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Discussion in 'The War Room (Mafia Games)' started by Zexy, Aug 1, 2016.

  1. Max1996

    Max1996 Blue Bomber of the Net

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    I didn't say feelings shouldn't be a factor. I said it shouldn't be the only factor. Sure, you don't like Let's Go, but boycotting Pokémon entirely just for that is extreme.
    I'm not hurt over it, but your reasoning is merely flimsy.

    Welcome back! :)
     
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    My reasoning... that I no longer enjoy the franchise and am leaving it before I get more hurt... is flimsy?

    I'm sorry, no offense, but that makes absolutely no sense.
     
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    You're saying it's solely from Let's Go. That is what makes it flimsy.
     
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    No, it doesn't... It just means I've seen which way the wind is blowing, and I want out.
     
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    It's only been 2-ish weeks since Let's Go came out. You're jumping to conclusions so quickly, you put Mario to shame.
     
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    Two weeks and it broke all previous sales records for the franchise. That tells us all we need to know.
     
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    The franchise? Where does it say that?
     
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    IN the title. But does it even matter? It's over for me. There is no next pokemon game in my future. There is no ifs, no buts, and no need to justify my position. I will not be able to enjoy the franchise any longer, so I want out. That is all there is to it.
     
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    The title only states that it breaks sales records, not from what :p
    If you read on you see it's about Switch games
     
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    I did read on. Though I have to ask, @AussieEevee, did you?
     
  13. Ereshkigal

    Ereshkigal Far too mouthy for my own good.

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    Every game with a random number generator is designed to prey on addiction. So has every collectible card game, both physical and electronic, since collectible card games have been invented. It's been well-known for decades. It's a rather poor excuse for hating one particular item when you're giving all of the others a free pass. It's also a rather poor excuse for making one item illegal.

    And that's before you get into the games that have literal slot machines or actual gambling in them, even if the gambling is purely of fake money.

    These media clips are getting annoying. And I'm not really a fan of them. Not when they have certain issues with logic or reason.

    Remember what I said about indulging bitterness? You're doing it. You're letting it drive a wedge between you and others, and you are letting it get in the way of gaining information that would aid you and help ease the bitterness.

    I've been down this path. It's not one you wish to walk.

    Did you even read the bit about Steam Direct? It's a publishing platform and a shop. This has been well-known for years.

    You can purchase them in-game. Certain loot crates are even for sale year-round.

    You can buy subscription time for real currency and sell it for in-game currency. It's an easy way to make loads of money and the in-game economy is currently balanced around this.

    By your definition, Terraria isn't an indie game. It's published by 505 Games, which is one of the larger handheld games publishers. Not AAA, but also very much not an independent due to who they're owned by.

    Well, it's an independent game if you focus purely on the developer, and 505 Games did win an award for its willingness to publish independent games...

    Okay, good. Enjoy them!

    Ah, I hadn't heard of them! Good find! I'll have to check them out!

    Deep Rock Galactic isn't an indie game. It's one of THQ Nordic's products. THQ owns Coffee Stain.

    In Nintendo's defense, their games are primarily aimed towards children and families. There's going to be a certain amount of "this feels dumbed down" to their games because of that. They're assuming people ten and below are going to be playing the game, most likely with their parents in the room.

    And, I don't think you should count Pokemon out just yet.

    I just looked it up, and Arkham Knight released on the same day as Steam's refund system. Interesting timing.

    There were ones after that, but EA pulled them from Steam. It's a complicated spat over money, of course. It's the same dispute between Activision and Valve over the Blizzard games and why Nintendo refuses to bring titles over to the PC.

    Apparently, from the large studio side, Valve somehow manages to be worse than EA or Microsoft.

    The N64 was designed for casual gaming as well. Nintendo found their niche and stuck to it because it works.

    I get the feeling you don't pay any attention at all to what the Blizzard studio is actually doing. Activision has started moving their games over to Blizzard's Battlenet distribution platform; both Destiny 2 and the latest CoD can be found there. And there's signs Activision plans to move more games over in the months and years to come as they continue to cut ties with Valve.

    Like I said, Valve has angered a number of big studios, and I've seen a number of indie developers outright state you need a deal with a big publisher to survive on Steam. Some feel Valve is engaged in practices even more unethical than EA is, only with the difference being they don't target the consumer. But, yeah, I've seen Valve described in terms even EA is not subjected to.

    Also, I checked your link about the sales figures and saw this statement:

    "This makes the latest Pokemon Go game the fastest selling title on the Nintendo Switch since its launch in March 2017."

    And then, further down, they don't list it at all as a good-selling Pokemon-franchise game. They just say it's doing well as a Switch title.

    Welcome back!
     
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    No. It's a Pokemon Let's Go post. The title tells me all I need to know.

    There is a difference between RNG, and charging money for exploitation boxes.

    Loot boxes are illegal in belgium because they violate the gambling laws of that country.

    Here's the thing though, it's not just governments acting on their own: Gamers urge government to act on "gambling" loot boxes in video games

    That's because Sid Alpha is a consumer advocate. His logic makes sense when you factor in that he's in the industry to protect the consumer.

    This makes no sense, but okay.

    EITHER WAY, that's not relevant.

    I didn't know that. Good thing I don't play the game anymore.

    WoW's in-game economy isn't balanced around buying gold though. I mean, what you can use gold for is very limited, and has been limited for years. You can use it to buy basic items, level professions, get heirlooms (Which admittedly can break the levelling curve... Bad Blizzard)... but the most valuable items are either RNG drops or bought with non-gold currencies.

    THQ closed down as of 2013.

    I've seen Destiny 2 and CoD... I admit I played about an hour of Destiny 2 when it was in open beta. It was okay, but nothing to write home about. The stuff I've heard since makes me glad I didn't play, as the developers have been copping quite a lot of flack for bad decisions.

    I never owned a N64 for anything before the game cube... But the Nintendo handheld titles up until this point have always... even X and Y... been exactly what I need from a non-PC platform.
    Valve isn't perfect, and I have a long list of complaints about them too (let's start with being a sleeping giant, and not moderating the Steam store... let's talk asset flips.), but they are definitely not as bad as EA.

    Valve is also like Apple, and Google. It takes far too much effort to get them to take action against toxic developers, or toxic users. Also, their support system is shockingly bad. Seriously.

    Microsoft Game Studios hasn't appeared on my radar in years... I'm not even sure if I have any games published by them. Not sure and I can't be bothered going through my Steam library to find out.


    Cause and effect.

    I think you missed the point where I said that it's not about being published.

    I had said that I TEND TO focus on indie games, because none of the games from the big name publishers really interest me anymore (And I won't touch EA)
    Same here... Being published by anyone doesn't mean I'm avoiding it... Except for stuff published by EA... but for all other publishers - including Ubisoft, Activision, Bethesda - it's irrelevant if it is published or not. It's about if the game is littered with shoddy design, or uses exploitation.

    And that's fine for them, but as I said, they're not really a publisher that develops stuff I'd be interested in.

    Though, I will give Nintendo credit... as far as I know (And I could be wrong... Please don't disappoint me, Nintendo)... They haven't fallen into the loot box craze yet. And to Let's Go's credit, there are AFAIK, no loot boxes in the game. Pokemon Go also has some minor microtransactions (Microtransactions are fine if they are direct sales) but AFAIK, no loot boxes.

    As I said, I'm no longer enjoying the franchise, so I want out... I'm done with Pokemon. Why do people have a hard time accepting that?

    Other franchises I loved but no longer want anything to do with include:
    Mass Effect
    Dragon Age
    Star Wars
    Star Trek
    The Sims (Sims 4 sucked IMO... Sims 3 was 100% better... even though, as I said, it's full of bloated DLC, and microtransactions)

    Except for Star Trek, amusingly all of those are published by EA.

    And although I did mention Ubisoft and Bethesda, as I said, I am willing to buy from them again if their games are acceptable to me. Far Cry 5 was a horrible mess... Good gameplay, but the story is just an utter disappointment and even frustrating at times.

    And Bethesda... it's mostly a problem with the number of glitches in their games... It's almost like playing a beta game.

    Now... do I have any Microsoft Game Studio games...? *goes to look*
     
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    'Never judge a book by its cover' as the saying goes.

    Compared to other Pokémon games, sales of Let's Go are rather lackluster. All other Pokémon games mentioned in the post are double-digit millions.
     
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    @AussieEevee
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    You know, mentioning me wasn't necessary since you know I'm currently active on the forums.

    Fine. You can have that point, but it still doesn't change anything.
     
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    That isn't the issue. You're adding assumptions to it.
     
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    So what?


    I'll say this one more time, and hopefully someone will listen... I'm not enjoying the franchise anymore... I'm not going to enjoy it in the future... so why subject myself to constant disappointment? I'm done with the franchise.
     
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    If you're gonna say something you can't say with absolute certainty yet, like all future games being like Let's Go, people are gonna respond to that.
     
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