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I don't know. I am pretty sure I am not the only fan to dislike these new dancing and/or Synchro moves, around the internet.

You guys (@Vinx @Tsutarja @Icy Wind @Fairy Type Arceus) can stick to your opinions, but you are not going to change mine. No point trying.

Sometimes, I am an impatient guy, and I don't feel like waiting for weeks/months for when the mechanic is fully revealed, in order to give my opinion of the feature. I feel like giving my opinion NOW. And if you think its premature, sorry, but I don't care. I currently dislike it, and I feel like expressing my dislike. If I change my opinion, I will voice it as well.

That said, I do hope Game Freak makes me eat my criticism.

If the Power Up moves turn out to be exclusive to NFE mons, it could be the best addition EVER. I would love the mechanic if they are.

However, I don't think I will ever get used to those terrible "I am a Pokemon Trainer, but I want to battle too!" dance moves.
 
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The dance moves would probably look better if the trainers didn't have those cold, dead, unchanging expressions while doing them. But I don't really mind them. Although I hope those animations work like the Mega Evolution one does and only plays the animation once and then skips it later on. Depending on how often the super moves happen watching those dances could get really tedious.

Also it makes it really hard to take the dancing seriously after all those videos that popped up when people ripped the trainer models from the Gen 6 games. It's feels like GF was like "hey we should do that".
 
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Your opinion is literally based on assumptions that may not even be true.

Please try to be more open-minded before hating on something we barely know anything about.
The terrible dance moves are already a fact. My complaints are mostly directed towards the dancing moves of the trainers, not so much the Powered Up moves of the Pokemon.
 
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Gen 7 Fans: omG no gyms and dancing f### this
Meta Boss: dancing? Trainers having an active role during battles? F### this GF, I want my classic Pokemon games back!
I think a big reason why people are taking your comments at such a brush (certainly this is true in my case from yesterday) is because the "Fuck this GF, omg you've tarred and feathered the series's spirit" is a bit of an extreme reaction (especially toward something we know so little about). It's not criticism so much as it is a declaration of Ruined FOREVER. Even if that's not necessarily your intention, the language involved greatly resembles it. So it's easy to misconstrue your apprehension (which is totally fair, and I thought you argued it well enough yesterday) as blind rage.

I have always wanted the classic Pokemon formula to stay the same (with cool improvements like Abilities, HA, new battle styles, etc) , and I have always praised Game Freak's conservative philosophy of "if it ain't broken, don't fix it"
But what draws the line that separates Super Moves from being "a cool new improvement"?

Especially if, as you considered before, they are similar to the elemental gems from Gen V. Because then it's not even so much a "new improvement" as it is an overhauling of a previous one, since those gems are no longer available.

EXACTLY THIS: keep the experiments outside of the MAIN SERIES. Pokemon Go is awesome precisely because it lets them experiment without changing the main game formula.
There's not really any correlation here, though. GO is an attempt to create a Pokémon game in an entirely different medium, and would be fundamentally impossible to "test" through the main series. Super Moves are a simple addition to the already-established battle mechanics of the main series, done in order to spice them up with new strategies. There's not really anywhere else that they even *could* try that out, because it directly relies on the main series's mechanics.

Now, I've seen a couple people mention that they find the dances silly. While I haven't had the chance to do proper research yet, I would not be surprised if they have roots in tradiitonal Hawaiian dances. Most of the ones I've heard of are considered very sacred and an important part of their culture.

If anyone's got any more insight or has found a real world counterpart, let me know.
I was having the same thought the other day. I'm very curious to see if anybody finds anything on this front.

Then I wouldn't be playing the game how it is meant to be played...
You're not expected to use everything at your disposal. There is no "how it is meant to be played" because the games are all about choosing your own Pokémon, and choosing your own moves, and choosing your own battle strategy. Want to run a team of walls? Go right ahead, or don't. Want to use Megas? Go right ahead, or don't. Want to use items or do EV training and IV breeding? Go right ahead, or don't. Up to you.

Besides, in XY, Korrina made us Mega Evolve Lucario. So i am not sure if the game will allow us to ignore the mechanic.
That was a one-off demo battle that lasted two turns. A blip on the radar.

I think what annoys me regarding the new mechanic, is that it depicts the Trainer as someone with almost supernatural powers. He makes a dance that pretty much reminds me of freakin Kame... Hame... HAAAAAAAA!

The Trainer is taking an active role in Pokemon battles, by helping his Pokemon in the battle. Personally making a move (dance) to power up his Pokemon.

Mega Evolution is not like that. It is just the Trainer pressing a button. To me, it is completely different. To you? I don't know, and I don't care. You are free to have your own opinion.
Except, as @Tsutarja said, Mega Evolution also requires the Trainer, fundamentally, because it uses the bond between them and their Pokémon as fuel for the process. And are you not also "helping your Pokémon" by giving them commands or using items on them?

I mean, this is most likely going to come down to "just pressing a button" too. The dancing isn't going to be some DDR-esque lightning round using the 3DS cameras to track your movements. It's probably just going to be a precursor animation, like the one for Mega Evolution. Press a button, animation plays, move carries out, done.
 
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@Esserise I guess my only counterargument is that my opinions on the matter are mostly based on feelings. The dancing/Synchro mechanic really isn't clicking right with me, for some reason.

I think the reason is, that I have always seen the Pokemon Trainers as something like a Basketball coach. He shouts his indications, but is not allowed to surpass the line and enter the field and play with his boys. He can only give indications to his team members.

Now, imagine that coach suddenly doing this dance to "power up" his team members, so they perform better on the pitch.... Yeah.

Now transfer this on Pokemon. The Pokemon Trainer gives instructions, but never participates in the battle directly. Until now, where he does a special power up dance to power up his Pokemon. I am sorry, but I really dislike it. It doesn't feel like a main series Pokemon game thing to me.
 
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Meta Boss said:
Then I wouldn't be playing the game how it is meant to be played...
By this logic, then everybody who doesn't breed, use held items, doesn't use then gen 6 exp share ect...... are playing the games "wrongly".

There are no written rules telling you how you should play a game or not. You're free to play pokemon in whatever way you want.
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Besides, in XY, Korrina made us Mega Evolve Lucario. So i am not sure if the game will allow us to ignore the mechanic.
You're only forced to use mega evolution once in XY, but after that, you're free to completely ignore mega evolution. I think if we're forced to use the powered up moves in SM, they're going to be in the same case as mega evolution in XY.
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I am pretty sure I am not the only fan to dislike these new dancing and/or Synchro moves, around the internet.
No one here is saying that you're the only one in the fanbase who dislikes these new moves. Like others have said earlier, there are a lot of people who dislike something with barely any information on it, your comment just happens to be the only one like that in this thread. People are just criticising your opinion.
 
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Is there anyway ya'll can take this shit to a private message? I'm all for expressing ideas, but it's just going back and forth and I'm tired of reading the same shit over and over. Some like it, some don't. It literally does not matter what you say, everyone has expressed their side and no one else is going to convince the other to change their minds. It's fucking annoying.
 
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@Meta Boss I understand where you are getting at. Personally, I don't hate the mechanic, but I do understand how this seems to be a little... awkward concerning the direction of the Pokémon games. Especially how you're portraying a coach doing a silly dance to "power up" his team. I'd honestly laugh at that in the moment, but I would be concerned if said coach did that all of the time. Overall, I'm sure this will just be one of those cringey aspects of a game that you'll learn tolerate but never really like.
 
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Especially how you're portraying a coach doing a silly dance to "power up" his team. I'd honestly laugh at that in the moment, but I would be concerned if said coach did that all of the time.
Maybe for a coach, but isn't this the basic concept of cheerleading?
 
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Maybe for a coach, but isn't this the basic concept of cheerleading?
Yes, it is. However, Pokémon trainers have never really been portrayed as cheerleaders unless you count the Backer trainer class in the Unova games. For Game Freak to suddenly make trainers a hybrid cheerleader/coach figure out of nowhere just comes across as plain awkward. I mean, could you imagine a coach that was also a cheerleader? Like I said before, I hold no malice towards these dances. However, I cannot deny how awkward it comes across with their static expression and how Pokémon trainers have been portrayed across media. Unlike Meta Boss, whose opinion I understand, this might grow on me. Until we learn more though, my first impressions on these trainer dances range from neutral to slightly awkward.

That being said, does anyone know when regional side-activities for previous regions like Contests and Pokéathlon have been covered in the past? Kalos lacked one of these, and I'm afraid that the only reason ORAS still had contests was because RSE had them. The lack of a Battle Frontier due to current-generation children not liking stuff like that is one thing. It's another if Game Freak cuts out regional side-activities with for that same reason. Not everyone wants to breeze though the main game and then move on, Game Freak!
 
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@Meta Boss I understand where you are getting at. Personally, I don't hate the mechanic, but I do understand how this seems to be a little... awkward concerning the direction of the Pokémon games. Especially how you're portraying a coach doing a silly dance to "power up" his team. I'd honestly laugh at that in the moment, but I would be concerned if said coach did that all of the time. Overall, I'm sure this will just be one of those cringey aspects of a game that you'll learn tolerate but never really like.
Yes, this is what I meant, glad that you understand it.

I guess a cool solution would be if they let us turn the Dancing Off, like you can turn battle move animations off.

As for side games, I think side games will continue to be a thing. I hope. If not, it would be a big dissapointment.

I mean in ORAS we had Secret Bases, Contest Spectacaulars, DexNav hunting, Amie and Super Training. This is a big rsnge of side activities.

So I expect two or more side games this time. Also, please, MAKE those side games challenging and entertaining!

My favourite sidegames until now, have been Contest Spectacaulars, Super Secret Bases, Funfest Missions and Pokéathlon.
 
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Going by the initial versions and remakes:
DP - Contests and the Underground were revealed in August, a month before its release.
HGSS - Pokeathlon was revealed in July, two months before release.
BW - Musicals were revealed in July, two months before release.
ORAS - Contests were confirmed to return in August alongside the Mega Evolution scoop, three months before release.

So if we're getting features like those, I'd expect them to be revealed around September since the new features seem to be something they save for the tail end of the pre-release period.
 
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Yes, it is. However, Pokémon trainers have never really been portrayed as cheerleaders unless you count the Backer trainer class in the Unova games.
that's a pretty literal interpretation though. i would say that Pokemon makes is decently clear across all mediums (manga, anime, games) that trainers are there to motivate, push, and drive their Pokemon to go further; it's just harder to see in the games because, well, #justsilentprotagonistthings

see also:
 
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I don't mind the dancing, personally. I think it looks cute and fits in with the region. Needs more hula dancing and grass skirts.

I really hope we find out about gyms. I'd be totally disappointed if they don't have even something LIKE a gym this time around. Mostly because that means another generation where Dark type pokemon get the shaft when it comes to gym leaders. Though, if they don't have gyms, I'll be really curious how they handle using HMs outside of battle (if this means that HMs are a thing of the past PRAISE HELIX), as well as the "pokemon up to level ### will obey you!"
 
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So the complaints about GF ruining the formula of the main games boil down to disliking the dance moves? That's a bit dramatic. I agree that they look a bit awkward but for all we know they could be exclusive to Sun & Moon if they're indeed linked to Hawaiian culture.

As for what the next reveal might be, I hope it's Gym Leaders so we can stop with those alleged "leaks". Or anything but more new Pokemon really.
 
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It does look like a cell. And it might just the be low quality of the gif but I could also see it being sparkles. But it is moving so I don't know. If it is a cell, cell hunting sounds fun.
 
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