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The general Pokemon League / end of Sinnoh / Generation V thread

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MisterUrban

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most of those are your opinion.
1) Well by that logic Brock as an established voice actor so he should stay too

He is not a main character, unlike Dawn.

2) Why would writer's want to keep advertising Dawn and Piplup when they have been doing so for the past 4 years. (Dawn and Piplup are DP characters there's no reason for them to be in Isshu, you liking them is not a reason).

They will be used to advertise other components of the franchise, toys, DVDs, trinkets, events for little kids.

3) The plot right now is the Sinnoh League, what about that makes it unlikely that Dawn will leave

The manner they lack any setup for Dawn's departure. As DP 180 is instead a testimony for Dawn's stay in the show (challenging the original star for the girl, of all things)

4) They could do the exact same thing with Ash and White

Throwing away millions in promotion and marketing by repeating the same thing they did with Dawn. Instead focus things to promote other aspects of the new generation were BW characters are better suited.

5) The fact that they're older doesnt mean anything. Just because you think it'll be weird to have Ash and older girl doesn't mean it will be. What's so weird about Ash having an older female friend, he has Brock who's older than he is and is Brock and Ash's friendship weird?

This is a kid's show. The main protagonists have to be in the same age range. An additional teen would not fit the demographics they aim towards.
 

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1) established voice actress for Dawn

So? That means aboslutely nothing.
2) one of a kind promotion using Dawn and Piplup that parallel Ash and Pikachu

One of a kind? Really now, since there are new fans with every generation they can just as easily give the B/W girl the same promotion.

3) current state of the plot that makes Dawn's departure unlikely

Lol, no she's most likely going to end up traveling with Zoey or Kenny. We'll see what happens with the latter in two weeks. it most likely won't go the way you think. If it does then there's Zoey.

4) changes in the anime franchise to promote Ash & Dawn as co-stars, ie. High Touch.

Again new fans. They can have Ash, and the B/W girl have the same dynamics as Ash and Dawn. It's really not that hard.
 

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He is not a main character, unlike Dawn.



This is a kid's show. The main protagonists have to be in the same age range.


An additional teen would not fit the demographics they aim towards.

Brock is a main character(granted he's a sidekick but still a main character)

You tell us to stop making rules up but I see you making one up right there. The fact is you keep telling us to provide evidence and then you pass off your personal opinion as fact and say that it's evidence she's staying
 

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Brock is a main character(granted he's a sidekick but still a main character)

You tell us to stop making rules up but I see you making one up right there

That is not a rule, it is method most kids show do. They like to keep the main characters around the same age. Children tend to relate to people there own age groups.
 

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He is not a main character, unlike Dawn.

While it's true that Dawn and Ash are the only two protagonists the show's ever really had, Brock is still a main character, you're argument doesn't stand.

PS: Brock'll be gone come Isshu

They will be used to advertise other components of the franchise, toys, DVDs, trinkets, events for little kids.

But, why not introduce a character that does marketing for all of those and the games...

The manner they lack any setup for Dawn's departure. As DP 180 is instead a testimony for Dawn's stay in the show (challenging the original star for the girl, of all things)

Do we know how it'll end ? We know Ash'll probably beat Kenny, but who's to say Dawn won't still decide to go with Kenny after the League ?

This is a kid's show. The main protagonists have to be in the same age range. An additional teen would not fit the demographics they aim towards.

That's not exactly true. A lot of kids show have adult protagonists... and they still sell tons of merchandise.
 

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The people who think Dawn is not a permanent character have really no argument anymore. After presenting them with some points that they at least have a chance to critique in an intelligent manner, they are just going "no..." but not providing a reason why.

It's very simple: different mascots promote different parts of the franchise.
 

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While it's true that Dawn and Ash are the only two protagonists the show's ever really had, Brock is still a main character, you're argument doesn't stand.

PS: Brock'll be gone come Isshu



But, why not introduce a character that does marketing for all of those and the games...



Do we know how it'll end ? We know Ash'll probably beat Dawn, but who's to say Dawn won't still decide to go with Kenny after the League ?



That's not exactly true. A lot of kids show have adult protagonists... and they still sell tons of merchandise.

True, but most of those kid shows tend to have a more diverse demographic like Naruto for example.
 

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Do we know how it'll end ? We know Ash'll probably beat Dawn, but who's to say Dawn won't still decide to go with Kenny after the League ?

Ash will beat Dawn? What did she do?

The people who think Dawn is not a permanent character have really no argument anymore. After presenting them with some points that they at least have a chance to critique in an intelligent manner, they are just going "no..." but not providing a reason why.

Typical person. When his points are shut down he just ignores them and pretends they're not there. Most people are giving reason but apparently you're ignoring them
 

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She was a naughty naughty girl... XD

I meant Kenny of course rushes to edit
 

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It is one thing to say Dawn will stay because her VA is established (whatever that is supposed to mean), but to say Brock isn't a main character? LOL, yeah okay.

Hey guys, I don't think GF is the one running out of ideas here. x)
 

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Hah Hah, all this stuff reminds me of summer of '06 when all the DP stuff was starting and I came to the site because of the whole voice change thing. I remember people were going crazy over whether May was gonna leave or not. Really it was just like the stuff I'm reading now.

Don't know why I'm excited to see where the show goes from here though. Maybe they'll finally change things up. I kinda wanna get back into Pokemon.
 
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You are basically posting your opinion as fact, they can keep Dawn and Ash and make the new saga feel entirely differant, also if Dawn stays why the hell would they need to bring Kenny or Zoey to the next region, that is another stupid fanmade rule.

Hypocrisy is fun, kids!

In al seriousness, I can't see why people seem to think Dawn will stay around. "But they could keep her and still make it different-seeming!" you insist? Well, they could have done that with Misty, May, or even Tracey.

But they didn't.
 

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Hypocrisy is fun, kids!

In al seriousness, I can't see why people seem to think Dawn will stay around. "But they could keep her and still make it different-seeming!" you insist? Well, they could have done that with Misty, May, or even Tracey.

But they didn't.

How is that hypocrisy, I said they can, that is differant then saying they will.
 

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Speaking of fanmade "rules". We should also except one of the characters to obtain a next generation pokemon (while still in Sinnoh). Right?
 

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Speaking of fanmade "rules". We should also except one of the characters to obtain a next generation pokemon. Right?

it'll probably go to either jessie or james.

i'd like ash to capture isshu pokémon in isshu, and as for brock and dawn... *shrug* they won't be around, in my book.
 

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How is that hypocrisy, I said they can, that is differant then saying they will.

I particularly enjoy how you ignored the last half of my post.

And it's hypocrisy because you put forth the opinion that the fanmade rule is stupid... as fact.
 

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Ok, I'll field this one last one, and then that's it. To use a well known voice actor just tells me they have a lot of money to throw around. Disney does it all the time. Other animation companies do it, too. I imagine Japan is not too different. It means NOTHING.
 

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Did any other of your predictions or analysis ever became true?

If they were getting ready to boot Dawn just like May, she would have gotten a tangible reason to leave. She does not know her future, and the Kenny episode is just a distraction.

Ok, I'll field this one last one, and then that's it. To use a well known voice actor just tells me they have a lot of money to throw around. Disney does it all the time. Other animation companies do it, too. I imagine Japan is not too different. It means NOTHING.

Read up on Japanese seiyu. They are essential to an anime's longevity and quality. They picked Misty's voice actress in a certain manner as well, since they didn't except the series to last so long, it's also why she left.
 
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