep Dawn, so be it. But as much as I like Dawn, I'd rather see her go, make a cameo in BW, then stay and get stale.
 

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Just playing devils advocate, what will you do if she stays? I am starting to lean with the side that thinks Dawn stays, giving that most posters predictions lead to the exact opposite happening, I think I am in pretty good shape.

The fountains of reason these people make themselves out of to be are constantly wrong. Wonder why that never is mentioned.
 

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MisterUrban, what will you do in September when we see the BW cast and Dawn is not there?

And what will you say if you're beloved Gliscor wont appear at the league?

Just playing devils advocate, what will you do if she stays? I am starting to lean with the side that thinks Dawn stays, giving most posters track history on predictions in DP, and the exact opposite happens. I think I am in good shape.

Lol... I think im on that side too, all that these guys do is inventing rules without seeing the specific natures of the sittuations; and dont come up with Mr. Hidaka, he's not there anymore. Why? Maybe because they wanted a different aproach to the anime by finally "pushing" a female character to the same level as the male one, and guess what? This specific sittuation is hinting towards this approach.
 

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Dawn's not going to stay for her character to get stale. She got a 200 ep run, that is the standard length for a protagonist.

We've all seen what happened to Brock over the last 650+ episodes.
 

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Lol... I think im on that side too, all that these guys do is inventing rules without seeing the specific natures of the sittuations; and dont come up with Mr. Hidaka, he's not there anymore. Why? Maybe because they wanted a different aproach to the anime by finally "pushing" a female character to the same level as the male one, and guess what? This specific sittuation is hinting towards this approach.

I dont think anyone's saying that it's 100% confirmed leaving before BW. We're just saying that it's a possibility but a really low one. Dawn cannot advertise Black and White as well as the new characters can and since the purpose of the show is to advertise the games, that is a problem. Dawn has become an equal to Ash. The problem is though that Ash and Pikachu are symbols of Pokemon(Ash based of the first trainer created and Pikachu the mascot) but Dawn and Piplup are DP characters. They might move onto Isshu but it's more likely that they'll leave to make room for White
 

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And what will you say if you're beloved Gliscor wont appear at the league?



Lol... I think im on that side too, all that these guys do is inventing rules without seeing the specific natures of the sittuations; and dont come up with Mr. Hidaka, he's not there anymore. Why? Maybe because they wanted a different aproach to the anime by finally "pushing" a female character to the same level as the male one, and guess what? This specific sittuation is hinting towards this approach.

Yup, fanmade rules in any fandom annoy me. I think it was the other day, Gils said that "Coordinators stick together" as a reason for Dawn to travel with Zoey, and I am thinking who the hell established that as fact? Then there is that whole GF thing, where everyone and their mothers thought Dawn was going to win....and look how that turned out.

Edit: Lmao, Gils does it again, where was it establish 200 episodes was barometer for how long a protagonist is to stay on the show?
 

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Dawn's not going to stay for her character to get stale. She got a 200 ep run, that is the standard length for a protagonist.

We've all seen what happened to Brock over the last 650+ episodes.


There is no established rule as far as I know that prevents a girl from getting booted after 200 episodes. But I think that theres a rule that prevails; depending on the sittuation of the character, either she will get booted or not. My idea is different sittuations, different outcomes.

May got booted because she was the first try.
With Dawn, im getting the hint that this sittuation is different from May's sittuation, hence before this "push" she and Piplup had im seeing the hints that she may very well be worthy to have another run next gen.

But alright there's always the possibility she gets booted, although in my opinion this sittuation tends in a way that Dawn stays.
 

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It's going to be a long two months more or less. :p Given history repeats itself and the next arc is revealed when the movie releases. We're having a bad track record with history repeating right now, as it is not doing so. The Kenny ep will have already aired, and that may not be when they truly reveal Dawn's fate.

I'm sorry, I have nothing to say about the league. What is there to say, really, other than what the legendary trainer is about? I at least say he has fourth gen pokes. I don't really think he'll have fifth gen pokes unless they're more minor. We might not even see anything like that at all.
 

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I dont think anyone's saying that it's 100% confirmed leaving before BW. We're just saying that it's a possibility but a really low one. Dawn cannot advertise Black and White as well as the new characters can and since the purpose of the show is to advertise the games, that is a problem. Dawn has become an equal to Ash. The problem is though that Ash and Pikachu are symbols of Pokemon(Ash based of the first trainer created and Pikachu the mascot) but Dawn and Piplup are DP characters. They might move onto Isshu but it's more likely that they'll leave to make room for White

No its not a problem. If she has the same status has Ash, she proved she's good in a commercial way and survived the "test" that these DP series were, just like Ash survived Kanto-Orange-Johto.
Then there's the fact these BW characters are older and look older, you cant just de-age them, (then their looks would have to be different, hence a contradiction from the games), hinting that they will probably be the face of something new to this Generation and new Region. And since probably Brock is leaving, the "older" spot maybe avaiable or dont, its just a minor technical issue they'll have to resolve.
 

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Yes, Dawn has the small possibilty to stay but I'm pretty sure she's going to go off with Zoey or Kenny. Chances are Dawn will not make her decision in the Kenny episode, and probably leave it up in the air. Zoey will probably get one more appearance at the end, and Dawn might opt to travel with her. I doubt the're going to keep Dawn another region.

It would be odd to have Ash the youngest in the group, but the writers will likely do it, or de-age the next gen girl.
 

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Why would they de-age their key selling point, though? If age is the problem, they just won't use both on the maincast.
 

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Then there's the fact these BW characters are older and look older, you cant just de-age them, (then their looks would have to be different, hence a contradiction from the games),

The fact that the BW are older doesn't mean anything. We dont know much about the Isshu region besides that it's most likely based somewhere outside of Japan. For all we know you have to be older to become a pokemon trainer in the Isshu region
 

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Why would they de-age their key selling point, though? If age is the problem, the just won't use both on the maincast.

I agree, which is why I think they should confirm Ash's age, or age him up to match the age of the new protagonist. They wouldn't have to get rid of Ash, and Pikachu. They would still be the star.
 

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Yes, Dawn has the small possibilty to stay but I'm pretty sure she's going to go off with Zoey or Kenny. Chances are Dawn will not make her decision in the Kenny episode, and probably leave it up in the air. Zoey will probably get one more appearance at the end, and Dawn might opt to travel with her. I doubt the're going to keep Dawn another region.

It would be odd to have Ash the youngest in the group, but the writers will likely do it, or de-age the next gen girl.

Yes but she could have with Dawn with Zoey going to Isshu and then Dawn beating her, or Dawn saying that she will stick with Ash just like in DP 177 if Zoey is telling her she's leaving to Kanto, Hoenn or Johto. But yeah there's all of those possibilities you said on the table.

But it would be odd to have a younger Ash in the group and somehow this tells me it wont work, thats why I think its a hint for Dawn saying. About de-aging I dont really see that I explained in the post before this one check it out.
 

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I agree, which is why I think they should confirm Ash's age, or age him up to match the age of the new protagonist. They wouldn't have to get rid of Ash, and Pikachu. They would still be the star.

I don't see that, I think they would just create a younger anime only character to balance out the ages.
 

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Why would they de-age their key selling point, though? If age is the problem, the just won't use both on the maincast.

Booting off Dawn after this saga would be like replacing Ash with the hero from Pokemon Gold/Silver in the start of Johto.

They deliberately invested in Dawn to follow the character of Ash in those terms.
 

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Booting off Dawn after this saga would be like replacing Ash with the hero from Pokemon Gold/Silver in the start of Johto.

They deliberately invested in Dawn to follow the character of Ash in those terms.

Actually back then it wouldnt have seemed like a big deal to bring Gold in and get rid of Ash. It only seems that way now because Ash has been here for 13 years. Dawn has only been here for 4 years. Just because she is as important as Ash right now doesnt mean she has secured her place in the anime personally. Dawn might stay for Isshu but she'll most likely leave
 
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