Tier Discussion

[SharKing]

Against Sandstormers, Altaria dies to Tyranitar, Landorus, and Terrakion before even moving (except against slow Ttar). Against rain, a good Ice Beam (which some Rain abusers like Politoed use) will kill it. It can't actually do much to them, either (except maybe Toxic + Protect).

 

[Lord Clowncrete]

lickylicky is the only one who can even be considered.Atleast he has that great movepool and decent bulk.

 

[GengarEatBanana]

Yes but Explosion's nerfed now, and with all the Fighting types running around he'd die in an instant. Then Tyranitar/Hippowdon/Politoed/Ninetails/Obamasnow can come in and simply re-apply the weather.

I was wondering how some old Gen. IV stars like Heatran, Scizor and Salamence were doing.

 

[Angad]

Heatran and Scizor are doing fine, but Salamence has to rely on roles that aren't outclassed by other pokemon now.

 

[Synthesis]

Yeah, Cloud Nine isn't all that good on the Pokemon that get it. Other Pokemon could've appreciated it more.

 

[Lord Clowncrete]

tbh,lickylicky can deal with all the weather starters.I think something like arcanine would have been a better recipient.

 

[brickwork]

Damn. I hope Cloud Nine gets given to something decent next gen, it has a lot of potential, but just isn't given to the right 'mons.

 

[drug_duck]

i dont know why people are still that ban-happy everywhere. just let the metagame evolve and dont just ban stuff that you consider overpowered

 

[Lord Clowncrete]

i dont know why people are still that ban-happy everywhere. just let the metagame evolve and dont just ban stuff that you consider overpowered

because,if u dont ban some mons,they and their counters and their anti-counters will be seen on every single team.Everybody will be using the same team.

 

[Valkyria]

because,if u dont ban some mons,they and their counters and their anti-counters will be seen on every single team.Everybody will be using the same team.

Jirachi is a prime example of this, no one wants to be swept by Reuniclus or Latios, so having Jirachi or Specially Defensive Scizor [the latter being a better counter] is almost a necessity.

 

[Angad]

i dont know why people are still that ban-happy everywhere. just let the metagame evolve and dont just ban stuff that you consider overpowered

Things tend to overcentralize, before the Garchomp ban this gen, you were at a severe disadvantage if you didn't a set group of pokemon that could manage Garchomp, including Garchomp. That's why they are banned.

 

[g3rgni]

Allowing significantly overpowered threats to remain in OU really limits team diversity. You're either using them on your team, you're running specific checks to handle them, or you're doing both.

 

[Angad]

For example, FWG cores only were viable in Gen 4 after Salamence was banned.

 

[SharKing]

You mean, the Heatran/Suicune/Celebi cores I see everywhere in Gen. IV OU these days?

 

[Lord Clowncrete]

Jirachi is a prime example of this, no one wants to be swept by Reuniclus or Latios, so having Jirachi or Specially Defensive Scizor [the latter being a better counter] is almost a necessity.

taunt mons like jellicent,phazors etc. stop reuniclus.However latios is too powerful and definitely broken.

 

[Valkyria]

taunt mons like jellicent,phazors etc. stop reuniclus.However latios is too powerful and definitely broken.

Jellicent is a very shaky counter to Reuniclus as it has trouble taking Psyshock/Psychic and can't hit back very well.

 

[SharKing]

Already-accumulated Calm Minds > Jellicent, even if it has Shadow Ball. Psyshock stings it somethin' fierce.

 

[g3rgni]

What do you guys think of UU now that Staraptor, Espeon, and Wobbuffet are banned? I think that the metagame will unfortunately become even more Chansey-friendly and there will be very few viable special sweepers.

 

[Lord Clowncrete]

What do you guys think of UU now that Staraptor, Espeon, and Wobbuffet are banned? I think that the metagame will unfortunately become even more Chansey-friendly and there will be very few viable special sweepers.

They never ban stall mons,which is very annoying.

@SharKing
The trick is to taunt reuniclus and keep attacking with scald.And yes if u allow it to set up more than 3 calm minds,then u r gonna lose anyway.Even skarmory breaks its sweeps.

 

[Thundagere]

Don't forget about Cobalion. I haven't had a problem with Chansey (since i started playing UU) since most have Toxic, which Cob is immune to, and it can freely set up. Of course, T-Wave is a problem, but I have Jolteon to scout....
Personally, I'm glad Staraptor's gone, it was a bit overbalanced.