SwSh There are petitions about Gamefreak fixing the 'Galar Pokedex' thing

[Joker901]

How is this thread still going on lol.

Everyone is just repeating the same arguments over and over again.

I think it's because this particular moment in the history of the pokemon franchise is much more interesting than any announcement from tpci.

 

[TechSkylander1518]

Never have I said or implied you shouldn't criticize man. Everyone's more than free. I just only believed people blow their displeasure more out of proportion than they intend. But that's personal opinion

The fact still remains-you've been repeating this opinion for over a month, which is exactly what you said other people shouldn't do.

I did move forward. I already stated I was also a bit disappointed, but I don't let it dictate my feelings of excitement over that I still had, which is why I still plan to enjoy the game. It may be a flaw in the game but it's one I can live with.

I'm talking about moving forward from your opinion that people are talking too much about the dex, not the dex removal. You've been fine with that since day one.

And I know many people have that ability to do as well. But the negativity spreads and cause everyone to argue and snap at one another.

Disagreeing isn't inherently bad. And if you want people not to snap at each other, you could start by not calling people who disagree with you "obsessive" or say that their opinions are "pouty".

Best thing the negative side can do, is simply not buy the game and just skip rather than just sitting, pounting, and arguing with others about

Nothing, but holding, repeating, and sitting on those opinions for over a month is leaning on the obsessive side negativity.

And I kinda want it to stop already cause it's been over a month now and we're still going at it.

And yet, you just joined back in because you were bored...

It's one thing to give an opinion but to be stuck on repeat, and mulling over it only makes you obsessed to get your point across, which leads to the arguing and more negativity spreading.

It takes two opinions to be able to argue. If you think it's such a problem that people are arguing, why aren't you also calling for the people who defend the dex removal to stop?

And, again, where is the negativity that's supposedly coming from the users who want the dex back? We're not calling you obsessive. We're not saying you're pouting. We're not saying you don't know how to have fun, that you don't know how to cope with disappointment, that you sound selfish, or that you're acting like children. Those are all things you've said about us.

I mean dude, you even pulled a quote of something i wrote days ago just to use against me, like you memorized it and saved it to use against me. That's a bit much for an argument

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I'm not memorizing anything. I just know that you've been expressing similar opinions since the announcement was made, and I wanted to get a clear quote so I could be sure of that.

That's not really a message.

How?

You guys are going for "We're not buying your game until you give us what we want" not "Nah this game isn't for me". You boycott to make a change, not just state opinion.

"You guys"? I'm not taking part in any organized boycott at all.

And, again, "I'm not going to buy this game because I don't like this change. If the change was undone, I would buy it" isn't that much different from "I'm not buying this game because it doesn't interest me. If something I enjoyed was added, I would buy it."

 

[Icy Wind]

Kinda my point exactly. Everyone's just on repeat over their issues, and I'm no less guilty cause all I do is argue back, and I believe that's what was leading to my stress

You should honestly take a break from this thread if it’s actually stressing you. It’s not like anything we say here is going to change anything.

 

[Silktree]

@Joker901 They have made EVs and IVs more accessible. I wouldn't be surprised if Natures were the next step, beyond what they've done in LGPE.

And all those interviews from over the years, were not intended for kids to read. That said, Game Freak seem to take their adult fans for granted, as if they were addicts.

 

[Joker901]

@Joker901 They have made EVs and IVs more accessible. I wouldn't be surprised if Natures were the next step, beyond what they've done in LGPE.

And all those interviews from over the years, were not intended for kids to read. That said, Game Freak seem to take their adult fans for granted, as if they were addicts.

And what about playing a game that has litterally 10 double battles when your competitive championship is all about double battles? Are we seriously discussing about how much GF cares for competitive players? We still don't have numbers for ivs. Guess who finds "31" more difficult than "best"...

 

[Knightwolf09]

The fact still remains-you've been repeating this opinion for over a month, which is exactly what you said other people shouldn't do.

I'm talking about moving forward from your opinion that people are talking too much about the dex, not the dex removal. You've been fine with that since day one.

Yeah, I just mentioned earlier I'm no less guilty of doing so. I suppose we put ourselves in this endless loop

Disagreeing isn't inherently bad. And if you want people not to snap at each other, you could start by not calling people who disagree with you "obsessive" or say that their opinions are "pouty".

Now I don't want people to think I believe their concerns are not important or don't deserve to be heard. I just think it's been to long for this to be basic opinion sharing anymore, and all I can see is slight bitterness.

And yet, you just joined back in because you were bored...

Pretty much. Now I didn't come in to start any fight, as I said, I wanted to put my thoughts into the matter about this boycotting thing. And how it's not feasible to work a make things change in this regard.

You should honestly take a break from this thread if it’s actually stressing you. It’s not like anything we say here is going to change anything.

I did, I was gone for quite a bit.

It takes two opinions to be able to argue. If you think it's such a problem that people are arguing, why aren't you also calling for the people who defend the dex removal to stop?

I do tell some people to just let it go. But I don't know too many people who think the dex cut was a good thing. Just a flaw they can live with. Plus if only one side stops arguing it leads the to thinking they won a battle or something, Basically that can lead to another form of toxicity if only one side stops, and then that toxicity can spread to those trying to ignore it

And, again, where is the negativity that's supposedly coming from the users who want the dex back? We're not calling you obsessive. We're not saying you're pouting. We're not saying you don't know how to have fun, that you don't know how to cope with disappointment, that you sound selfish, or that you're acting like children. Those are all things you've said about us.

Well for telling to spread the word of boycotting the game, calling others apologists and shills, insulting the company that gave you the games you loved for years and calling them liars, spamming twitter pages with a hashtag on anything pokemon related, and inning false accusations on an announcer (granted there's no proof it's either side). There's tons of negativity that spreads from it, even if if you try to disassociate from it. It's a matter of too side shouting one cares too much, and the other shouting they don't care enough.

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I'm not memorizing anything. I just know that you've been expressing similar opinions since the announcement was made, and I wanted to get a clear quote so I could be sure of that.

Ah okay, you had me worried for sec. Thought you were going too hard into this

How?

"You guys"? I'm not taking part in any organized boycott at all.

Forgive me, I did kind of lump you in with the people planning on boycotting

And, again, "I'm not going to buy this game because I don't like this change. If the change was undone, I would buy it" isn't that much different from "I'm not buying this game because it doesn't interest me. If something I enjoyed was added, I would buy it."

The difference is one side is purposeful.

 

[Tsutsayosdi]

Both sides are purposeful. Just different purposes. And quite frankly, it's perturbing that you're explicitly opposed to the former.

 

[Knightwolf09]

Both sides are purposeful. Just different purposes. And quite frankly, it's perturbing that you're explicitly opposed to the former.

I mean that one side is doing it for the sake of a movement and the other just simply doesn't want it. Simple as that.

 

[Lunala]

I feel boycotts are not immoral. Not usually at least.

So what's the problem? It never looks pro-consumer or pro-freedom (whether you're a socialist or capitalist) to be against boycotts. Frankly it just makes you look bad.

Loving the company is fine, but you don't need to be defensive to the point of criticizing people and telling them to stop talking and change their opinion.

Especially when we know boycotting will likely do nothing.

 

[Knightwolf09]

I feel boycotts are not immoral. Not usually at least.

So what's the problem? It never looks pro-consumer or pro-freedom (whether you're a socialist or capitalist) to be against boycotts. Frankly it just makes you look bad.

Loving the company is fine, but you don't need to be defensive to the point of criticizing people.

Especially when we know boycotting will likely do nothing.

I never really said I was against it. Just that there's no point in this instance cause it won't change their minds.

 

[KrspaceT]

People do recall that there are things between 'Flop' and 'Perfect Success' right? If S n S is down a million from projections, that is something that would get noticed

 

[Knightwolf09]

People do recall that there are things between 'Flop' and 'Perfect Success' right? If S n S is down a million from projections, that is something that would get noticed

You act like GF didn't expect the backlash to happen. This isn't their first rodeo with this kind of stuff, having at least the transparency to tell people earlier than intended, and even acknowledging that Sun and Moon allowed all pokemon to be accessed, yet still made this decision. I feel the knew the storm that'd come, hence why they doubled down cause they know the consequence. I would be surprised if they lowered sales projections cause of this.

 

[swiftgallade46]

So because they may have expected it (we can’t possibly know what their projections were), people shouldn’t bother expressing their dislike of the decision with boycotts etc.? Wouldn’t that be worse? If the games sold just the same or only very slightly worse than normal, that would send the message that this isn’t something people care about which would give them the green light to do it more or make no effort to rectify or mitigate it.

 

[TechSkylander1518]

Now I don't want people to think I believe their concerns are not important or don't deserve to be heard. I just think it's been to long for this to be basic opinion sharing anymore, and all I can see is slight bitterness.

Why would it have been too long for it? We've had new updates (like Masuda's announcement) and new ideas (like considering whether programming or storage space was a problem), so it's not like we've stayed on the same idea this whole time. And sometimes, new people chime in with their thoughts, because they didn't post earlier.

And, yeah, there is slight bitterness, because people are discontent with it. That doesn't mean people shouldn't be allowed to talk about it.

But I don't know too many people who think the dex cut was a good thing. Just a flaw they can live with.

They don't have to love the idea to defend it. Besides, you also don't know too many people falsely accusing Masuda, but you still brought that up.

Pretty much. Now I didn't come in to start any fight, as I said, I wanted to put my thoughts into the matter about this boycotting thing. And how it's not feasible to work a make things change in this regard.

Do you honestly think everyone else is talking about this with the intent to start fights? Everyone just wants to share their own thoughts.

Plus if only one side stops arguing it leads the to thinking they won a battle or something, Basically that can lead to another form of toxicity if only one side stops, and then that toxicity can spread to those trying to ignore it

So, again, why are you calling just for the people against the dex cut to stop? If toxicity comes from just one side stopping, shouldn't you be telling everyone to stop arguing?

Well for telling to spread the word of boycotting the game, calling others apologists and shills, insulting the company that gave you the games you loved for years and calling them liars, spamming twitter pages with a hashtag on anything pokemon related, and inning false accusations on an announcer (granted there's no proof it's either side). There's tons of negativity that spreads from it, even if if you try to disassociate from it. It's a matter of too side shouting one cares too much, and the other shouting they don't care enough.

So your solution is to tell people on Bulbagarden to stop talking about it, even if they're not actually doing any of these things?

What if I complained about being called slurs by people who defend the dex cut, even though nobody here has done so?

Spoiler: A post where someone did

It wouldn't be fair for me to tell you that you should stop posting your opinions because some creep on 4Chan with similar views is a jerk.

 

[Knightwolf09]

Why would it have been too long for it? We've had new updates (like Masuda's announcement) and new ideas (like considering whether programming or storage space was a problem), so it's not like we've stayed on the same idea this whole time. And sometimes, new people chime in with their thoughts, because they didn't post earlier.

And, yeah, there is slight bitterness, because people are discontent with it. That doesn't mean people shouldn't be allowed to talk about it.

You seem to keep confusing that I'm saying you're not allowed to talk about or you shouldn't. I can only repeat so many times that's not my intention before it seems like I'm beating a dead horse.

They don't have to love the idea to defend it. Besides, you also don't know too many people falsely accusing Masuda, but you still brought that up.

Only because it shows how this brings the worst out people to do mess like this

Do you honestly think everyone else is talking about this with the intent to start fights? Everyone just wants to share their own thoughts.

I only said that cause I didn't want you guys thinking I only came here to start an argument.

So, again, why are you calling just for the people against the dex cut to stop? If toxicity comes from just one side stopping, shouldn't you be telling everyone to stop arguing?

Because currently they are the most vocal. You stop them it makes it easier to those talking against them.

So your solution is to tell people on Bulbagarden to stop talking about it, even if they're not actually doing any of these things?

No, I just said negativity does come from it, not just here on Bulbagarden

What if I complained about being called slurs by people who defend the dex cut, even though nobody here has done so?

Spoiler: A post where someone did

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It wouldn't be fair for me to tell you that you should stop posting your opinions because some creep on 4Chan with similar views is a jerk.

4chan's a really bad example considering cursing and slurs is considered basic language in there.

 

[Blockhead Pippi]

At this point I just want ShSw to come out already so that everyone, on all sides, can move on. No matter what happens.

I'm still firmly in the "I'm opposed to the cut" camp. But while it was fun at first, this debate is just tiring now.

 

[Knightwolf09]

At this point I just want ShSw to come out already so that everyone, on all sides, can move on. No matter what happens.

I'm still firmly in the "I'm opposed to the cut" camp. But while it was fun at first, this debate is just tiring now.

Yeah I feel the same. Then again not like I'm helping stop it.

 

[Blockhead Pippi]

Yeah I feel the same. Then again not like I'm helping stop it.

Which is why we've told you, repeatedly now, to take a break or to avoid this debate. Frankly the only one stressing you out is yourself because you keep coming back to this discussion. And I hate to be blunt, but when you decide to hop in to argue, then it only continues the very argument you want to see end.

If you need to talk Pokemon, there's other forum sections than just SwSh.

 

[Knightwolf09]

Which is why we've told you, repeatedly now, to take a break or to avoid this debate. Frankly the only one stressing you out is yourself because you keep coming back to this discussion. And I hate to be blunt, but when you decide to hop in to argue, then it only continues the very argument you want to see end.

If you need to talk Pokemon, there's other forum sections than just SwSh.

I didn't even intend to argue. As Tech would put it, I came in to give an opinion and it turned into an argument from there

 

[TechSkylander1518]

You seem to keep confusing that I'm saying you're not allowed to talk about or you shouldn't. I can only repeat so many times that's not my intention before it seems like I'm beating a dead horse.

Nothing, but holding, repeating, and sitting on those opinions for over a month is leaning on the obsessive side negativity. It's more than fine to express your displeasure, but most people just move forward from it with those feelings in tact.

But the negativity spreads and cause everyone to argue and snap at one another. And I kinda want it to stop already cause it's been over a month now and we're still going at it.

It's one thing to give an opinion but to be stuck on repeat, and mulling over it only makes you obsessed to get your point across, which leads to the arguing and more negativity spreading.

I just think it's been to long for this to be basic opinion sharing anymore, and all I can see is slight bitterness.

I really don't see what these statements are supposed to mean besides "people shouldn't talk about it anymore".

Only because it shows how this brings the worst out people to do mess like this

It shows that it brings the worst out in one person.

Because currently they are the most vocal. You stop them it makes it easier to those talking against them.

How can you be so sure that stopping one group leads to toxicity, while stopping another leads to everything working out fine? The people holding these opinions are individuals with their own characters that will respond differently-they're not a hivemind with a predictable outcome.

No, I just said negativity does come from it, not just here on Bulbagarden

But why tell that to the people that aren't causing it? If you're going to tell people to stop the negativity, why not tell the people who are actually doing it?

4chan's a really bad example considering cursing and slurs is considered basic language in there.

So? It's still an example of negativity. It still "shows how this brings the worst out in people", like your example of the false claims.